Talk:Keyboard Sonata in F major, Hob.XVI:47 (Haydn, Joseph)

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Why is this sonata Non PD in EU? Editors don't have copyright lifetime+70, but only 25 years after publication (scientific editions)

As you probably know, C. F. Peters editions are not urtext. ClassicalComposers 22:53, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Yes, but sorry, which kind of copyright is relevant here? What did the editor do that could be more than a scientific edition?

Most likely added fingerings, messed with slurs, put pedal markings in- that sort of thing. So yes, it would be life+70, as those are hardly attempts to restore the piece to the author's original intent. KGill talk email 00:43, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Okay, but at least in german copyright law these additions have no threshold of originality. In the most they could be equated with scientific editions, which are 25 ys after first publishing. I an sure that practical editions, fingerings e.g. are not protected lifetime+70. They are rather musical handcraft than proprietary creations.

Yes, but they're still original to the editor, so they are protected. A fair number of Henle editions (for instance) may not actually fall under the urtext provision, since their editors add similar things. KGill talk email 20:33, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Okay, maybe this is the law situation in other countries. Here in germany, these extensions (expressly new performance indications and fingerings) are not copyrigthted, maximum 25years. I had a look on corresponding web sources. Even the reconstruction of missing parts ist 25y only. Seems it's the situation in germany only.

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