Category talk:Vocal (non-operatic)

I see that it is difficult to make good categories.

1) At the top of "Work genre" there are 4 "genres". But in the title bar of Vocal (non-operatic) I see "Category". I think at the top we shouldn't speak about genres but about categories!

2) The devision in Opera and Non-operatic seems a little forced. This shows also in the fact Opera has only entrees, non-operatic has a lot of subgenres. I propose first to rename Vocal (non-operatic) into Vocal and then make Opera (with all its entrees) a subgenre of Vocal.

3) At the moment there is no clear structure in Vocal (non-operatic): - Canon is grouped at sacred. Why? - There are a lot of "Other" subs, like "Other (sacred - SATB choir with accompaniment)" but SATB choir with accompaniment is not genre but an Instrumentation So I propose not to make different subsgenres for sacred and non-sacred vocal, but make a remark if needed behind the genre. The list of subgenres could be:

Aria Barbershop Canon (sacred) Canon (secular) Carol Cantata (sacred) Cantata (secular) Chanson Chant Folk song Hymn Lieder? Madrigal Mass Motet Oratorio Partsong ?? Requiem Song cycle?? Spiritual Other (sacred) Other (Secular)

As you see I left only 2 "Other" subgenres. From the General Information given to the music piece it will be clear from what time and in what style the piece was written and for what instrumantation

4 small remarks:

Villancico is a subgenre of Folksong

Madrigal is somtimes seen as subgenre of Partsong more info: http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php/Partsong http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php/Madrigal

Spiritual is not a clear name as I explained on the page "Spiritual". Therefor I propose to change it to Spiritual (Negro).

Japanese translation

Could you put Japanese translation into "Genre Criteria" section (incl. "Subgenres") using "#iflang:" like below?

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==Genre Criteria==
This genre includes all non-operatic vocal works.

[[Browse_by_genre|Browse all four main genres]]

=== Subgenres ===
[[:Category:Canon|Canon]]<br>
[[:Category:Carol|Carol]]<br>
[[:Category:Cantata (sacred)|Cantata (sacred)]]<br>
[[:Category:Chant|Chant]]<br>
[[:Category:Hymn|Hymn]]<br>
[[:Category:Mass|Mass]]<br>
[[:Category:Motet|Motet]]<br>
[[:Category:Oratorio|Oratorio]]<br>
[[:Category:Requiem|Requiem]]<br>
[[:Category:Spiritual|Spiritual]]<br>
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[[:Category:Aria|Aria]]<br>
[[:Category:Barbershop|Barbershop]]<br>
[[:Category:Cantata (secular)|Cantata (secular)]]<br>
[[:Category:Chanson|Chanson]]<br>
[[:Category:Folk song|Folk song]]<br>
[[:Category:Lieder|Lieder]]<br>
[[:Category:Madrigal|Madrigal]]<br>
[[:Category:Partsong|Partsong]]<br>
[[:Category:Song cycle|Song cycle]]<br>
[[:Category:Villancico|Villancico]]<br>
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[[:Category:Other (sacred - SATB choir with accompaniment)|Other (sacred - SATB choir with accompaniment)]]<br>
[[:Category:Other (sacred - SATB choir a capella)|Other (sacred - SATB choir a capella)]]<br>
[[:Category:Other (sacred - choir (other) with accompaniment)|Other (sacred - choir (other) with accompaniment)]]<br>
[[:Category:Other (sacred - choir (other) a capella)|Other (sacred - choir (other) a capella)]]<br>
[[:Category:Other (sacred - solo)|Other (sacred - solo)]]<br>
[[:Category:Other (secular - SATB choir with accompaniment)|Other (secular - SATB choir with accompaniment)]]<br>
[[:Category:Other (secular - SATB choir a capella)|Other (secular - SATB choir a capella)]]<br>
[[:Category:Other (secular - choir (other) with accompaniment)|Other (secular - choir (other) with accompaniment)]]<br>
[[:Category:Other (secular - choir (other) a capella)|Other (secular - choir (other) a capella)]]<br>
[[:Category:Other (secular - solo)|Other (secular - solo)]]
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== 分類の基準 ==
この分類はオペラ以外の声楽曲です。

[[曲種と編成で探す|その他の編成を探す]]

=== 下位分類 ===
[[:Category:Canon|カノン]]<br>
[[:Category:Carol|宗教的祝歌、キャロル]]<br>
[[:Category:Cantata (sacred)|教会カンタータ]]<br>
[[:Category:Chant|聖歌、チャント]]<br>
[[:Category:Hymn|讃美歌]]<br>
[[:Category:Mass|ミサ曲]]<br>
[[:Category:Motet|モテット]]<br>
[[:Category:Oratorio|オラトリオ]]<br>
[[:Category:Requiem|レクイエム]]<br>
[[:Category:Spiritual|霊歌、スピリチュアル]]<br>
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[[:Category:Aria|アリア]]<br>
[[:Category:Barbershop|バーバーショップミュージック]]<br>
[[:Category:Cantata (secular)|世俗カンタータ]]<br>
[[:Category:Chanson|シャンソン]]<br>
[[:Category:Folk song|民謡]]<br>
[[:Category:Lieder|ドイツリート]]<br>
[[:Category:Madrigal|マドリガル]]<br>
[[:Category:Partsong|パートソング]]<br>
[[:Category:Song cycle|連作歌曲]]<br>
[[:Category:Villancico|ヴィランチコ]]<br>
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[[:Category:Other (sacred - SATB choir with accompaniment)|その他の伴奏付き混声四部合唱宗教曲]]<br>
[[:Category:Other (sacred - SATB choir a capella)|その他の無伴奏混声四部合唱宗教曲]]<br>
[[:Category:Other (sacred - choir (other) with accompaniment)|その他の伴奏付き合唱宗教曲]]<br>
[[:Category:Other (sacred - choir (other) a capella)|その他の無伴奏合唱宗教曲]]<br>
[[:Category:Other (sacred - solo)|その他の宗教的独唱曲]]<br>
[[:Category:Other (secular - SATB choir with accompaniment)|その他の非宗教的伴奏付き混声四部合唱曲]]<br>
[[:Category:Other (secular - SATB choir a capella)|その他の非宗教的無伴奏混声四部合唱曲]]<br>
[[:Category:Other (secular - choir (other) with accompaniment)|その他の非宗教的伴奏付き合唱曲]]<br>
[[:Category:Other (secular - choir (other) a capella)|その他の非宗教的無伴奏合唱曲]]<br>
[[:Category:Other (secular - solo)|その他の非宗教的独唱曲]]

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