Talk:Trübe Wolken, S.199 (Liszt, Franz)

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Wrong title?

As far as I'm aware, this piece is almost universally known as "Nuages Gris", not "Trübe Wolken". I have never heard of this version before, and when I came to the Liszt page looking for the piece, it took me quite a while to find it because of the unfamiliar title. I had to search for "Nuages Gris" as a phrase, and that finally led me to "Trübe Wolken".

So I'm just wondering if the page should be renamed accordingly. M.J.E. 13:16, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

The title has been changed as "...used by 1st edition/NLA/Grove". See history of the work page. Hobbypianist 13:25, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Oh. I hadn't seen that. But does this site have a specific policy on things like this? What is normally done if a piece was originally published under one title, but later on that title has become totally obscure and another has become universal? M.J.E. 13:32, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

According to Leslie Howard "Liszt used several languages to title his works, sometimes even using more than one language when publishing a single piece (e.g. 'Weihnachtsbaum' and 'L'Arbre de Noël')." So most of the time, one has to make a choice between e.g. a French title or a German one, depending on which one's more frequently used in authoritative sources. I agree that Nuages gris sounds more "sweet" and I know it by this name too, but "Nuages gris" is already mentioned as an alternative in the composer list, so it shouldn't be to difficult to find it there for someone who's only familiar with the French title. --Funper 13:46, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

For general policy / style guide see IMSLP:Score_submission_guide/Manual_of_Style#Language. I guess in this case we use still the original title as it appeared in the 1st edition. (If a piece is well known under another title a redirect can be created as I did with Nuages gris. Then it can be found easily via the sidebar search function.) If you need more info regarding page titles/specific cases you could ask P.Davydov, he's our chief librarian. Hobbypianist 13:55, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

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