Talk:Pastels sonores (Verley, Albert)

After much research I still have yet to find any definite details about the composer or the publication other than the c.1916 date for the transcription, and this information I was only able to find thanks to Robert Orledge's article (American Music, Vol. 18, No. 1, (Spring, 2000), pp. 78-102), Satie & America. If anyone is able to provide more or more complete details I would be much interested to hear them. Daphnis 16:37, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

I looked him up on Google. I did find a date reference for 1867-1959 for an Albert Verley. The dates seem about right but it was a French genealogical listing so I can't really confirm it's the same character you're looking for. I also found an 1899 U.S. patent registration for a chemical process by an Albert Verley of Paris, who is probably the character in question. He apparently was a wealthy industrialist and Satie's only composition student. A little later, he handed Vladimir Golschmann a blank check which was used by Golschmann to found the Concerts Golschmann in Paris. Carolus 17:36, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

Hmm, certainly interesting details here. How did you determine he might have been a wealthy industrialist in addition to Satie's only composition student as well as the detail regarding his connection with Golschmann? I'm glad I was able to at least track down this piece. Apparently, and by some means, the personal sheet music collection of Ricardo Viñes made it into the University of Colorado's music library and they generously offered to copy much of it for me, including some of Rhené-Baton's piano works. Daphnis 23:46, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

There's a JSTOR article mentioning Verley being a wealthy industrialist who was Satie's only student that also came up on my Google search. He's also mentioned in a book about conductors that cam up in the same search as being the one who funded Vladimir Golschmann's series of concerts in the same era. I just entered "Albert Verley" (in quotes) for my Google search. There was apparently a company, Albert Verley & Co., involved in chemicals and perfumes. I don't really know whether or not the firm was named for that Albert Verley. I had no idea that the University of Colorado ended up with some of Viñes' personal collection. Any items form that will be a wonderful addition to IMSLP. Carolus 01:22, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

I see. I've tried contacting Prof. Robert Orledge (author of the article I mentioned and known Satie scholar) a few times via email, but the only one I have for him is a Liverpool address that keeps bouncing back. Hopefully this other contact I have will provide a valid email or address for him so I can get to the bottom of this. I've actually received quite a few scores from Viñes personal collection (most all engraved scores) and post them as I can. I also got a few rare pieces written by Viñes in hommage to various composers--it's in his composer's page if you haven't seen already. Daphnis 08:05, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

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There are four of Verley's orchestral works in the music library of the St. Louis Symphony (in manuscript copies).