User talk:Patremblay22


Dauprat trio

Hello Patremblay22. Thanks for your note on the user page. Is this piece actually the Grand Trio, Op.26? The edition you uploaded doesn't have a piano part or full title, so anything more you can tell me might be helpful — P.davydov 08:45, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

This is a very good question. I will be uploading the piano score in the next few days but it doesn't say anything but "Trio de Cors". I don't know any recording of the piece either. That's partly why I thought the title "Trio de cors avec accompagnement de piano" made more sense.

Horn Page

Hello Patremblay22, I see you've been working on the Horn page that has to be manually updated. We now have a new categorization system that is automated, based upon how works are tagged on the work page itself. If you go to this page: Scores featuring the horn, you can see all the horn items that it is picking up at the moment, which can help you find things to update the page you're working on. It's up to 192 pieces right now, but will grow as pages are tagged by the category-tagging project. Best, Carolus 01:27, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Yes the "Scores featuring the horn" category will eventually take the place of the horn page you've been working on, although this will probably take a couple of months, so it's up to you whether you want to carry on in the meantime — P.davydov 09:20, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Wonderful work, brilliant page! Great work-- Snailey Talk to Me Email me 03:02, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

We could definitely use more Horn music here. So, if you have items to scan and post - scan and post away! Great job with the Horn page. Carolus 06:47, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
Hi, here's the style we're using for dates. If the date is printed on the score, it is given in plain numerals, like "1814". If the date appears on a preface or an advertisement, it is given in parens. If the date is known (from a reliable source like the Hofmeister Monatsbericht) but does not appear on the score, it is given as "n.d.(1894)". If the date is estimated from a source like our publisher pages (with lists of plate numbers), it is given as "n.d.(ca.1855)". If you have no idea of what the date would be, just use "n.d." So, the whole publisher citation is ordered thus:
[City (principal headquarters of publisher)]: [Name of Publisher (as it originally appeared on that particular engraving, if known)], [Ed.(edition number, if known)], [date (if known - see above)], plate [plate number (if known), including any plate number prefix (like Durand's famous "D. & F.")].
BTW, I saw you uploaded a new version of the Dauprat. Do you want me to delete the old file you uploaded the other day? Also, the Danzi scan was superb. Hope you can provide the piano part as well. Carolus 06:16, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

The new version of the Dauprat is definite. The other one can be deleted. Also, I now know from a very reliable source the title of the work: Trio pour deux Cors-Alto et Cor-Basse avec Accompagnement de Piano ou de Violons, Alto, Violoncelle et Contrebasse, Flûtes et Hautbois Op. 15 (published around 1819). I suggest that we rename the file by the name of "Trio pour deux Cors-Alto et Cor-Basse avec Accompagnement de Piano, Op.15". Would that seemed fine to you? Also, yes, I will upload the piano part for the Danzi tomorrow.

See my talk page for a discussion of this most unusual piece. Carolus 07:50, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
Have a look at the Ponchielli Quartetto for a similarly confusing title. There I simply translated the Italian title (and if you like the logic behind this) for the Dauprat the title of the workpage should read "Trio for 3 Horns, with Orchestra or Piano" - would this serve as a better model how to name other pieces like it? - The complete disregard for the pianist is fairly common in Italian editions from this time, and since many of these pieces are opera paraphrases, it seems that they follow the "Duetto" ... "Terzetto" ... "Quartetto" labelling in operas that only count the soloists...--Kalliwoda 23:36, 1 February 2010 (UTC)


This appears to be a recent typeset, not an 1836 print. Do you any idea of whose typeset this is? Thanks, Carolus 06:47, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Yes, it is a recent typeset on whice every aspect of the original page layout has been retained. Her (his?) name is Viola Roth.

OK, how recent is it? If it's less than 25 years old, you have to have permission from Viola Roth, or sufficient proof that Roth has released this under a Creative Commons License or something similar, or a declaration that it is public domain from Roth, If it is over 25 years old, we may be able to have it here without any permission as long as certain conditions are in play (like lack of any copyright notice, evidence it has been reprinted, etc.) This is where the copyright end of things gets a bit "complicated." Carolus 06:58, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Eric von Schmutzig

Hi Patremblay22, and thanks for the upload! Unfortunately, I found out that all the Professor Schmutzig books were actually written by Arthur E. Goldstein, who died in 2009. Because of this, I had to delete the file you so kindly uploaded. Sorry, KGill talk email 01:13, 7 May 2010 (UTC)