User talk:Morel

Free public domain sheet music from IMSLP / Petrucci Music Library

Hi. The brackets (< >) should not be included :) Keep up! --Peter _talk 12:55, 12 September 2007 (EDT)

Contents 1 Emilia (Montero, José Angel) 2 Grand Sonata in F minor for Piano 4-Hands, Op.178 3 file submission 4 Publisher links 5 Dubois Poemes Virgiliens 6 Debussy Nocturnes 7 IMSLP standards 8 color to monocrome conversion 9 Tchaikovsky Romeo & Juliet 10 Debussy's string quartet (4 hands arrangement) 11 BSB Scans 12 Hahn uploads

Emilia (Montero, José Angel)

This file has been deleted because it is copyrighted. The editors are still alive. --Peter _talk 09:12, 8 October 2007 (EDT)

Grand Sonata in F minor for Piano 4-Hands, Op.178

This is a 1992 edition. Even though it is an urtext edition, we cannot post any from after 1983 (1987 if produced in Italy, 1989 for Russia). We'll have to delete this, sorry to say. Carolus 16:31, 6 July 2008 (EDT)

file submission

Dear Morel, thanks for your generous scans and submissions!. You can add multiple files at once if you click on "add multiple files to this page". This will save you work and will look nicer. Can I also ask you to include years of births and death to editors or arrangers? You'll find almost all at Musicsack. That will save reviewers a little time. Thanks, Peter _talk 12:23, 18 September 2008 (EDT)

Publisher links

Thanks for all of this great music!!!! Could you add links for the publishers as such: [[Publisher|Imprint]]? You can find a list on my user page, and in Category:Music Publishers.-- Snailey _{Yell at me Email me} 12:28, 15 April 2009 (EDT)

Thanks!-- Snailey _{Yell at me Email me} 12:19, 16 April 2009 (EDT)

Dubois Poemes Virgiliens

Hi Morel, thanks for these recent Dubois pieces. I can't make out the inscription in French on the first piece (Tityre) in the upper-left corner. Would you be able to transcribe these on the talk page for this piece, maybe list inscriptions for each one by title? Thanks again. Daphnis 09:07, 16 April 2009 (EDT)

Debussy Nocturnes

Dear Morel,
first of all thanks a lot for your great uploads. Unfortunately, I had to delete the 4 hand transcription of the Nocturnes made by Gustave Samazeuilh (1877-1967). Since he died less than 50 years ago this transcr. is not public domain in Canada. Regards, Hobbypianist 10:48, 16 May 2009 (EDT)

IMSLP standards

Hi Morel, thanks for your recent submissions. I am noticing a trend, however, with your uploads that I'd like to point out to minimize any "clean up" on our part. Since you've been around for a while you must have noticed the changes we make to your submissions, namely the following:

1.) Whenever possible and where printed, new works should always have the opus number in their title like the following: Mazurka, Op.13 (note the spacing). This was the case with your Messanger pieces that I've corrected.

2.) We are using international standards and English for info. about pieces, this means keys (E-flat Major, D Minor) and abbreviations of cardinal numbers (No.1, not N°1).

There may be others but these two are what I immediately noticed. Again, thanks for all your submissions, I certainly appreciate the French attention, just in the future let us only come by and tag your pieces and not fix them :) Daphnis 08:17, 18 May 2009 (EDT)

I'm sorry and I'll try to do my best in the future, to improve myself and not to commit these faults anymore. --Morel 08:49, 18 May 2009 (EDT)

color to monocrome conversion

Hi Morel, first of all I want to thank you for your work.
But as far as I can see your scans could look much better. It seems to me like you do something wrong in the conversion of your scans to monocrome. Your scans look frayed, like they have been converted using some kind of dithering. If you really scan in color and convert that way you should definitely try to take the conversion without any dithering. I could swear the results would be fantastic. If you have some problems you could also upload a pdf with the original color scans if you like and I try to help you with the conversion. -- Piupianissimo 15:48, 18 May 2009 (CET) Hello Piupianissimo, I don't understand what I'm doing wrong with my scans. I tell you exactly what I do : I scan the pages in Tiff with CCITT Fax 4 compression, grayscale and resolution 400 dpi. Then I use Photoshop to make PDF files and that's all what I do. Can you tell me what I'm doing wrong and what I must do to improve my scans ? I don't know what is a conversion ? Thanks in advance for your help ! --Morel 16:08, 29 May 2009 (EDT)
Hi Morel, let's try to find out what happens to your scans.
First of all you should keep in mind that the real scans are color. So when you scan in grayscale you get the first conversion (i.e. a light red and a light yellow whould look the same light gray). Now you wrote, that you save your scans as CCITT Fax 4 compressed tiff. This is the correct final format, but Fax 4 compression is no longer geayscale but monocrome. So here you get the second - and most significant - conversion from gray to only black and white pixels. This is the conversion I was talking about. There are different ways to convert from grayscale to monocrome. The easyest (and best for our scores) is to use a certain level of gray and convert every pixel that is darker to black and that is lighter to white. The other way is called dithering - here you will get some kind of pixel raster as result of an area of originally gray pixels. This can be nice if you convert a picture, but with scores or text you should never use this. Perhaps your scanner software offers some parameter where you can swich to the other conversion type.
If not I give you a little cookbook:
1. scan in color (300dpi whould be good here) and save the scans as jpg with no or only little compression,
2. open your color scans in Photoshop (the Mercedes for this kind of work) and resize it to 600dpi - 200% of the original size (you can even correct the rotation when you have color scans - sometimes one degree or less will have a big effect here),
3. when rotation and size (600dpi, don't use less please!!!) is ok, you can change from color to monocrome - you will see the options in Photoshop - and save the resulting page in tiff CCITT Fax 4 compression. These pages should look great.
Of course you could further improve these results when you clean your monocrome pages from dust, dirt or pencil remarks.
Hope I could help you and look forward for your results! -- Piupianissimo _talk 17:51, 11 June 2009 (CET)
Hi Piupianissimo, I try to use your "cookbook" in vain... Sorry but it was too complicate for me ! Step 1 & 2 were successful but in step 3 I cannot change from color to monocrome, it was only possible to change to grayscale and after from grayscale to monocrome. It was also impossible to save the resulting page in tiff CCITT Fax 4 compression because the file was much too big (29,4 Mb !). Is it possible and better for me to scan in Black & white instead of grayscale ? --Morel 09:09, 15 June 2009 (EDT)
Hi again Morel,
I'm so sorry, perhaps you should use IrfanView. It's freeware and does the change to monocrome as well as the resizing very well. Of course you can also scan in monocrome directly. That's what I always do. But as I'm not quite shure about what your scanners software does I thought it's a better idea to start with color - that can't be wrong. When you scan in monocrome you should at least use 600dpi (I use 1200dpi resolution and a filer that cleans the page from dust and scale down to 600dpi). Have a look at your scans in full zoom, there should be sharp edges (at least if the source score is in good condition). Good luck and please tell me about your results (I keep my fingers crossed). -- Piupianissimo _talk 22:14, 15 June 2009 (CET)
Hi Piupianissimo, Thank you for your advice. I have tryed Irfanview and I've made a scan in monocrome (Black & white) 600 dpi. Can you tell me if it is better than before. The score is La montagne enchantée (Messager, André). The original is old (1897) and the paper is very "yellow"". I'm waiting for your advice ! --Morel 01:50, 16 June 2009 (EDT)
Hi Morel,
I'm so sorry that I didn't answer you earlier. Of course this scan is much better. I rated it a 9 (twice) as there are only two things you could (or should) further improve. The main thing is the skew, you should always try to avoid this, best already in the scanning process. Another possibility is to rotate the scan to correct it (Irfanview offers this as "Custom/Fine Rotation") - sometimes it's just 1 degree or even less, that is clearly visible. The other point is the dust and dirt pixels. You can have a look here to see how I manage this problem. Hope you go on with your fine scans. -- Piupianissimo _talk 10:20, 31 July 2009 (CET)

Tchaikovsky Romeo & Juliet

Hello Morel. Thank you for posting Klindworth's arrangement of Tchaikovsky's Romeo and Juliet. This is actually the 3rd and final version of the overture (Sibley gives the wrong information on their site), but I've altered our page accordingly. Regards — P.davydov 07:13, 23 May 2009 (EDT)

Debussy's string quartet (4 hands arrangement)

Hello Morel!

Thank you for scanning and uploading the 4 hands version of Debussy's string quartet.

I wanted to let you know that:

1) you missed pp. 9 and 10 of the score in your scanning;

2) you scanned p. 13 twice;

3) sometimes the quality of the scanned page is very poor, especially in the corners.

Do you think you can fix those problems? It would be wonderful!

Thank you!

Mortara _talk Hello Mortara. I have added pp. 9 and 10 and I have removed p. 13. I'm sorry but I don't have enough time to rescann all the score. --Morel 12:26, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Hello Morel! Thank you for your help anyway! This score is really impossible to find elsewhere and now it is accessible in its entirety. Mortara _talk

BSB Scans

Hi Morel, Can you delete the page with the ridiculous, bogus copyright claim on these before posting? If it's a problem, I can take care of it here. Thanks, Carolus

Hahn uploads

Dear Morel, thanks for these Hahn contributions, however please take care and do some research on your part to ensure the correct work pages are created. Work pages for parent works should only be created and not those for movements thereof, for example with "Les rêveries du Prince Églantine". This is a movement, as you noted in the Misc. Comments., of his larger work Le rossignol éperdu. Daphnis 17:20, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Hello Daphnis, "La Nativité" is also a part of "Le Rossignol éperdu" (n°39) and, like "Les rêveries du Prince Eglantine", was edited before "Le Rossignol éperdu". The problem is that this 2 piano pieces are in the "List of compositions by Reynaldo Hahn". It's why I have created pages for them. I'm sorry and will try to improve myself in the future !--Morel 17:51, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Morel, this is understandable. I don't fully trust the "List of compositions" unless I know it's source, and when in doubt I always consult Grove online. Do you have access to this? Daphnis 17:53, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

No and I don't know what "Grove online" is and what it is for. I'm sorry. My english is very bad... I'm french... If you think I have done something wrong, I apologise and perhaps is it better that I stop my contributions ? Just tell me. --Morel 18:16, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Morel, no please don't stop contributing. Just do your best to sort works into their proper pages, and I'll double-check (at least the French composers) with Grove etc. Daphnis 18:24, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Hello Morel, On "Les rêveries du Prince Églantine", which is No.16 of Le Rossignol Éperdu, you uploaded a second file earlier today. Did you intend to replace the file you originally uploaded? We now have two scans of this work, both uploaded by you, so I am not sure if you wished to replace the earlier scan or if you wanted there to be an additional scan. Please advise. BTW, I moved it to the main page and placed it at the bottom. Thanks, Carolus 00:07, 7 November 2009 (UTC) (IMSLP Copyright Admin) Hello Carolus, I think it's better to replace the older file with the new one which is of better quality... but I don't know how to do that. Can you please do this for me ? Thanks in advance. --Morel 08:30, 7 November 2009 (UTC)