User talk:Morel



Hello, I beg you for help. Very much needed musical notes: Ignaz Moscheles, opus 107 (processing scales). I live in Ukraine, here they never get it, and the Internet can not be found. Please help, it is necessary for research work. Thank you. Here is my mail:

Dear Contributor,

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Good luck, Peter talk 11:40, 11 September 2007 (EDT) ~~~~

Hi. The brackets (< >) should not be included :) Keep up! --Peter talk 12:55, 12 September 2007 (EDT)

Emilia (Montero, José Angel)

This file has been deleted because it is copyrighted. The editors are still alive. --Peter talk 09:12, 8 October 2007 (EDT)

Grand Sonata in F minor for Piano 4-Hands, Op.178

This is a 1992 edition. Even though it is an urtext edition, we cannot post any from after 1983 (1987 if produced in Italy, 1989 for Russia). We'll have to delete this, sorry to say. Carolus 16:31, 6 July 2008 (EDT)

file submission

Dear Morel, thanks for your generous scans and submissions!. You can add multiple files at once if you click on "add multiple files to this page". This will save you work and will look nicer. Can I also ask you to include years of births and death to editors or arrangers? You'll find almost all at Musicsack. That will save reviewers a little time. Thanks, Peter talk 12:23, 18 September 2008 (EDT)

Publisher links

Thanks for all of this great music!!!! Could you add links for the publishers as such: [[Publisher|Imprint]]? You can find a list on my user page, and in Category:Music Publishers.-- Snailey Yell at me Email me 12:28, 15 April 2009 (EDT)

Thanks!-- Snailey Yell at me Email me 12:19, 16 April 2009 (EDT)

Dubois Poemes Virgiliens

Hi Morel, thanks for these recent Dubois pieces. I can't make out the inscription in French on the first piece (Tityre) in the upper-left corner. Would you be able to transcribe these on the talk page for this piece, maybe list inscriptions for each one by title? Thanks again. Daphnis 09:07, 16 April 2009 (EDT)

Debussy Nocturnes

Dear Morel,
first of all thanks a lot for your great uploads. Unfortunately, I had to delete the 4 hand transcription of the Nocturnes made by Gustave Samazeuilh (1877-1967). Since he died less than 50 years ago this transcr. is not public domain in Canada. Regards, Hobbypianist 10:48, 16 May 2009 (EDT)

IMSLP standards

Hi Morel, thanks for your recent submissions. I am noticing a trend, however, with your uploads that I'd like to point out to minimize any "clean up" on our part. Since you've been around for a while you must have noticed the changes we make to your submissions, namely the following:

1.) Whenever possible and where printed, new works should always have the opus number in their title like the following: Mazurka, Op.13 (note the spacing). This was the case with your Messanger pieces that I've corrected.

2.) We are using international standards and English for info. about pieces, this means keys (E-flat Major, D Minor) and abbreviations of cardinal numbers (No.1, not N°1).

There may be others but these two are what I immediately noticed. Again, thanks for all your submissions, I certainly appreciate the French attention, just in the future let us only come by and tag your pieces and not fix them :) Daphnis 08:17, 18 May 2009 (EDT)

I'm sorry and I'll try to do my best in the future, to improve myself and not to commit these faults anymore. --Morel 08:49, 18 May 2009 (EDT)

color to monocrome conversion

Hi Morel, first of all I want to thank you for your work.
But as far as I can see your scans could look much better. It seems to me like you do something wrong in the conversion of your scans to monocrome. Your scans look frayed, like they have been converted using some kind of dithering. If you really scan in color and convert that way you should definitely try to take the conversion without any dithering. I could swear the results would be fantastic. If you have some problems you could also upload a pdf with the original color scans if you like and I try to help you with the conversion. -- Piupianissimo 15:48, 18 May 2009 (CET) Hello Piupianissimo, I don't understand what I'm doing wrong with my scans. I tell you exactly what I do : I scan the pages in Tiff with CCITT Fax 4 compression, grayscale and resolution 400 dpi. Then I use Photoshop to make PDF files and that's all what I do. Can you tell me what I'm doing wrong and what I must do to improve my scans ? I don't know what is a conversion ? Thanks in advance for your help ! --Morel 16:08, 29 May 2009 (EDT)
Hi Morel, let's try to find out what happens to your scans.
First of all you should keep in mind that the real scans are color. So when you scan in grayscale you get the first conversion (i.e. a light red and a light yellow whould look the same light gray). Now you wrote, that you save your scans as CCITT Fax 4 compressed tiff. This is the correct final format, but Fax 4 compression is no longer geayscale but monocrome. So here you get the second - and most significant - conversion from gray to only black and white pixels. This is the conversion I was talking about. There are different ways to convert from grayscale to monocrome. The easyest (and best for our scores) is to use a certain level of gray and convert every pixel that is darker to black and that is lighter to white. The other way is called dithering - here you will get some kind of pixel raster as result of an area of originally gray pixels. This can be nice if you convert a picture, but with scores or text you should never use this. Perhaps your scanner software offers some parameter where you can swich to the other conversion type.
If not I give you a little cookbook:
1. scan in color (300dpi whould be good here) and save the scans as jpg with no or only little compression,
2. open your color scans in Photoshop (the Mercedes for this kind of work) and resize it to 600dpi - 200% of the original size (you can even correct the rotation when you have color scans - sometimes one degree or less will have a big effect here),
3. when rotation and size (600dpi, don't use less please!!!) is ok, you can change from color to monocrome - you will see the options in Photoshop - and save the resulting page in tiff CCITT Fax 4 compression. These pages should look great.
Of course you could further improve these results when you clean your monocrome pages from dust, dirt or pencil remarks.
Hope I could help you and look forward for your results! -- Piupianissimo talk 17:51, 11 June 2009 (CET)
Hi Piupianissimo, I try to use your "cookbook" in vain... Sorry but it was too complicate for me ! Step 1 & 2 were successful but in step 3 I cannot change from color to monocrome, it was only possible to change to grayscale and after from grayscale to monocrome. It was also impossible to save the resulting page in tiff CCITT Fax 4 compression because the file was much too big (29,4 Mb !). Is it possible and better for me to scan in Black & white instead of grayscale ? --Morel 09:09, 15 June 2009 (EDT)
Hi again Morel,
I'm so sorry, perhaps you should use IrfanView. It's freeware and does the change to monocrome as well as the resizing very well. Of course you can also scan in monocrome directly. That's what I always do. But as I'm not quite shure about what your scanners software does I thought it's a better idea to start with color - that can't be wrong. When you scan in monocrome you should at least use 600dpi (I use 1200dpi resolution and a filer that cleans the page from dust and scale down to 600dpi). Have a look at your scans in full zoom, there should be sharp edges (at least if the source score is in good condition). Good luck and please tell me about your results (I keep my fingers crossed). -- Piupianissimo talk 22:14, 15 June 2009 (CET)
Hi Piupianissimo, Thank you for your advice. I have tryed Irfanview and I've made a scan in monocrome (Black & white) 600 dpi. Can you tell me if it is better than before. The score is La montagne enchantée (Messager, André). The original is old (1897) and the paper is very "yellow"". I'm waiting for your advice ! --Morel 01:50, 16 June 2009 (EDT)
Hi Morel,
I'm so sorry that I didn't answer you earlier. Of course this scan is much better. I rated it a 9 (twice) as there are only two things you could (or should) further improve. The main thing is the skew, you should always try to avoid this, best already in the scanning process. Another possibility is to rotate the scan to correct it (Irfanview offers this as "Custom/Fine Rotation") - sometimes it's just 1 degree or even less, that is clearly visible. The other point is the dust and dirt pixels. You can have a look here to see how I manage this problem. Hope you go on with your fine scans. -- Piupianissimo talk 10:20, 31 July 2009 (CET)

Tchaikovsky Romeo & Juliet

Hello Morel. Thank you for posting Klindworth's arrangement of Tchaikovsky's Romeo and Juliet. This is actually the 3rd and final version of the overture (Sibley gives the wrong information on their site), but I've altered our page accordingly. Regards — P.davydov 07:13, 23 May 2009 (EDT)

Debussy's string quartet (4 hands arrangement)

Hello Morel!

Thank you for scanning and uploading the 4 hands version of Debussy's string quartet.

I wanted to let you know that:

1) you missed pp. 9 and 10 of the score in your scanning;

2) you scanned p. 13 twice;

3) sometimes the quality of the scanned page is very poor, especially in the corners.

Do you think you can fix those problems? It would be wonderful!

Thank you!

Mortara talk Hello Mortara. I have added pp. 9 and 10 and I have removed p. 13. I'm sorry but I don't have enough time to rescann all the score. --Morel 12:26, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Hello Morel! Thank you for your help anyway! This score is really impossible to find elsewhere and now it is accessible in its entirety. Mortara talk

BSB Scans

Hi Morel, Can you delete the page with the ridiculous, bogus copyright claim on these before posting? If it's a problem, I can take care of it here. Thanks, Carolus

Hahn uploads

Dear Morel, thanks for these Hahn contributions, however please take care and do some research on your part to ensure the correct work pages are created. Work pages for parent works should only be created and not those for movements thereof, for example with "Les rêveries du Prince Églantine". This is a movement, as you noted in the Misc. Comments., of his larger work Le rossignol éperdu. Daphnis 17:20, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Hello Daphnis, "La Nativité" is also a part of "Le Rossignol éperdu" (n°39) and, like "Les rêveries du Prince Eglantine", was edited before "Le Rossignol éperdu". The problem is that this 2 piano pieces are in the "List of compositions by Reynaldo Hahn". It's why I have created pages for them. I'm sorry and will try to improve myself in the future !--Morel 17:51, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
Morel, this is understandable. I don't fully trust the "List of compositions" unless I know it's source, and when in doubt I always consult Grove online. Do you have access to this? Daphnis 17:53, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

No and I don't know what "Grove online" is and what it is for. I'm sorry. My english is very bad... I'm french... If you think I have done something wrong, I apologise and perhaps is it better that I stop my contributions ? Just tell me. --Morel 18:16, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Morel, no please don't stop contributing. Just do your best to sort works into their proper pages, and I'll double-check (at least the French composers) with Grove etc. Daphnis 18:24, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Hello Morel, On "Les rêveries du Prince Églantine", which is No.16 of Le Rossignol Éperdu, you uploaded a second file earlier today. Did you intend to replace the file you originally uploaded? We now have two scans of this work, both uploaded by you, so I am not sure if you wished to replace the earlier scan or if you wanted there to be an additional scan. Please advise. BTW, I moved it to the main page and placed it at the bottom. Thanks, Carolus 00:07, 7 November 2009 (UTC) (IMSLP Copyright Admin) Hello Carolus, I think it's better to replace the older file with the new one which is of better quality... but I don't know how to do that. Can you please do this for me ? Thanks in advance. --Morel 08:30, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Sibley's publication dating

They are very unreliable for dates, especially if you see a date ending in "0", which I am told are very rough estimates. Carolus 07:25, 8 December 2009 (UTC) I'm sorry but I don't understand what you are talking about ? --Morel 07:39, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Hello, Sibley Library's listing of publication date is frequently very inaccurate. This is especially true if you see a date ending in "0" (1890, 1910, etc.). They told me that such dates in their system are only rough estimates. Unless you actually see the date printed on the scanned music, it's best to use "n.d." for Sibley items, unless they are specific (1887, for example). Since you've been doing such a great job of putting the Sibley collection up here, I thought you might like to know - since I actually talked with the librarian there about their dating of scores. Russian issues in particular are often very inaccurate. Sorry I did not make myself clearer before. Regards, Carolus 22:55, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Sibley uploads

Hi Morel, thanks for all these uploads from Sibley centering around piano 4 hands. From now on if you please could, be as diligent as possible about collecting missing information (such as dates for transcribers here on the site, plate numbers, etc.) as well as maintaining the type of formatting we use here. Since you've done so many, adding this complete information would make the copyright reviewers' jobs easier if all they had to do was come along and tag the files, not perform any clean up work. Thanks again. Daphnis 06:30, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Spohr piano sonata op. 125

Odd that Sibley has a piano sonata four-hands by Spohr; I suspect it's an arrangement of his solo piano sonata with the same opus number and in the same key (and both start with an Allegro moderato), whether by the composer or someone else I don't know. Eric 19:13, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Sibley - new fields

Great job uploading! You may have noticed, but there are a few new fields which haven't made their way onto the file upload form yet...thus


Please use these, especially arranger. Thanks!-- Snailey Talk to Me Email me 18:44, 3 April 2010 (UTC)


Hi Morel, Sorry - had to delete the Labey arrangement because he lived all the way until 1968, which means that arrangement is under copyright in Canada. Thanks for all the lovely Sibley uploads. Carolus 07:30, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Arrangements by Alceo Toni (1884-1969)

Hi Morel, since he died less than 50 years ago his arrangements for piano 4-hands can not be uploaded, unfortunately. Hobbypianist 20:23, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Le Bal, Op.14 (Rubinstein, Anton) and 3 Morceaux, Op.16 (Rubinstein, Anton)

Hello Morel,

please don't get me wrong, but I think that the Tarantelle and the Valse on these entries does not belong to Anton Rubinstein, but to Nicolas Rubinstein. It would be great if you could place them right as there has been no Nicholas Rubinstein entry until now. Many thanks to your post!!!

Best wishes


Replacing files

Hello Morel,

You have to click on the file number on the work page to replace a file. I see you uploaded the new version on the work page separately, so just a reminder for next time. Regards, Carolus 05:19, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Sibley Uploads

Dear Morel,

Please use the special "Sibley" link to upload files. If you don't, they end up not being included in the list of files and someone might end up duplicating it. OK - I see you had to split a file. In any case, be sure to use the {{SibleyScan|1802/#####}} and {{SibleyProject}} templates. Thanks, Carolus 02:26, 27 August 2011 (UTC)


Can't upload to the main server because it is in Canada, where Stravinsky is still under copyright. Had to delete your lovely Sibley upload - sorry. Carolus 05:29, 7 November 2011 (UTC)


Thank you so much for taking the time to do these correctly! It saves me much time in the copyright tagging. Most appreciated - not to mention what an incredible collection of piano duet music we have thanks to you! Carolus 05:20, 24 November 2011 (UTC)


I'm a bit confused and you may have had good reason- but the Oesterle arrangement of the Reissiger work is a piano reduction of the overture to an opera, hence a reduction of an orchestral work, so an arrangement, not just an edition, and needed LinkArr, not just LinkEd. Or am I confused? Thanks - Eric 04:00, 25 November 2011 (UTC) (I am guessing I am confused since Carolus signed off on it above... but am still not sure why)

I think that, in these Collections of German overtures for piano four hands, Oesterle is always mentionned as the editor and "fingerer" (never as a transcriber) and for some of the overtures, the name of the transcriber is mentionned (for example the overture of Tannhaüser is an arrangement from Hans von Bülow). I don't know why the name of the transcriber is not mentionned for all the overtures. So, in the cases where there were no mention of a transcriber I only give the name of Oesterle as an editor. I'm not sure to have been very clear ? --Morel 16:36, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

That is very clear, thank you. I think it may be good to put in Arranger=Unknown in some such cases, though not everyone might agree with me - I am not sure if I remember what the policy is, I apologize. And I now remember those collections and Oesterle's participation, and it makes sense... Thanks again Eric 17:28, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Gliere 12 Morceaux Op.48

Hallo Morel, Seems you lost a page when you consolidated this sibley scan (left out the multiple covers): Unfortunately a user noted this only on the somewhat hidden talk page.,_Op.48_(Glière,_Reinhold) missing: from No. 3 Esquisse page 7. I would fix this myself, but my elderly acrobat 5 cannot handle the pdfA-mode files from sibley, and just replacing the file with the sibley original would include all the multiple covers. --Kalliwoda 15:17, 29 July 2012 (EDT) Sorry for this mistake ! I've just added the missing page ! --Morel 16:47, 29 July 2012 (EDT)