Actually, in Op. 32, Holst definitely wants a Wagner Tuba in B♭ — and it sounds better. Thanks-- Snailey (_@/) Talk to Me Email me 02:48, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
- Interesting. I've never heard it performed this way. Anything to back up your argument? (I'm not trying to cause any trouble, I'm just curious as to how you arrived at this conclusion.)TrumpetMan202 03:59, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
I arrived at this conclusion based on performances I've heard on record and off (although, Wikipedia would seem to support this point).
Actually, having looked into this further, I think that you're almost certainly correct. Sorry about that.-- Snailey (_@/) Talk to Me Email me 17:01, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
- I was visiting here to comment on a recent Wishlist edit, but I’ll add my 2 cents. My full score of this (Eulenberg 8007, which is an edited reprint of Goodwin & Tab/Boosey & Hawkes 15970; editors: Colin Matthews and Imogen Holst) has the following footnote by Colin Matthews, in discussing Holst’s orchestration choices:
- The tenor tuba may also have been borrowed from Stravinsky, who intended two tenor Wagner tubas to be used in The Rite of Spring and also in The Firebird. In performances of The Planets the part is usually played on the euphonium, but had Holst wanted that instrument he would probably have said so. He had already used it as a non-transposing instrument in the Suites for military band: here it is written a ninth higher than sounding, the conventional notation for Wagner tuba.
- So on the strength of that I would go with what it says in the full score, which is “Tenor Tuba (in B♭)” rather than Euphonium. The Euphonium might be the common performance option according to Wikipedia[citation needed!], but there are plenty of recordings where you can hear the distinct timbre of the Wagner tuba, and Perlnerd’s right – it sounds better (IMNSHO). Cheers, Philip @ © talk 09:11, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
- Interesting point. I just figured that as a bandsman Holst would be more familiar with the euphonium, which would have also been more readily available in wartime England than a Wagner tuba. According to http://www.wagner-tuba.com/wagnertuba_melton/wagners_heirs.htm, the first true Wagner tuba quartet didn't exist in England until 1935, long after this piece was written. The notation in treble clef might also be a concession to brass band euphonium players who would most likely play the part.
I'll have to seek out some of these recordings. Could you recommend any?TrumpetMan202 13:50, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
By all means delete items from the wishlist, but don’t remove the composer’s name when there are no wishlist items left – this causes a dead link in addition to preventing the easy addition of subsequent works for that composer. It’s not usually the case where we have every possible composition in every conceivable version, for any composer. We’ve yet to update the Wishlist guidelines to mention this, but it’s our general policy at present (a forum discussion on the topic is currently underway). Cheers, Philip @ © talk 09:11, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
- Sorry 'bout that, didn't know. I'll be more careful in future.TrumpetMan202 13:38, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
Victor Ewald: String Quartet, Op.1
Hi TrumpetMan202, thanks for your help! I'll tell Schissel and Steltz. --Ralph Theo Misch 23:21, 20 June 2011 (UTC)