Talk:Boléro (Ravel, Maurice)

Piano transcription public domain?

I see that the piano transcription was done by "Roger Branga, a pseudonym of Lucien Garban (1877-1959)" and the publication itself was put out in 1929. Since this is the case, is this in the public domain? Perhaps I don't understand Canadian copyright law, but if it's artist lifetime + 50 that would put it at 2009 before the score becomes public domain. Let me know. Horndude77 22:45, 1 October 2006 (EDT)

Good call. I will remove the file (yes it is indeed only in the public domain starting in 2009). --Feldmahler 12:32, 2 October 2006 (EDT)
Then why are the other files, from the same French publisher, that are even later, in public domain? The public domain term is well known for work published in the country (Canada / US), but differs for works published abroad. For example, in France Ravel enters public domain in 2007 (life+70), but in the US the bolero would be in pubdom in 2023 (pub date +95) *. Is there a difference in Canadian copyright for works published abroad?--Peter 14:36, 2 October 2006 (EDT)
My point was that the transcription done by Lucien Garban is not in the public domain in Canada until 2009 since life+50=2009. The other pieces are done directly by Ravel so life+50=1987. You do raise an interesting point: what does Canadian copyright law say about works publish abroad? The edition of the Brahms symphonies on this site couldn't be published by Dover and can only be allowed here because of some published abroad clause: They were edited by Hans Gal who died in 1987 and published in 1926 in Germany (fails on pre-1923, life+70, and pub+95 in the US, and life+50 in Canada), but I believe in Germany they are in the public domain. See: - I believe it has to do with new editions of non-copyrighted works only being protected for 25 years. If there is something like this in France this score may very well be in the public domain. This project needs a lawyer to interpret all this :) Horndude77 21:56, 2 October 2006 (EDT)
Actually, works that are in the public domain in the originating country before 1996, and has not been registered with the US Copyright Office, are supposed to be in the public domain in the US.[1] The problem with the Brahms Symphonies edited by Hans Gal is probably because US has a special bilateral treaty with Germany signed in 1892.[2] (last paragraph)
On the other hand, Canada does not have a special treaty with Germany, and Canada also has a law (section 9(2)) that is basically the Berne Convention "Rule of the Shorter Term",[3] meaning that all works that are in the public domain in its originating country are also in the public domain in Canada, unless the country is also a NAFTA member (which Germany is obviously not).
Anyway, getting back to Bolero... if the edition is in the public domain in France, it would also be in Canada, but since it's not... :-) --Feldmahler 14:13, 3 October 2006 (EDT)


Estoy buscando un estudio de guitarra basado en el Bolero de Ravel. Les estaré muy agradecido si alguno cuenta con la partirura y la puede subir.

Saludos a todos.