User talk:Devine

Stoll: 4 Songs

Dear Devine,

I assume that you are the same Devine who is the original publisher the above work. If so, we recommend that you select a version of the creative commons license to employ as it is not possible to inject a work of this nature into the public domain in many countries without a major legal production. We recommend you employ the non-commercial version - Creative Commons Attribution Non-commercial 3.0 as this allows people to freely download the work and use it privately but does not allow the folks who copy things from this site and sell them on Ebay without paying you, the copyright owner. I already changed the license from public domain to the one mentioned above. The closest thing to public domain in the Creative Commons series is the plain-vanilla Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 whose only requirement is that all of the contributors (composers, librettists, etc.) be credited (attribution). Thanks, Carolus 03:35, 9 April 2011 (UTC) (IMSLP Copyright Admin)

Another issue has to do with texts of Ruth Schaumann (1899-1975) and any other author who died less than 50 years ago whose work was set by Otto Stoll. I assume, unless we hear to the contrary from you, that he had permission from the authors to set their texts, and to publish and distribute his settings incorporating them. This would be another reason to employ the non-commercial version of the license, by the way. While it is entirely possible that the permission received way back in time included permission to distribute at no charge, that is not necessarily always the case. There is also the issue of how Ruth Schaumann's heirs would react to one of the Ebay sellers offering copies of Stoll's settings of her text for sale on their DVD of 100,000 Classical Art Songs for only $10 USD. Using the nc version at least allows to to complain to Ebay if someone does that. Carolus 00:35, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

public domain??

I couldn't use your recommendation about Creative Commons Attribution Non-commercial 3.0; the page said I have to use public domain. The works are only published privately in small numbers. There are no children alive of the composer, only two grandchildren. I am one of them. Wolfgang Devine (nee Maas; my mother was Otto Stolls daughter).

Actually, under the laws of many countries, these works cannot be public domain since the author died within the term of copyright protection. If you're uploading a scan, the system here will not allow you to select a CC license initially. You have to change it after the fact. The only thing the simple Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 requires is that the composer be credited. So, it's basically public domain (no restrictions whatever on usage) with the simple requirement that whoever uses the work should credit Stoll as the composer. Also, since making things available at this site fits the definition of general publication in most locales, would you prefer we use "Wolfgang Devine" for the publisher (and editor) name, "Wolfgang Maas", or something else? For now, I am putting in "Wolfgang Devine" as editor and "Melbourne" Devine, <year>" as publisher. We can change this to read as you wish later very easily. Thanks, Carolus 00:21, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Carolus, "Wolfgang Devine" is fine. "Melbourne" is fine, except, that I'm now located in Sydney. In new scans I include the mailing address. Wolfgang Devine, 13 April 2011,

If you like, we can even do a direct "mail-to" link so that anyone interested in performing your (or Stoll's) work can e-mail you about the particulars. Take a look at the contemporary composer Cyril Plante to see how it looks and works. Carolus 04:37, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Good idea, important would be that in RE: we have a big "W O L F G A N G" added, as my wife gets some fifty email a day and I won't find anything if not marked properly. If that's not possible, it might not work. Wolfgang, 13.04.2011

Not really possible, unfortunately. Setting up a separate e-mail account for yourself at a free place like yahoo or gmail would be the only way to practically arrange it so that all incoming messages were just for the music stuff. BTW, I noticed that some of Otto Stoll's songs had texts by folks like Hermann Hesse and others who are not free most places. Are these cleared? How about the author of your own, Eli, Eli song? Carolus 04:49, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Have to look into an own email account. Never thought about checking the rights of the poets, neither did my grandfather. As we never did anything more than 'for friends' we probably didn't need to. Give me a hint how to proceed, and i will try to check. Wolfgang 13.04.2011

Generally, the rule is that you have to secure permission from the poets themselves or their estates. Under USA law, such permission should be secured in writing before a setting can be made (legally). In other countries, one can set a poem to music without having advance permission, but permission has to be obtained if anything is going to be published for distributed. Making something available here constitutes publication under most copyright laws around the world (which is why you see your name listed in the publisher field). In light of what you just wrote here, I will have to re-tag all of the Stoll items with words by people who died after 1960 (Canada has a life-plus-50 term) until you get a response from the Hesse estates, et al. Be sure to mention that you are not selling anything at all, but making it available for free. I suspect their one of their concerns might have to do with bringing the poetry under a Creative Commons license, which is an understandable concern. If they gave permission for free distribution of the words as embodied in the songs, we would be willing to add a notice the the words are not covered by the CC license but used by permission. Carolus 05:09, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, I have some work to do! Wolfgang 13.04.2011

Drop a note on my talk page when you get a response. Things are retagged and not available for download (which will make them less potentially annoyed when you seek permissions). Carolus 05:44, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

From Suhrkamp RE Hermann Hesse: Sehr geehrter Herr Devine, haben Sie vielen Dank für Ihren freundlichen Brief und Ihr Interesse an Hermann Hesse. Wir wären prinzipiell bereit, eine Vertonungsgenehmigung zu erteilen. Hierzu müssen jedoch die Erben von Hermann Hesse zustimmen. Außerdem wird eine Pauschalgebühr fällig, die auch von der Petrucci Music Library bezahlt werden könnte. Hierzu noch eine Frage: Könnte Petrucci auch einen Vertrag hierzu aufsetzen? Mit den besten Grüßen,Richard Stoiber Rights & Foreign Rights / Rechte und Lizenzen Phone: +49 30 740744 231 Fax: +49 30 740744 239 Email: stoiber@suhrkamp.de Is there any such possibility of a contract? I've got the all clear from Albert Steffen Stiftung in Dornach, Switzerland From: Info Albert Steffen-Stiftung [info@albert-steffen.ch] Sent: Monday, 18 April 2011 11:28 PM To: Lisa Devine Subject: Re: W O L F G A N G Rechte am Werk, Lied-Veröffentlichung Sehr geehrter Herr Devine, mit der Veröffentlichung der genannten Gedichte im Rahmen der Komposition Ihres Grossvaters sind wir einverstanden, bitten aber zu gegebener Zeit um ein Belegexemplar. Auf ein Honorar verzichten wir. Für die Albert Steffen-Stiftung Dr. Heinz Matile, Präsident Otherwise no results yet. Wolfgang

Dear Wolfgang, My German in nicht so gut, but am I to understand the Hesse rights administration want's a contract with IMSLP? You might also mention that we now have a Performance Restricted license available, which allows copies to be distributed for free but no performances (other than narrowly-defined non-commercial performances) without going through the usual channels. If it is OK with you, I might go ahead and e-mail the Hesse folks and make mention of this. BTW, since the whole issue of performance rights seems to be cropping up a lot, are you and Otto Stoll both registered with a performance rights society? I can't remember the name of the Australian version right now, but presumably that's where you should go. We've got a performance restricted license available now, which we are looking over to see that it will mesh with what is required to collect for live and broadcast performances of fully copyrighted original works. Thanks, Carolus 03:03, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Sorry picture on wrong place

Dear 'supervisor', I tried to get the picture in, but could not get it into the right place. Is there a place for biographical notes or can they only be given through a link to wiki...? Wolfgang Devine