User talk:Carolus/archive12



I got two emails with cellphone and permission. So tagged properly ;)...I'm telling you that the email is some people's most comfortable method of communication.
Archive...again. Thanks, -- Snailey Talk to Me Email me 02:53, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Union Musical

What date do you estimate for the plate number 15590? I estimate a date around 1923 or 4.-- Snailey Talk to Me Email me 19:21, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

There's no date/notice on the score. The composer died in 1910, meaning the work was ineligible for restoration under GATT/TRIPs (1996) because he was PD in the country of origin. Besides, this looks like something originally issued by Dotesio (before 1914), which was subsequently reissued by UME in the 1920s with a new plate number. Carolus 19:25, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
Makes sense. Thanks.-- Snailey Talk to Me Email me 19:32, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Re: Arrangements

Sorry about that! You're right - I've been adding the Arrangements section if I upload the arrangement at another page (like Iolanta by Tchaikovsky - again a transcription by Boije), but I omitted it if it was the only piece in the work page. Which doesn't make sense, of course, but for some reason that's what I did.

Thanks for pointing it out - that's what I'll do from now on :) And about the Boije collection, it's my pleasure - there's so much stuff up there that we don't have on IMSLP, and all of it for guitar, which is so fantastic for guitar players! (I'm an amateur guitar player myself.) Is it still so that the majority of pieces on IMSLP are piano pieces, or has that changed? (I think that in the beginning we had disproportionately more piano music than anything else, but I bet that has changed now) (or has it?). -jujimufu 22:09, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

We've had a lot of music for other instruments and ensembles added over the past year or so. Even if piano music is still the majority, it's now only slightly so. We're starting to have very strong archives for Cello, Violin, Orchestra, and now Guitar. We have a fairly respectable collection of vocal and full scores, too. Carolus 01:46, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
That's really fantastic! :) When I go back to London I will suggest to promote IMLSP to students via e-mails from the school (and the library) - and now with the orchestral parts, to orchestra players too. I will try and get some work done on the orchestral parts after I finish with the boije archive, although I will most probably take a big break after that, doing other stuff like keeping up the translations, to relax a bit. If I get to work in our school's library this year, however, everytime someone asks for a score I'll just say "Have you looked on IMSLP?" :P -jujimufu 11:21, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Re; Sibley publication dates

Thank you for your note about the Sibley publication dates - I had a feeling some of them were a little less than reliable when the publication date of a composition was listed before the composer was born. I will try to remember to put "n.d." unless I can find evidence somewhere of when something was published (e.g. some composer work lists or external biography sites). Forgive me if I don't always get around to it, as I usually snatch a few moments at lunch breaks and between patients to trawl around the Sibley collection and unearth gems, and often get distracted and don't have a chance to go back and do some more research.

There is a lot in Sibley that I would love to upload but I don't have enough information about either the composer or the work to make a half-intelligent attempt at a work page. Don't worry about a Sibley award - I am sure there are others who contribute as much as I do or more from that source. Save the award for those who unearth more biographical information about all the obscure composers!Aldona 11:06, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

My bad, not Carolus's...-- Snailey Talk to Me Email me 13:26, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Forum down

Sorry to bother you on your page, but is there any hope to see the forum working. I always get a SQL error -too many connections). Is there an alternative forum page or some info on the site?--Jean-Séb 07:02, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I know it's been down for a time. Leonard and Feldmahler are already working to restore the forums. Thanks, Carolus 01:53, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
Hi Carolus & Jean-Séb, I've decided to put up a message of acknowledgement, seeing as the presumed bot attack on the forums has been going on for rather too long. Hopefully will be fixed shortly. Regards, Philip Legge @ © talk 03:10, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks so much for doing that! Carolus 04:58, 10 November 2009 (UTC)


Hey, Carolus. I wanted to create a work page for Boccherini's famous Minuet in A major, but I don't know the G. number. All I know is that it is Op. 2 No. 6. Please help me. ClassicalComposers 01:37, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

String Quartet, G.164 = Op.2/6. However, I think the Minuet in A is actually from String Quintet No.11, G.275, which we already have a page for as you can see. Carolus 04:57, 10 November 2009 (UTC)


The color cover of the d'Ambrosio quartet lists him as editor (as well as publisher), so I did- is there some other criterion I should have followed? I'm confused... Eric 22:52, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

I didn't see that. I just noticed the "Editeur" (French for publisher) at the bottom. Thanks, Carolus 07:34, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

No, I think it's a case of my failing French leading me astray again. Sorry. Thank you. Eric 09:29, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

My Tenth Upload

Hi. My tenth file was uploaded yesterday. Click here to see it :) ClassicalComposers 23:17, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

You're doing just fine. Thanks for the great contributions! Carolus 07:34, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Johann Mattheson: Exemplarische Organisten-Probe

Dear Carolus, I've a problem with uploading that file. Hope to have an idea tomorrow. --Ralph Theo Misch 00:42, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

"Copyright Infringement" notice from a publisher

Hi Carolus,

I have received a note from a publisher alleging copyright infringement on one work (which was, in fact, blocked with [TB] already before the complaint), with another copyright claim on retypesets for a few pieces (I gather that the publisher claims Urtext protection on a retypeset of an original source, the source being specified on IMSLP).

There are also some other happenings here that relates to IMSLP, including the forum problem and some other (good, fortunately) news.

Hence, I'd like to call you tomorrow night if that is fine with you. The discussion won't be too long.

--Feldmahler 06:46, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Hi, Tomorrow night is fine. I should be here. Thanks, Carolus 07:32, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Lanterne Magique by Godard

Hi Carolus. Just saw your last modifications. Maybe you have not seen what I wrote on Perlner'User Talk. The Ditson edition is 1906. The reprint by Dover was published in New York, not Mineola, in 1977. Philipp's correct first name is Isidor, not Isidore. On a general note, what is the best way to place these comments: on the User talk or in the discussion page of the work. I am always afraid in the latter case that the comments get unnoticed. Kind regards --Jean-Séb 07:57, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. I knew it was taken from one of the Ditson Musicians' Library collections. I think the original is availble at Google Books, and am planning to obtain the entire collection as some point when I get some spare time. Carolus 08:09, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
Yes indeed, the two volumes are available there. Fabulous collection. I have a hard copy of the second volume only, plus the Dover reprint which selected only half of the works.--Jean-Séb 08:19, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
Just downloaded Vol.2. I didn't catch Vol.1 over there - I see you found the plate number though. I think I might go ahead and place the entire 2 volume set under Philipp's category as he was the compiler of the collection. It takes me a while to clean up the Google scores (logos, metatags, etc.), but it can be done. As you say, its really a very nice collection which we certainly should have here. Regards, Carolus 08:24, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
I can send you the first volume if you tell me how. Around 10Mo.--Jean-Séb 08:30, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for your message regarding FTP. Never used them, so it might be easier to wait until the forum are working again and I can send you a link by private mail.--Jean-Séb 07:28, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
OK, The forums are in fact working again, in case you haven't visited there. I'll check tomorrow as I am leaving shortly. Carolus 07:33, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
Hi Carolus. I sent you the file link yesterday by MP.--Jean-Séb 07:19, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
Hello, I already downloaded it - thanks. What did you use to compress the file? I don't have the particular extension here on my Mac, but I expect I can download one somewhere. Carolus 07:21, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
7-zip. It's free and good. See Hope it works also with Mac.--Jean-Séb 07:51, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
Thanks! I'll make an attempt tomorrow. Carolus

Hi Carolus. Could you have a look at my move requests on Hobbypianist UserTalk regarding misnomed Godard works. He didn't reply. Sorry to bother you but I do not know how to do those things.--Jean-Séb 07:35, 21 November 2009 (UTC)


J.S. has correctly pointed out that the location of Dover was nto always Mineola (see my talk)...we need to change a few to New York, pre circa 1980.-- Snailey Talk to Me Email me 16:05, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes, that's true. I think they moved to Mineola in the 1980s. I'll see if I can find out the exact date. Carolus 23:15, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
I believe that all of ours are Mineola, so I'll get to work...early issues should be easy.-- Snailey Talk to Me Email me 02:10, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

3 Reger works

Hello Carolus,
I'm not quite sure about the copyright status of following works: Andante and Rondo, Op.147, Heriode Overture and Movement of a Symphony in d: all have a valid cr notice: c 1974 by Breitkopf & Härtel, Wiesbaden. They appear in supplement vol. 37 of the Gesamtausgabe. I don't think they are permissible, are they? Hobbypianist 20:06, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Probably not, if this date marks their first publication. They would be protected in both Canada and in the USA. Carolus 05:26, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

I've seen that I was too overzealous... the Bläserserenade is already online (but with [TB]). You are the publication expert, can you confirm that the above mentioned 3 works and the Serenade for Winds have been published for the first time in the 1970s? Then please feel free to delete the Serenade. Otherwise, if I get your OK, I'm going to upload also the other works. Hobbypianist 07:43, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

I'll have to do a little research on those, but it shouldn't be too hard. I suspect they really weren't issued until the 70s, but one never knows for sure.... Carolus 07:48, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Clementi's Sonatinas

Dear Carolus, why are Clementi's Sonatinas, Op. 37 & 38 listed as 6 Sonatas, Op. 4? ClassicalComposers 04:52, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Actually, the Opp.37 and 38 are later version of the Op.4 Sonatas. Clementi published them without the optional flute or violin parts for piano alone and retitled them as "Sonatinas", splitting them into two opus numbers, 37 and 38. They are actually the same pieces as Op.4. However this could cause a lot of confusion, so thanks for bringing to my attention. I've now set up pages for Opp.37 and 38 and copied the files onto those pages from Op.4. Carolus 05:59, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

New template for first editions

Template:FE...have fun.-- Snailey Talk to Me Email me 16:24, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

You are truly the master of the template! Nice addition. Carolus 19:00, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 ;)-- Snailey Talk to Me Email me 03:27, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

My Recent Upload

Hi, Carolus. I recently uploaded a file, The Virtuoso's Challenge, WoO 1 (Cheng, Chung Hon Michael), and the work apparently does not show up on my composer page when it is viewed by other users. Please give me some help. ClassicalComposers 03:05, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm not Carolus, but I can still give an answer: this is completely normal, nothing to worry about. For those not logged in, all composer pages take a couple days (at most three) to update. In fact, by now (my answer) it should have appeared...Cheers, KGill talk email 20:59, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Minor retag

Please have a look at Hymn: Mit Fried und Freud ich fahr dahin (Resinarius, Balthasar) The rest of this set have been tagged V* for EU. Thanks. (no reply required)

Done. It's an urtext and legal in the EU. Carolus 06:07, 19 November 2009 (UTC)


when...? AND SCRIABIN-- Snailey Talk to Me Email me 01:40, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Maybe some Nielsen will come this weekend. Done with Dvorak yet? Carolus 02:38, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

All of the major stuff - Symphonies, Scherzo Capriccioso, Carnival Overture, Symphonic Poems, Slavonic Dances, Variations, Cello Concerto.-- Snailey Talk to Me Email me 03:32, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Plus Violin Concerto ;)-- Snailey Talk to Me Email me 03:44, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

"Bad" news ahead: finished (Nielsen. No Symphony No. 6????) Scriabin? (I must sound like a 4-year-old)-- Snailey Talk to Me Email me 23:23, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

No.6 is not in the OM collection oddly enough. It's free in the USA (listed in Kalmus). Have you checked through all the Brahms and Beethoven? I think most things are actually up, but there might be a few odd items missing. It helps to delete the files from the FTP when they've been uploaded to the wiki also. I can get Scriabin finished soon. Carolus 04:33, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

I was going to ask...Hungarian Dances. We need to do something, because the parts are going to make that page gigantic.-- Snailey Talk to Me Email me 04:35, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

But yes, Schicksalslied, Naenie, etc. are coming.-- Snailey Talk to Me Email me 04:36, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

That's going to be a very nasty page indeed. It's made worse by the fact that Brahms only orchestrated 1, 3, and 10 with the remaining ones being orchestrated by others (including Dvorak). I think a forum posting would be a good idea. Perhaps we can have a separate page for the orchestra versions and leave everything else on the page for the original version. Carolus 04:39, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

OK, I'll do that. I deleted the majority of the new stuff that I could think of off the top of my head (actually had to open the FTP client...shocking!). In a fit of brilliance, I appear also to have deleted Pomp and Circumstance No. 4 - no rush to get it back, but be aware...-- Snailey Talk to Me Email me 04:55, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

I'll check through when I add the next batch. I'm thinking of adding some Mozart as well. Carolus 04:56, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

And don't forget about poor Franz Joseph. Does OM have any Handel? I don't see cello parts for the water music, etc. I guess Breitkopf probably didn't release it as part of the GA, but Barenreiter's edition is probably PD....-- Snailey Talk to Me Email me 05:01, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Not much Handel. I already uploaded one of the Messiah editions, and will get to adding Prout's (which I also have a score for - 350 pages). I'm having a minion scan the Peters (Schering/Soldan) edition of the Messiah also. Yes, there's a fair amount of Haydn in the Breitkopf editions. Did you see that the Dvorak Op.72 you suggested is now available? Carolus 05:06, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

If you check the "Upcoming" section of the Featured scores, you'll find I see most things.-- Snailey Talk to Me Email me 15:44, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

P.S. Skip the Mozart symphonies and Piano Concertos for now...we don't need any duplicate parts until we have the ones that need doing.-- Snailey Talk to Me Email me 00:02, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

*poke* No pressure.-- Snailey Talk to Me Email me 03:41, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Gotta go now - I'll probably be uploading Scriabin later tonight. Files are looking clean. Carolus 04:01, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Sibelius should also be on the radar (after Haydn...).-- Snailey Talk to Me Email me 04:03, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

There are now 100 titles to be added in the FTP folder. Along with Scriabin, I added the 2 Rimsky symphonies, the remaining Smetana items, and Elgar's P & C No.4. That should keep everyone busy for a while. Carolus 06:07, 29 November 2009 (UTC). BTW, two-page parts are always understood to be a two-page spread (#2-3). Most orchestra librarians will make a copy in that format even if a silly publisher originally laid them out as a 1/2. Even if there's a nice long rest between the first and second page, it's always better for players not to have to turn or flip a page in performance. Carolus 06:12, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

OK, thanks. That saves a lot of time. Thank you!-- Snailey Talk to Me Email me 14:24, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Carolus, when you get some time, can you put the Strauss pieces up on the FTP? I know of some auditions coming up calling for several of those pieces. Daphnis 16:18, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

P.S. Done with Scriabin. We need to pick up the pace (Something like 10 scores per day) if we're going to finish by New Year's...and I can't upload during the week.-- Snailey Talk to Me Email me 21:40, 29 November 2009 (UTC)


Hi Carolus. I think your suggestion is a good one. Grove indicates that Perosi wrote 10 settings of the Tantrum Ergo alone, and as the text is (presumably) identical in each case, it makes sense to group them together — P.davydov 08:39, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Tantrum Ergo? I'd love to listen to that one! ;) --Leonard Vertighel 08:58, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes, that's the lesser-known version he wrote in a bad mood ...  :-) — P.davydov 09:05, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. I was going to start writing a Tantrum Ergo myself if we ended up with 15 versions of every generic Latin text. :-) Carolus 02:50, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Peters Urtext edition of Eberhardt Klemm

Hi Carolus,
I have a problem to understand what Urtext editions are PD and why my scan of Suite Bergamasque is Non-PD US. I found the En Blanc et Noir Urtext from Klemm and thought that my edition whould also be pd. The only difference I see is, that the pd edition claims to be Leipzig: Edition Peters (with no proof for it can be found on the pages - as far as I see) while mine is Frankfurt. I may have the chance to scan many more of the Klavierwerke from this edition, but don't want to waste the time if it's not pd.
Thanks for your help. --Piupianissimo 17:41, 22 November 2009 (CET)

I tagged it because I was pretty sure that 25 years would not have elapsed by the time for the restoration. I could be wrong.-- Snailey Talk to Me Email me 18:14, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

This edition was actually issued by Peters Leipzig - not Frankfurt (though Frankfurt reprinted Leipzig issues). As a GDR issue, it was not eligible for any protection in the USA at all. I'll look it over, at any rate. Carolus 05:24, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

3 Christmas Fantasias (Sartorio, Arnoldo)

Hi Carolus, if the transcriber is GUSTAV Groschwitz, I would like delete this contribution. Or would you please do it? Thanks and regards Ralph Theo Misch 01:44, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Deleted. Carolus 06:12, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for that. In future I'll investigate before I start to scan. Ralph Theo Misch 14:37, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Bohuslav Martinů

Dear Carolus, is it legal to establish a work page for Bohuslav Martinů? According to Wikipedia, he died on 28 August 1959, or about 50 years and 3 months ago. In the United States, any composer deceased before 23 November 1959 is eligible for public domain. ClassicalComposers 03:51, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

That US info is's life+70, but only for stuff published after 1978...and we already have stuff for Martinu that won't be released until next year.-- Snailey Talk to Me Email me 03:53, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Perlnerd is correct. Death date is a determination only for works first published after 1977 in the USA. Works first published before then fall under the publication plus (up to) 95 years rule. Carolus 04:53, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Les Troyens...again

I hold in my hands Kalmus Miniature scores Nos.515 and 516 (I'm in a music library). They are, respectively (Worldcat):

  1. The Conquest of Troy, Opera in Three Acts. Reprint of: Leipzig: Breitkopf, etc. 1906. [1]
  2. The Trojans at Carthage, Opera in Four Acts. I can't find a good version on Worldcat (which is strange given that the library from whose collection they are is listed on Worldcat), but I can tell that this is clearly a reprint of the Choudens 1863.

Problem: I have no scanner. Let's get to work tracking these down. I'm double-posting on Daphnis's page for this reason.-- Snailey Talk to Me Email me 20:38, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

The Choudens score of Les Troyens a Carthage was issued in 1885, plate A.C. 6030. 318 pages total. Choudens also issued La Prise de Troie in 1899, plate A.C. 11222 (with some numbers having earlier plate numbers as they had been issued previously as extracts). 265 pages. What are the page-counts of the scores you have? Carolus 20:51, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Prise de Troie: #4-265
Les Troyens a Cartahge: #1-318.
The Prise de Troie is clearly German, translation and all. Troyens a Carthage looks like a French issue of some sort.-- Snailey Talk to Me Email me 20:54, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Interesting. From your description, it would appear that La Prise de Troie was intended for inclusion in the Malherbe-Weingartner complete works, but never made it into the actual series. It's entirely possible that Breitkopf actually engraved it - though it ended up being issued only by Choudens. Can you check those scores out? Carolus 20:58, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

I can't scan them...can't you get them through interlibrary loan?-- Snailey Talk to Me Email me 20:59, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

OK, I'll get started on tracking them via interlibrary loan or via the used score places. The Kalmus series numbers are very helpful as we now know what they reprinted. Carolus 21:01, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Great, thanks!-- Snailey Talk to Me Email me 21:10, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Let me know if you have difficulties as I'm sure I could work some magic, although do try because I'm peering out behind a mountain of scores to be scanned, as Perlnerd knows all too well. Daphnis 21:33, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

On my talk, you did mean Nos. 515 and 516, right?-- Snailey Talk to Me Email me 23:46, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I did. Just typed the wrong numbers. Carolus 23:47, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

OK, good. Almost had a heart attack...-- Snailey Talk to Me Email me 23:50, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

I'll let you know when they arrive - and what kind of condition the actual printing is in. (The printing quality is quite variable on the Kalmus series - from excellent to abominable.) Carolus 23:53, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Bach Suites

Hi Carolus. I just noticed you reverted some of the changes I made earlier. Wouldn't we normally usee "Complete score" here rather than "Orchestral score", or am I missing something? (which is quite possible) — P.davydov 22:13, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

We've been using "Orchestral score" for a lot of things where parts and various arrangements are present, but "Complete score" is fine too. I didn't realize I was reverting anything, just thought I had mistakenly put in the Heygel scores as "Complete score" then changed the other BGA scores to make them all match. If you really prefer Complete score I'll change them back. 06:00, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
This brings up a good point in that we really should agree upon a standardization of score descriptions. Maybe Perlnerd (are you watching?) can create a basic page where such nomenclature can be described and agreed upon. This is one of those difficult things to maintain in public-wiki scenarios but should be considered nonetheless. Daphnis 06:07, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

My pleasure: IMSLP:Score submission guide/File Descriptions. Feel free to destroy it completely; it's just a draft.-- Snailey Talk to Me Email me 16:45, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Good idea. Having a definition of the specific terminology employed would be very helpful to new contributors and improve consistency, which is a worthy goal. BTW, do you happen to know if Alyabyev orchestrated his own song Solovyei - or was it orchestrated by someone else? Carolus 06:13, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Carolus, no idea, sorry. Daphnis 14:26, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Homerdundas has replied with Glinka. Problem solved.-- Snailey Talk to Me Email me 16:54, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Taras Bulba (Janáček, Leoš)

Carolus, can't we go ahead and remove the gargantuan-sized first upload of this since yours is 1.) clearer and 2.) vastly smaller and 3.) the same edition?? Daphnis 15:06, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Absolutely. The monster file (over 100MB) is really useless for anyone with dialup - though it's somewhat of a moot point as the work is possibly protected in the USA. Carolus 23:37, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Done. Daphnis 23:43, 27 November 2009 (UTC)


Take a look here: Kleine geistliche Konzerte (Schütz, Heinrich). I think that the preface (1989 OR 1966 death dates, unfortunately) pulls it back into N/N/N, but I'm not sure.-- Snailey Talk to Me Email me 16:27, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Preface is definitely not allowed. The score itself might be OK provided there was no renewal. Carolus 23:40, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

No renewal for the first two, but the third has one...Ctesibius will upload a new version with no preface.-- Snailey Talk to Me Email me 23:53, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

You always have to check with Baerenreiter on anything issued before 1964. They managed to renew some but not others. No discernable pattern, rhyme or reason either. Carolus 23:56, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Lieder und Gesänge (Mendelssohn, Felix)

Should this page just be left as it is? It can't be split up because there aren't page breaks between different pieces- unless it's found out that they go in order with breaks between opera, in which case maybe it can. It can't really be moved to be under Hermann's page because it's just transcriptions. What do you think? (sorry if this was already discussed/decided somewhere) KGill talk email 01:00, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

It actually could be moved to Hermann's page because there's plenty of precedent here for having transcriptions listed among works (take a look at the Liszt section for an example). In fact, that's arguably the best solution as it seems a bit pointless to have the page under Medelssohn consisting of the transcriptions only when the non-transcription collection has been split up already. I'd recommend asking P. davydov about it also. Carolus 07:07, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
Davydov has agreed; therefore, it is done. Thanks! KGill talk email 00:11, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Catalogue De La Musique Imprimee Avant 1800 and Judy Hirsch

It's time for the monthly pesterances.-- Snailey Talk to Me Email me 03:12, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Duly noted. Carolus 07:07, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

G. Henle Urtext Editions

Hi, Carolus. I have a few volumes of G. Henle urtexts, and wonder it is legal to upload scans of them. They were published in 2007. According to the public domain page, it should be legal?ClassicalComposers 04:07, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

The short answer is no. While a number of Henle urtext editions may expire up to 30 years after publication in the EU, Henle has been very good at observing all of the notice requirements of US law before 1989, which means their issues will be subject to the [TB] tag until there is an actual case decided in US court about the status of critical editions. In Henle's case, the issue is even more complicated as the editions they publish often contain added editorial material like fingerings and articulations which are original to the credited editor and thus not subject to the urtext limitation of publication-plus-30 years, but fall under the life-plus-70 rule. There's plenty of things out there to be scanned that do not present these possible legal problems, so I recommend concentrating on those for the time being. Carolus 06:37, 30 November 2009 (UTC)