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User:NachoBA

2008-07-02T22:06:40Z

NachoBA:

Hi there, I'm an organ, piano and composition student. Hope I can contribute interesting scores to this wonderful archive.

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User talk:Feldmahler/archive17

2008-06-30T22:53:07Z

NachoBA: /* Great to "see you" again */

== Archive Pages for this Talk Page ==
*[[User talk:Feldmahler/archive|Archive 1 (Feb. 16, 2006 - Jan. 21, 2007)]]
*[[User talk:Feldmahler/archive2|Archive 2 (Jan. 22, 2007 - Mar. 26, 2007)]]
*[[User talk:Feldmahler/archive3|Archive 3 (Mar. 27, 2007 - Apr. 10, 2007)]]
*[[User talk:Feldmahler/archive4|Archive 4 (Apr. 11, 2007 - Apr. 29, 2007)]]
*[[User talk:Feldmahler/archive5|Archive 5 (Apr. 30, 2007 - May 20, 2007)]]
*[[User talk:Feldmahler/archive6|Archive 6 (May 21, 2007 - Jun. 2, 2007)]]
*[[User talk:Feldmahler/archive7|Archive 7 (Jun. 3, 2007 - Jun. 12, 2007)]]
*[[User talk:Feldmahler/archive8|Archive 8 (Jun. 13, 2007 - Jun. 19, 2007)]]
*[[User talk:Feldmahler/archive9|Archive 9 ({{#makedate:2007|6|19}} - {{#makedate:2007|7|12}})]]
*[[User talk:Feldmahler/archive10|Archive 10 ({{#makedate:2007|7|13}} - {{#makedate:2007|8|8}})]]
*[[User talk:Feldmahler/archive11|Archive 11 ({{#makedate:2007|8|9}} - {{#makedate:2007|8|30}})]]
*[[User talk:Feldmahler/archive12|Archive 12 ({{#makedate:2007|8|31}} - {{#makedate:2007|10|01}})]]
*[[User talk:Feldmahler/archive13|Archive 13 ({{#makedate:2007|10|02}} - {{#makedate:2008|01|03}})]]

== New Version (IMSLP 0.7) ==

I really like the clean, elegant look - congratulations. I noticed a couple of things from a visual / end user's POV:

1. The second info block is indented from both the left and right sides. This creates text oddities when the Urtext message template is in place in the misc. comments field - even colliding with the field name itself. Would it help to remove the idents? Since this block is a contrasting color with the upper one, the indents strike me a superfluous, esepcially the one on the right.

2. The file description now serves as the hot link to the PDF file itself. This created some issues in some pages like the one I was working on for [[Piano Transcriptions - Works of Various Composers (Godowsky, Leopold)|Godowsky's transcriptions]]. I'd originally put in direct links to the original version of the actual piece that Godowsky transcribed in addition to creating a link to the composer category in the subsection of the page. Because the name now serves as the file link, this is no longer possible. Would it be better (and more immediately obvious to the end user) if the common PDF icon (which one sees everywhere in the net these days) were positioned on the left side of the upper info-block to serve as the link to the file itself, which would free up the description field to function as it did before?

These are just style items more than anything, but they might make IMSLP that much easier to use. [[User:Carolus|Carolus]] 00:39, 11 February 2008 (EST)

:As to 2, why not use the "misc. notes" section? (unless I misunderstand what you want to do...) --[[User:Leonard Vertighel|Leonard Vertighel]] 10:47, 11 February 2008 (EST)

::The left indent also does not seem visually peaceful to me, so I don't think we need it, but I don't think it's the cause of the Urtext template problem. The right darker box is meant for the thumbnail pictures. Also, Feldmahler, I don't find the template anymore so that we can make minor modifications to it. Could you give us links for editing the file, composer and work templates? I have another long list of requests for things I can't program, but I'd better keep them for a while... Wouldn't you need someone who can do minor programming work for you? In other words, what can we do? --[[User:Peter|Peter]] [[User talk:Peter|talk]] 12:31, 11 February 2008 (EST)

:::Thanks for the feedback! I've removed the left indent (and hopefully it won't implode on IE... please check my change and see if it works Leonard :). Removing the right block (which like Peter says is for the thumbnail) should be possible too for entries without thumbnails, but requires coding, and so I'll put it on the todo list for the next IMSLP version (which will be out before IMSLP goes back online).

:::Carolus, for #1, it is not merely an indenting problem I believe (same problem exists even now that I've removed the left indent); it is probably a problem of the CSS. Maybe you can look into it Leonard? If changing the CSS is not possible, we can work around it in the Urtext template itself. For #2, the PDF icon is possible (and apparently that's what CPDL does), though my concern is that people might not understand what it means, and that you should click on it to download the file. It works on CPDL because they use many icons, but for IMSLP just putting an icon in the template may not be intuitive (though perhaps the icon + text works?). However, I know what you mean, and will think of ways around this. The easiest way is, like Leonard said, to put it in the Misc. Comments, but being able to use proper wiki-formatting (including links of course) in the description itself may be a good idea in the long run (and which makes all the fields in the template independent of any template-related extra formatting besides the absolutely necessary).

:::Peter, I basically copied the layout from [[IMSLP:Site_development/drafts|here]]. However, the real code of the template is actually in the [[Mediawiki:Common.css]] file, as referenced to by the templates (all the work entry related entries are prefixed 'we_'). I put the real template itself in the code because that decreases the parsing time by order of magnitude (if we had the old template IMSLP's server would have died from overload a long time ago), but since most of the formatting-related code is now in the Common.css file, you can edit it right in the wiki. Though it may be a good idea to test any edits in all browsers you can find (and most important of all, IE). Web designing for IE with all its brokenness is bad enough, but we have to here design for both IE and every other browser at the same time without using any browser detection methods, which is pain squared as I'm sure Leonard can attest to ;) However, editing a CSS file is not a piece of cake; if you don't think you can do what you want, you can ask Leonard and maybe he can do it when he has some free time.

:::Also Peter, please do request any additional coding you want; that way I can organize my coding time so that I can finish everything in the most optimal fashion. As for what you can do insofar as IMSLP coding and design is concerned, Common.css would probably be the major one that anyone (well, the admins) can edit in the wiki. As for the actual IMSLP PHP code, it would require a considerable amount of time for even PHP programmers to get the hang of it (the extensions and modifications to Mediawiki code itself is quite extensive), and so I think it'd be best for me to handle the core functions. However, I've been thinking of letting other people code some modularized sections (ex. the LoC cataloging system that we planned), but that's after IMSLP comes back up. :) --[[User:Feldmahler|Feldmahler]] 13:52, 11 February 2008 (EST)

Quick reply: '''IE''' - can't check right now. '''removing right block when unused''' - does it really look better? (no time to try right now) '''urtext template in file template''' - nests a '''div''' inside a '''p''', which is illegal and causes the layout problem. Requires a change in the html code of the file template (and the associated css). '''icons''' - I agree that they may be confusing for the occasional users. If you want to use them at all costs, provide also a textual explanation alongside. But be careful about the signal/noise ratio, in other words: try to avoid visual clutter that carries no information. What may seem perfectly obvious for the experienced users, may nonetheless be totally confusing for the occasional users (presumably the majority of all users). See also '''[[wikipedia:KISS principle|KISS principle]]'''. In any case, I think the download link should be the biggest and most noticeable one of the entire file entry. '''testing css changes''' - use your [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:User_style user style sheet] for testing, and run the code through the [http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/ validator] before applying it globally. Be sure to test in M$IE (at least 6+7; warning: may cause brain damage) as well as in at least one standards compliant browser (mozilla, opera,...). '''Coding''' - no more open sourcing? Hope to have more time when I'm back (see my user page). End of message. --[[User:Leonard Vertighel|Leonard Vertighel]] 16:59, 11 February 2008 (EST)

:Now there's a lot of information to process ;) I'll just answer the last question. Open sourcing will definitely happen; the problem is will people be willing to work on the IMSLP code even ''after'' it is open sourced, and then whether the work on the code will be of sufficiently high quality (integration) to be admitted into the repository. This is less of a problem with modularized code, but the core IMSLP code is heavily integrated within itself (more like Mediawiki core code vs. special pages). There is also ~5400 lines of it (not including modifications to Mediawiki code) which build on existing Mediawiki code and core Mediawiki functions. So essentially, the programmer would be required to have a good knowledge of Mediawiki internals '''plus''' the IMSLP extensions, whereas with a modularized special page (ex. the LoC catalog) the programmer only needs to know the basic Mediawiki special page/parser extension API. --[[User:Feldmahler|Feldmahler]] 21:01, 11 February 2008 (EST)

== some quick thoughts on those tab thingies ==

pro:
* makes long pages potentially easier to navigate;
* ...?
contra:
* longer clickpath on short pages (the majority?) with no added benefit;
* two rows of tabs with no clear hierarchical relationship between them are potentially confusing (for those who are not familiar with the Mediawiki interface);
* integrates badly with Mediawiki (at least the version you linked in irc): the "edit" link (and possibly others) doesn't do what you expect (i.e. open the actual page for editing).
Just my proverbial 2¢... --[[User:Leonard Vertighel|Leonard Vertighel]] 04:20, 18 February 2008 (EST)

:I concur with Leonard, and I see also some alternatives. The first suggestion would be facilitation of the use of the multifile template as discussed on irc. Secondly, I would propose to do a big layout update to improve overview and compactness. The situation as I see it is that the Leonard design is just beautiful, but is somewhat disturbed by the standard mediawiki layout (lines and spaces everywhere):
# In particular, the standard headings are disturbing the fluency. Do we actually need them? Some headers are not used, others are duplicate (composer name), others could maybe be incorporated in the work / composer template. I think its fairly easy to redesign these headers as they are in the style sheet.
# On long pages, one has to scroll to the end for the general information. How would the work template look on top?
# Is it feasible to redesign the left pane and top bars?
# Maybe a slightly smaller font, in general or just for some sections, would improve readability.
# A table of contents, if present, disturbs sometimes the layout.
# ...
:This would of course take a lot of work :( :( [[User:Peter|Peter]] [[User talk:Peter|talk]] 12:59, 18 February 2008 (EST)

I've set up [[IMSLP:Site development/Work page redesign|a page]] to address this, let's continue over there... --[[User:Leonard Vertighel|Leonard Vertighel]] 14:20, 18 February 2008 (EST)

== file template ==

By the way, there have been some changes to the file template that I don't quite understand:
* I had [[IMSLP:Site development/drafts|proposed]] to use "scanned by" rather than "scanner", in an attempt to prevent people putting "Epson" rather than the name/nick - what was wrong with that? ("uploaded by" was then just for consistency)
::This is an oversight on my part (didn't remember the previous discussion)... though I think one reason I changed to "scanner" was to match "uploader", because the uploader field is rather long, and having "uploaded by" would break many of them into two lines (unless the uploader name is very short). Though you do have a good point (and which has happened several times in the past).
* why do we need the redundant "Type: Scan, Scanner: ..." - if somebody scanned it, then what else could it be except a scan?
::Well, there are actually three types that would have a "Scanner": normal scan, manuscript scan, and original composition, hence the explicit type definition. If there is a way to incorporate the three into the description ("Scanner") that would be nice, and so we can get rid of the "Type" part.
:::Now I'm slightly confused: for an original composition (what's the exact definition, by the way? Previously unpublished?), how do you distinguish between scanned and typeset scores?
::::The answer is that this is a very hacked-together system lol. The original intent was to distinguish between scans (i.e. officially published typesets) and typesets (i.e. non-published typesets), but other stuff got piled on top of it and now we have four categories (scan, manuscript scan, typeset, original composition). The definition of original composition is rather uncertain... it should mean compositions of composers still alive, but perhaps we should remove this category altogether. The reason the category originally existed is because they don't fit nicely into either scan or typeset (or more to the point, the definition is pretty much pointless for them because usually it is the composer him/herself submitting it to IMSLP), but I suppose we can make do without a separate category. The other problem of course is to distinguish between manuscript scan and normal scan.
:::::The last one is easy: replace "Type: Scan, Scanner: ..." with "Scanned by ..." and "Type: Manuscript, Scanner: ..." with "Manuscript scanned by ...". Shorter, more fluid, same information content.
::::::Ok, I will make the necessary adjustments. I'll for now classify original composition as typesets.
* rating now is just a number with no explanation - not good imho, requires people to find and read some explanation to understand what is being rated (the music? the download speed? the performance difficulty? the haircut of the composer?)
--[[User:Leonard Vertighel|Leonard Vertighel]] 03:21, 19 February 2008 (EST)
::Well, I was mostly trying to cram the various things into one line... if you could suggest a way to do it and also be more explicit about the rating then I would certainly be implementing it :) The reason I didn't use the version in the drafts exactly is because it is broken into two lines (the "uploaded by" line is also broken into two for the second one). Perhaps we need to use smaller fonts? --[[User:Feldmahler|Feldmahler]] 11:19, 19 February 2008 (EST)
:::Weird... on my computer, with Firefox, it starts breaking only if I resize the window to less than 900px (at default font size)... how wide is your browser window? --[[User:Leonard Vertighel|Leonard Vertighel]] 12:03, 19 February 2008 (EST)
::::I'm using Konq, maximized with 1024x768 screen size. I think it may be because of difference in font sizes, plus the fact that the entry is fixed-width. Speaking of width, perhaps we should stop designing for 800x600 and instead aim for 1024x768 (and thus increase the width of the entry)? --[[User:Feldmahler|Feldmahler]] 12:27, 19 February 2008 (EST)
:::::I see, Konqueror has indeed overall a huge default font. Problem is, if we make it smaller, it gets too small for both Firefox and Opera (dunno about IE...). The entry is max-width rather than fixed-width (except for silly IE6, which goes full-width). We can thus easily increase the width, on narrow screens it will just be full-width. --[[User:Leonard Vertighel|Leonard Vertighel]] 12:52, 19 February 2008 (EST)
::::::That would be a very good idea. I believe Peter also requested something similar, to prevent lines from unnecessarily breaking. Plus, everything seems to be widescreen these days anyway ;) --[[User:Feldmahler|Feldmahler]] 15:53, 19 February 2008 (EST)

== composer template ==

Alternate names:
* "Alternate Names: None given" -> cognitive noise -> please remove ;)
::Removed both non-existant intersections and alternate names. :) --[[User:Feldmahler|Feldmahler]] 18:09, 22 February 2008 (EST)
* A better place (when they ''are'' given) might be under "Miscellaneous information"; maybe not perfect either, but IMHO it makes more sense than among the navigation links.
::Hmm... Is it possible to put it directly below the name itself (in smaller font obviously)? The "Misc. Information" section is for customized messages (it just takes a chunk of whatever you feed it and spits it out in that section without processing).
:::I guess that could work.

Edit help:
* Please not in every single template. We're trying to make them as compact as possible, to make it easier to get an overwiev of long work pages, among other things. If anything, then ''one'' link per page.
* One possibility could be to put it next to the edit link at the top of the page. Maybe remove the "discussion" link instead, since it's not used in the same way as on Wikipedia (And maybe we should rethink the site navigation as a whole, since it's currently more complex than Wikipedia's, which is a far bigger and more heterogeneous project than IMSLP.)
::Would a centralized help be better? We can use the "help" link in the sidebar, or even a special "help" section with a few sub-sections in the sidebar.
:::Centralized help sounds good. (The current one is a mess however, and I'm tempted to delete most of it and start from scratch.) Please no more subsections in the sidebar: as I was saying, we already have five sections where Wikipedia manages with two; that's too much already. Just think of how many people are unable to program a VCR. It's not a complicated task ''per se'', but most people will unknowingly refuse to figure out anything that ''looks'' complex. Navigation should be as few links as possible, and each one should have an immediately obvious meaning. Clearly this is not easy to achieve, and I'm certainly no master at this. But we should at least try... --[[User:Leonard Vertighel|Leonard Vertighel]] 04:04, 23 February 2008 (EST)

It goes without saying that there is no hurry as long as we're offline, just don't forget ;) --[[User:Leonard Vertighel|Leonard Vertighel]] 17:57, 22 February 2008 (EST)
::Well its easy enough to put in the code... in fact I'm doing this right now so I don't forget (the ones we agreed on that is). --[[User:Feldmahler|Feldmahler]] 18:09, 22 February 2008 (EST)

== Message when not PD in US ==
Hi Feldmahler,
I just came across something: I tried to open a score V / NotPDUS / V when I was not logged in yet, but there came an error message. I tested it with a file V / V / NotPDinEU -> this was working, though not PD in EU. Why this selective blocking if a file is not PD in US? Is it only temporarily? Hmm, I hope so... By the way, does the new IMSLP version contain a category mover to rename a composer? Several names are wrongly written. Regards and Happy Easter Holidays :), [[User:Hobbypianist|Hobbypianist]] 04:27, 21 March 2008 (EDT)

== The Second Coming of IMSLP ==

Thank you for the advance notice about estimated time of arrival! (Don't worry, my lips are sealed.) I'll try to upload as much as I can before then, and when IMSLP comes back up I'll probably go to ground for a little while and let everybody else play so that the whole thing doesn't crash.

Your perseverance and hard work throughout this whole affair has been legendary. If the Queen gives out awards to Canucks for service to the music community (like she does when it's Australia Day here), you should get one.

(off to work now...born to scan, forced to work!!)

[[User:Aldona|Aldona]] 17:47, 16 April 2008 (EDT)

:Thank you for the praise! I think many other IMSLP contributors (with yourself being at the top of the list) deserve as much praise, if not more :)

:Also, an update on the situation. I just had a talk with Carolus, and he corrected me that it is more likely IMSLP will be up in ~5-6 weeks. Apparently the name check is taking a long time (still ~3 weeks to go according to the lawyer). But after that it should be a breeze. In the meanwhile I get a chance to get some of the features squeezed in before IMSLP officially goes online :) --[[User:Feldmahler|Feldmahler]] 00:16, 17 April 2008 (EDT)

And we get some more time to contribute some more files.

Just passed 16,000 files and growing...and I can't even post a celebratory thread on the forum. Damn.

I'll try to confine myself to stuff that's definitely, unmistakeably PD without any doubts, so as not to overwork the copyright checking team.
[[User:Aldona|Aldona]] 08:24, 1 May 2008 (EDT)

:Thank you again for your tireless work on IMSLP! Even though we can't celebrate on the forums right now, we can simply roll it into one huge celebration once IMSLP comes back online ;) --[[User:Feldmahler|Feldmahler]] 01:14, 2 May 2008 (EDT)

== Problem??? ==

First I was unable to access IMSLP at all for 24 hours (from about this time yesterday, until now). Both from my home computer, and from the computer at work.

Now it's back and I am trying to add a work. I get a peculiar truncated version of the "add work" page; only a space for the work title, the composer name automatically filled in, and a box for "miscellaneous comments." That's all.

Has there been some kind of bug or glitch in the system?

[[User:Aldona|Aldona]] 17:46, 16 June 2008 (EDT)

:Hi Aldona! Sorry for the problems you were (and are) experiencing. I was upgrading IMSLP over the weekend, and hence the downtime... I should have notified people earlier, but I had everything ready and thought that I'd just do it, since the time left is not that much (and leave more time for general testing). The shortened Add Work page is actually not an error, but a result of the split of IMSLP into IMSLP and IMDBP (http://imdbp.org , just go to the Recent Changes and click "Show bot edits"), which means that all information on a page resides on IMDBP, but which IMSLP "embeds" into the work page. The edit link for the info section will ultimately point to the corresponding IMDBP page (I have not yet set everything up correctly). After adding an IMSLP work page you will also see an error for the info section (because there is no corresponding IMDBP page), but functionality is not impaired, and that error will turn into a link to the corresponding IMDBP page-creator once I actually get more of this stuff linked (the pages are there, just not linked properly).

:Hope this helps, and sorry for the inconvenience! I really should have sent out a message in advance. But this is a rather necessary (and huge) upgrade prior to the restart of IMSLP because there is a third project in planning, and IMDBP is necessary for everything to happen. Many of the prior niceties may be broken, but as this week progresses I aim to get IMSLP back to (better than) the original working state. Please do tell me if there are any broken parts or bugs that you think I have overlooked (the only known one currently for the IMSLP side is the bad edit link)...

:Again, sorry! --[[User:Feldmahler|Feldmahler]] 21:27, 16 June 2008 (EDT)

Thank you and keep up the good work - I'll go easy on the uploads and just concentrate on scanning things for a few days until things settle down.

(reflex action - whenever the site goes down without warning I get flashbacks to Oct 20-21 and think the worst - e.g. that IMSLP is under attack again by hackers, music publishers, aliens or other malevolent forces ;-))

[[User:Aldona|Aldona]] 21:47, 16 June 2008 (EDT)

:One thing I just noticed: The field "Scanner" appears to with the label "Unknown." The default for that field is the term ''Unknown'' (in italics), so that most of these I've seen read: Unknown: ''Unknown''. Also, the link just beneath the "General Info" section goes only to the main page instead of to a place where the General Info can be edited. (You probably already know about that one, though.) - [[User:Carolus|Carolus]] 22:38, 16 June 2008 (EDT)

Hi Feldmahler. I'm also noticing lots of weird happenings here, for example the intrusion of the Greek and English U.S. copyright warnings on some pages that apply (see [http://imslp.org/wiki/Bacchus_et_Ariane%2C_Op.43_(Roussel%2C_Albert) Roussel's page]). I also can't seem to edit the General Information on a piece even after clicking the "Click this link..." link. I also don't think I'm getting email notifications like I should (although nothing has changed on my end), but I'm not sure this is related. [[User:Daphnis|Daphnis]] 08:48, 20 June 2008 (EDT)
:The multiple-language copyright warnings is because I disabled the old IFLANG function in favor of the new IFLANG parser function which is much cleaner (ex. <nowiki>{{#iflang:en=a|es=b|el=c}}</nowiki>), but some of those pages have not migrated yet. I will make sure that the migration of IFLANG is complete before launch.
:The edit link should bring you to the IMDBP information page, and editing any information on that page will automatically update the IMSLP page. If you are having problems with this process, please do tell me.
:E-mail notification for wishlist items are temporarily disabled because of load concerns (like Wikipedia). If load is fine after IMSLP comes back up, I will probably re-enable e-mail notification...
:Thanks for the reports! If you feel something is out of place or buggy, do report it to me. :-) --[[User:Feldmahler|Feldmahler]] 10:58, 20 June 2008 (EDT)
::I still haven't changed the templates because I thought the table inside the function didn't work yet. If you want me to change them, just give me a signal! Btw my mail is still delayed, I know. --[[User:Peter|Peter]] [[User talk:Peter|talk]] 14:34, 20 June 2008 (EDT)
:::Thanks for standing by :) I already added a function that will allow it to work, but apparently that function is currently broken (I have yet to debug that part). However, I wanted to ask whether it is possible to use #iflang inside the table, and not outside it? I did a quick check of one of the problem templates, and it seems very possible to just put the #iflang inside the table... don't know if that holds for the others though. --[[User:Feldmahler|Feldmahler]] 12:05, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
::Of course! I should think more outside the box. It works for not too complex templates (e.g. all important copyright notification templates that need a priority on translating), but not if there are new rows inside the iflang because of the "|" (e.g. [[Template:Beethoven String Quartets]]). Other pages like [[Browse by composer time period]] should imo better be translated on a different page instead of using the iflang, because the page code just gets too complex. The choice of using iflang or not should be made based on the risk of loosing an important page modification in the translations. On the other hand, while Jujimufu did an excellent job on translating every title in the publisher pages, adding iflang code for every language in every line would make it impossible to have a coherent view on the page structure. A solution would be substituting the table contents from one common source page, but this again makes everything very complex. We'll see - one translation is manageable for now.--[[User:Peter|Peter]] [[User talk:Peter|talk]] 16:50, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
:::I have programmed an extension to the template function (for *all* templates, actually) that solves the problem of the pipe ('|') symbol. Unfortunately, for whatever reason the extension is not working properly yet, but I will make it work properly :) For longer pages, it might be a good idea to have completely separate page instead of #iflang as you say (I think this is the norm already, at least for some pages).

:::Regardless, there will probably be details that need to be ironed out (ex. what the limit of when to use #iflang and when to use a separate page is, how to distinguish outdated translations, etc), but most translations should be functioning correctly after I fix the bug with the new template input format (I'll announce the technical details after I fix it).

:::Also, 10000+ works, and a new name :) More info in the news entry I'm going to write now. --[[User:Feldmahler|Feldmahler]] 17:30, 21 June 2008 (EDT)

hehehe...those flute sonatas by the Sons of Bach have pushed us over the 10,000 work mark. I didn't see that until you pointed it out.

I've just discovered what a wonderful gold-mine my "Commercially Available Resource" music CD-roms are turning out to be - especially as I have some without the commercial logo. The only headache-inducing bit is precisely identifying and cataloging the works. (any idea how many works Quantz wrote that are simply titled "Flute Concerto in G"??) [[User:Aldona|Aldona]] 18:36, 21 June 2008 (EDT)

:Feldmahler, I sent you an email using the mail this user link on this page, because I don't know what address you are using at the moment.--[[User:Peter|Peter]] [[User talk:Peter|talk]] 03:52, 22 June 2008 (EDT)

::Can you resend it to my feldmahler {at} imslp.org address? It seems like my account still has the old imslp@imslp.org one... Thanks! --[[User:Feldmahler|Feldmahler]] 21:33, 22 June 2008 (EDT)

Hi, It appears the Piano Concerto Navigator in the Mozart Piano Concerto pages does not parse with the new version of the software. I've not checked any of the other similar navigation aids (Bach Cantatas, etc. ) but it might be worth looking at a few. [[User:Carolus|Carolus]] 02:14, 24 June 2008 (EDT)
:One of the things that makes the template system choke (which I have not realized before) are raw tables ({| |}) in the page. The template essentially treats all '|' signs in the tables as argument delimiters, which wrecks havoc with the table. Good thing is, raw tables are usually not necessary in templates, and when they are necessary (as in the navigation aids), they are usually better served by template inclusion (like the Beethoven Sonatas).

:However, I will be trying to fix this problem myself, so you can wait for the fix if you don't want to edit those pages and replace the navigation aid with a template. That said, in the long run it may be a good idea insofar as maintenance is concerned to have them all using one template... --[[User:Feldmahler|Feldmahler]] 11:54, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

Feldmahler, something screwy keeps happening when I add files. First, when adding a new composition and file for Vincent d'Indy, it fills out his name without the apostrophe, so I had to move it manually. Then, when adding a file to an existing page for Enescu, it screws up that work page and is unviewable from the composer's page now. Can you see what's going on here? I've got a ton of stuff to upload before the reopening and can't be bothering you for each oddity :) [[User:Daphnis|Daphnis]] 21:39, 26 June 2008 (EDT)

:I've fixed the d'Indy bug, but are you still experiencing the Enescu one? I cannot seem to find any example of the problem. The Romanian Rhapsodies are properly under the Enescu category, just categorized under 'R' and not '2'. --[[User:Feldmahler|Feldmahler]] 17:45, 27 June 2008 (EDT)

::I just made some cosmetic and language changes to the [[MediaWiki:CUSP:Disclaimer|CUSP disclaimer]] so they are in line with those recommended by the IP attorney. Also, there's some weirdness with a couple of work pages I ran across in the past few days. Here are links to them: 1. [[Toccata (Davidson, Robert)|Toccata]], 2. [[Concerto for Recorder, Oboe, Violin and Piano (St. George Tucker, Tui)|Concerto for Recorder, Oboe, Violin and Piano]]
::[[User:Carolus|Carolus]] 19:15, 27 June 2008 (EDT)

:::Thanks, but I think Carolus must have gotten to it before you did, or the system somehow corrected itself and it was only a temporary bug. In any case, it seems to be ok now. Speaking of the CUSP, would you expound on this filtration system and if the CUSP message will only be displayed for users about to download a non-PD work in their country, or will it effectively block downloading? Oh, and when will you re-activate email alerts? [[User:Daphnis|Daphnis]] 22:07, 27 June 2008 (EDT)

::::Thanks for the links Carolus. There is a somewhat sizable list (a dozen or so) of pages that for whatever reason failed to convert. Many was due to an ampersand (&) in the page name, but apparently a few was not. I had been wanting to fix this for quite a while (to be precise, ever since the bot converted all the pages), but am still swamped with stuff I need to get done before reopening Sunday (Saturday afternoon probably impossible, unfortunately). This dozen or so unconverted pages will probably have to wait until after IMSLP goes back up...

::::Daphnis, do report any further occurrences of this. The disclaimer will at first apply every time a file is downloaded, but I will have a system in place so that you only need to click on it once in a month or so. The disclaimer is not by any means a filtration system; it is merely a warning that IMSLP is not liable for any damages. It will in no case block downloading.

::::E-mail alerts will be reactivated after IMSLP goes back up. Currently I am trying to shorten the list of things that absolutely must be done prior to IMSLP's relaunch, and since e-mail alerts are not absolutely essential (I assume), I'll leave them until after the resurrection... I really need to keep a list of those things :)

::::Also, reopening is scheduled for Sunday (June 29th) and not Tuesday the 1st. I will, however, be taking the site offline for what is probably a substantial while later today (Saturday). --[[User:Feldmahler|Feldmahler]] 23:44, 27 June 2008 (EDT)

== Site Errors ==

Feldmahler, I noticed that I cannot view a file that is not-PD in the US if I click on it. If I'm logged in I get the warning banner with no clickable link to proceed. If I am not logged in I get the "File is unreviewed or not in the public domain" error. I also notice the site is significantly faster, is that only temporary? Is the public reopening still scheduled for the 1st, or today? [[User:Daphnis|Daphnis]] 11:42, 29 June 2008 (EDT)

And see the lang errors at the [[Dover_Publications|Dover]] page.
:To add to Daphnis' observation, it appears that a fair number, perhaps most, of the publisher pages have similar translation error issues.[[User:Carolus|Carolus]] 17:28, 29 June 2008 (EDT)

::Thank you both! Please keep the bug reports coming (if you find any) :-) I may or may not fix them before the reopening, but I would like to find all critical bugs, so that something does not go terribly wrong. Sometimes the indication of a critical bug might seem very tiny, hence my interest in all bugs.

::Daphnis, reopening is scheduled for around noon EST, June 30th. --[[User:Feldmahler|Feldmahler]] 17:44, 29 June 2008 (EDT)

:I added critical bugs to the Development page --[[User:Peter|Peter]] [[User talk:Peter|talk]] 18:12, 29 June 2008 (EDT)

::Thanks! Though... Daphnis says the site is significantly faster, and you say the site is significantly slower... maybe we need a third opinion ;) Problem with the disclaimer links fixed. --[[User:Feldmahler|Feldmahler]] 18:27, 29 June 2008 (EDT)

When I'm not logged in I'm still getting the "file not public domain in the U.S." error message when I try to view a non-PD file. Shouldn't the same disclaimer appear (with the "I agree..." download link) on all pages, or am I missing something? BTW, the title of that error message appears incorrect (<fmwcuspdisplay>). [[User:Daphnis|Daphnis]] 18:56, 29 June 2008 (EDT)

:The message will be fixed, and the behavior is actually intended. I will contact you with more information about this after IMSLP reopens (currently trying to cut the amount of stuff that I absolutely have to do to a bare minimum, certainly nothing personal :) ). But do keep reporting anything you think to be a bug. --[[User:Feldmahler|Feldmahler]] 19:03, 29 June 2008 (EDT)

::Well, I'm not sure if this is also related, but when I am NOT logged in, clicking on a file that is PD in the US and clicking the agree link redirects me to the temporary wiki page. [[User:Daphnis|Daphnis]] 19:06, 29 June 2008 (EDT)

:::Very good; this is exactly the sort of bug that I would like to have info on. In this particular case it is indeed a bug, though it actually has nothing to do with whether you are logged in or not, but with the file name. The recent D'Indy file is an example of such. --[[User:Feldmahler|Feldmahler]] 19:15, 29 June 2008 (EDT)

Further to what Daphnis said above ('clicking on a file that is PD in the US and clicking the agree link redirects me to the temporary wiki page')... it's just started doing that to me again. And I am logged in. [[User:Aldona|Aldona]] 06:25, 30 June 2008 (EDT)

::::Should I give you more specific info. or do some testing? [[User:Daphnis|Daphnis]] 19:18, 29 June 2008 (EDT)

:::::Sorry, my brain was not working today. I meant 'info' as in what you gave me already. I have found the bug, and it has just now been disposed of in my local copy of the code. I will upload all the changes and bugfixes at once later tonight or tomorrow morning. --[[User:Feldmahler|Feldmahler]] 19:23, 29 June 2008 (EDT)

== Features (and other things) that work just fine! ==

Since we have a section to report bugs, I hereby open a section to report things that DO work.

Creating a work page, uploading a file and adding info works. (tested it out with Devienne Flute Quartets).

Opening and downloading a work (selected at random) works. (tried it with Heller Caprice Brillant Op.33)

"Donate" feature works just fine (with paypal).

Keep up the good work![[User:Aldona|Aldona]] 23:17, 29 June 2008 (EDT)

:I really do need a vacation when this is over, lol. --[[User:Feldmahler|Feldmahler]] 00:11, 30 June 2008 (EDT)

== Cheering...and Torrent info ==

First, another "yay" that it's back. Love the fixes to the layout on individual pieces -- much more streamlined and intuitive. As for the problem with the torrent, well the reason it doesn't work is because it's set to "example.com" as the tracker URL...obviously that's not right. [[User:Melodia|♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫]] 16:46, 30 June 2008 (EDT)

== Great to "see you" again ==
Dear,
How lovely to be back. This is indeed a day to celebrate.
:D
take care. nachoba

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2008-06-30T22:52:42Z

NachoBA: /* Cheering...and Torrent info */

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NachoBA:

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== New Version (IMSLP 0.7) ==

I really like the clean, elegant look - congratulations. I noticed a couple of things from a visual / end user's POV:

1. The second info block is indented from both the left and right sides. This creates text oddities when the Urtext message template is in place in the misc. comments field - even colliding with the field name itself. Would it help to remove the idents? Since this block is a contrasting color with the upper one, the indents strike me a superfluous, esepcially the one on the right.

2. The file description now serves as the hot link to the PDF file itself. This created some issues in some pages like the one I was working on for [[Piano Transcriptions - Works of Various Composers (Godowsky, Leopold)|Godowsky's transcriptions]]. I'd originally put in direct links to the original version of the actual piece that Godowsky transcribed in addition to creating a link to the composer category in the subsection of the page. Because the name now serves as the file link, this is no longer possible. Would it be better (and more immediately obvious to the end user) if the common PDF icon (which one sees everywhere in the net these days) were positioned on the left side of the upper info-block to serve as the link to the file itself, which would free up the description field to function as it did before?

These are just style items more than anything, but they might make IMSLP that much easier to use. [[User:Carolus|Carolus]] 00:39, 11 February 2008 (EST)

:As to 2, why not use the "misc. notes" section? (unless I misunderstand what you want to do...) --[[User:Leonard Vertighel|Leonard Vertighel]] 10:47, 11 February 2008 (EST)

::The left indent also does not seem visually peaceful to me, so I don't think we need it, but I don't think it's the cause of the Urtext template problem. The right darker box is meant for the thumbnail pictures. Also, Feldmahler, I don't find the template anymore so that we can make minor modifications to it. Could you give us links for editing the file, composer and work templates? I have another long list of requests for things I can't program, but I'd better keep them for a while... Wouldn't you need someone who can do minor programming work for you? In other words, what can we do? --[[User:Peter|Peter]] [[User talk:Peter|talk]] 12:31, 11 February 2008 (EST)

:::Thanks for the feedback! I've removed the left indent (and hopefully it won't implode on IE... please check my change and see if it works Leonard :). Removing the right block (which like Peter says is for the thumbnail) should be possible too for entries without thumbnails, but requires coding, and so I'll put it on the todo list for the next IMSLP version (which will be out before IMSLP goes back online).

:::Carolus, for #1, it is not merely an indenting problem I believe (same problem exists even now that I've removed the left indent); it is probably a problem of the CSS. Maybe you can look into it Leonard? If changing the CSS is not possible, we can work around it in the Urtext template itself. For #2, the PDF icon is possible (and apparently that's what CPDL does), though my concern is that people might not understand what it means, and that you should click on it to download the file. It works on CPDL because they use many icons, but for IMSLP just putting an icon in the template may not be intuitive (though perhaps the icon + text works?). However, I know what you mean, and will think of ways around this. The easiest way is, like Leonard said, to put it in the Misc. Comments, but being able to use proper wiki-formatting (including links of course) in the description itself may be a good idea in the long run (and which makes all the fields in the template independent of any template-related extra formatting besides the absolutely necessary).

:::Peter, I basically copied the layout from [[IMSLP:Site_development/drafts|here]]. However, the real code of the template is actually in the [[Mediawiki:Common.css]] file, as referenced to by the templates (all the work entry related entries are prefixed 'we_'). I put the real template itself in the code because that decreases the parsing time by order of magnitude (if we had the old template IMSLP's server would have died from overload a long time ago), but since most of the formatting-related code is now in the Common.css file, you can edit it right in the wiki. Though it may be a good idea to test any edits in all browsers you can find (and most important of all, IE). Web designing for IE with all its brokenness is bad enough, but we have to here design for both IE and every other browser at the same time without using any browser detection methods, which is pain squared as I'm sure Leonard can attest to ;) However, editing a CSS file is not a piece of cake; if you don't think you can do what you want, you can ask Leonard and maybe he can do it when he has some free time.

:::Also Peter, please do request any additional coding you want; that way I can organize my coding time so that I can finish everything in the most optimal fashion. As for what you can do insofar as IMSLP coding and design is concerned, Common.css would probably be the major one that anyone (well, the admins) can edit in the wiki. As for the actual IMSLP PHP code, it would require a considerable amount of time for even PHP programmers to get the hang of it (the extensions and modifications to Mediawiki code itself is quite extensive), and so I think it'd be best for me to handle the core functions. However, I've been thinking of letting other people code some modularized sections (ex. the LoC cataloging system that we planned), but that's after IMSLP comes back up. :) --[[User:Feldmahler|Feldmahler]] 13:52, 11 February 2008 (EST)

Quick reply: '''IE''' - can't check right now. '''removing right block when unused''' - does it really look better? (no time to try right now) '''urtext template in file template''' - nests a '''div''' inside a '''p''', which is illegal and causes the layout problem. Requires a change in the html code of the file template (and the associated css). '''icons''' - I agree that they may be confusing for the occasional users. If you want to use them at all costs, provide also a textual explanation alongside. But be careful about the signal/noise ratio, in other words: try to avoid visual clutter that carries no information. What may seem perfectly obvious for the experienced users, may nonetheless be totally confusing for the occasional users (presumably the majority of all users). See also '''[[wikipedia:KISS principle|KISS principle]]'''. In any case, I think the download link should be the biggest and most noticeable one of the entire file entry. '''testing css changes''' - use your [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:User_style user style sheet] for testing, and run the code through the [http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/ validator] before applying it globally. Be sure to test in M$IE (at least 6+7; warning: may cause brain damage) as well as in at least one standards compliant browser (mozilla, opera,...). '''Coding''' - no more open sourcing? Hope to have more time when I'm back (see my user page). End of message. --[[User:Leonard Vertighel|Leonard Vertighel]] 16:59, 11 February 2008 (EST)

:Now there's a lot of information to process ;) I'll just answer the last question. Open sourcing will definitely happen; the problem is will people be willing to work on the IMSLP code even ''after'' it is open sourced, and then whether the work on the code will be of sufficiently high quality (integration) to be admitted into the repository. This is less of a problem with modularized code, but the core IMSLP code is heavily integrated within itself (more like Mediawiki core code vs. special pages). There is also ~5400 lines of it (not including modifications to Mediawiki code) which build on existing Mediawiki code and core Mediawiki functions. So essentially, the programmer would be required to have a good knowledge of Mediawiki internals '''plus''' the IMSLP extensions, whereas with a modularized special page (ex. the LoC catalog) the programmer only needs to know the basic Mediawiki special page/parser extension API. --[[User:Feldmahler|Feldmahler]] 21:01, 11 February 2008 (EST)

== some quick thoughts on those tab thingies ==

pro:
* makes long pages potentially easier to navigate;
* ...?
contra:
* longer clickpath on short pages (the majority?) with no added benefit;
* two rows of tabs with no clear hierarchical relationship between them are potentially confusing (for those who are not familiar with the Mediawiki interface);
* integrates badly with Mediawiki (at least the version you linked in irc): the "edit" link (and possibly others) doesn't do what you expect (i.e. open the actual page for editing).
Just my proverbial 2¢... --[[User:Leonard Vertighel|Leonard Vertighel]] 04:20, 18 February 2008 (EST)

:I concur with Leonard, and I see also some alternatives. The first suggestion would be facilitation of the use of the multifile template as discussed on irc. Secondly, I would propose to do a big layout update to improve overview and compactness. The situation as I see it is that the Leonard design is just beautiful, but is somewhat disturbed by the standard mediawiki layout (lines and spaces everywhere):
# In particular, the standard headings are disturbing the fluency. Do we actually need them? Some headers are not used, others are duplicate (composer name), others could maybe be incorporated in the work / composer template. I think its fairly easy to redesign these headers as they are in the style sheet.
# On long pages, one has to scroll to the end for the general information. How would the work template look on top?
# Is it feasible to redesign the left pane and top bars?
# Maybe a slightly smaller font, in general or just for some sections, would improve readability.
# A table of contents, if present, disturbs sometimes the layout.
# ...
:This would of course take a lot of work :( :( [[User:Peter|Peter]] [[User talk:Peter|talk]] 12:59, 18 February 2008 (EST)

I've set up [[IMSLP:Site development/Work page redesign|a page]] to address this, let's continue over there... --[[User:Leonard Vertighel|Leonard Vertighel]] 14:20, 18 February 2008 (EST)

== file template ==

By the way, there have been some changes to the file template that I don't quite understand:
* I had [[IMSLP:Site development/drafts|proposed]] to use "scanned by" rather than "scanner", in an attempt to prevent people putting "Epson" rather than the name/nick - what was wrong with that? ("uploaded by" was then just for consistency)
::This is an oversight on my part (didn't remember the previous discussion)... though I think one reason I changed to "scanner" was to match "uploader", because the uploader field is rather long, and having "uploaded by" would break many of them into two lines (unless the uploader name is very short). Though you do have a good point (and which has happened several times in the past).
* why do we need the redundant "Type: Scan, Scanner: ..." - if somebody scanned it, then what else could it be except a scan?
::Well, there are actually three types that would have a "Scanner": normal scan, manuscript scan, and original composition, hence the explicit type definition. If there is a way to incorporate the three into the description ("Scanner") that would be nice, and so we can get rid of the "Type" part.
:::Now I'm slightly confused: for an original composition (what's the exact definition, by the way? Previously unpublished?), how do you distinguish between scanned and typeset scores?
::::The answer is that this is a very hacked-together system lol. The original intent was to distinguish between scans (i.e. officially published typesets) and typesets (i.e. non-published typesets), but other stuff got piled on top of it and now we have four categories (scan, manuscript scan, typeset, original composition). The definition of original composition is rather uncertain... it should mean compositions of composers still alive, but perhaps we should remove this category altogether. The reason the category originally existed is because they don't fit nicely into either scan or typeset (or more to the point, the definition is pretty much pointless for them because usually it is the composer him/herself submitting it to IMSLP), but I suppose we can make do without a separate category. The other problem of course is to distinguish between manuscript scan and normal scan.
:::::The last one is easy: replace "Type: Scan, Scanner: ..." with "Scanned by ..." and "Type: Manuscript, Scanner: ..." with "Manuscript scanned by ...". Shorter, more fluid, same information content.
::::::Ok, I will make the necessary adjustments. I'll for now classify original composition as typesets.
* rating now is just a number with no explanation - not good imho, requires people to find and read some explanation to understand what is being rated (the music? the download speed? the performance difficulty? the haircut of the composer?)
--[[User:Leonard Vertighel|Leonard Vertighel]] 03:21, 19 February 2008 (EST)
::Well, I was mostly trying to cram the various things into one line... if you could suggest a way to do it and also be more explicit about the rating then I would certainly be implementing it :) The reason I didn't use the version in the drafts exactly is because it is broken into two lines (the "uploaded by" line is also broken into two for the second one). Perhaps we need to use smaller fonts? --[[User:Feldmahler|Feldmahler]] 11:19, 19 February 2008 (EST)
:::Weird... on my computer, with Firefox, it starts breaking only if I resize the window to less than 900px (at default font size)... how wide is your browser window? --[[User:Leonard Vertighel|Leonard Vertighel]] 12:03, 19 February 2008 (EST)
::::I'm using Konq, maximized with 1024x768 screen size. I think it may be because of difference in font sizes, plus the fact that the entry is fixed-width. Speaking of width, perhaps we should stop designing for 800x600 and instead aim for 1024x768 (and thus increase the width of the entry)? --[[User:Feldmahler|Feldmahler]] 12:27, 19 February 2008 (EST)
:::::I see, Konqueror has indeed overall a huge default font. Problem is, if we make it smaller, it gets too small for both Firefox and Opera (dunno about IE...). The entry is max-width rather than fixed-width (except for silly IE6, which goes full-width). We can thus easily increase the width, on narrow screens it will just be full-width. --[[User:Leonard Vertighel|Leonard Vertighel]] 12:52, 19 February 2008 (EST)
::::::That would be a very good idea. I believe Peter also requested something similar, to prevent lines from unnecessarily breaking. Plus, everything seems to be widescreen these days anyway ;) --[[User:Feldmahler|Feldmahler]] 15:53, 19 February 2008 (EST)

== composer template ==

Alternate names:
* "Alternate Names: None given" -> cognitive noise -> please remove ;)
::Removed both non-existant intersections and alternate names. :) --[[User:Feldmahler|Feldmahler]] 18:09, 22 February 2008 (EST)
* A better place (when they ''are'' given) might be under "Miscellaneous information"; maybe not perfect either, but IMHO it makes more sense than among the navigation links.
::Hmm... Is it possible to put it directly below the name itself (in smaller font obviously)? The "Misc. Information" section is for customized messages (it just takes a chunk of whatever you feed it and spits it out in that section without processing).
:::I guess that could work.

Edit help:
* Please not in every single template. We're trying to make them as compact as possible, to make it easier to get an overwiev of long work pages, among other things. If anything, then ''one'' link per page.
* One possibility could be to put it next to the edit link at the top of the page. Maybe remove the "discussion" link instead, since it's not used in the same way as on Wikipedia (And maybe we should rethink the site navigation as a whole, since it's currently more complex than Wikipedia's, which is a far bigger and more heterogeneous project than IMSLP.)
::Would a centralized help be better? We can use the "help" link in the sidebar, or even a special "help" section with a few sub-sections in the sidebar.
:::Centralized help sounds good. (The current one is a mess however, and I'm tempted to delete most of it and start from scratch.) Please no more subsections in the sidebar: as I was saying, we already have five sections where Wikipedia manages with two; that's too much already. Just think of how many people are unable to program a VCR. It's not a complicated task ''per se'', but most people will unknowingly refuse to figure out anything that ''looks'' complex. Navigation should be as few links as possible, and each one should have an immediately obvious meaning. Clearly this is not easy to achieve, and I'm certainly no master at this. But we should at least try... --[[User:Leonard Vertighel|Leonard Vertighel]] 04:04, 23 February 2008 (EST)

It goes without saying that there is no hurry as long as we're offline, just don't forget ;) --[[User:Leonard Vertighel|Leonard Vertighel]] 17:57, 22 February 2008 (EST)
::Well its easy enough to put in the code... in fact I'm doing this right now so I don't forget (the ones we agreed on that is). --[[User:Feldmahler|Feldmahler]] 18:09, 22 February 2008 (EST)

== Message when not PD in US ==
Hi Feldmahler,
I just came across something: I tried to open a score V / NotPDUS / V when I was not logged in yet, but there came an error message. I tested it with a file V / V / NotPDinEU -> this was working, though not PD in EU. Why this selective blocking if a file is not PD in US? Is it only temporarily? Hmm, I hope so... By the way, does the new IMSLP version contain a category mover to rename a composer? Several names are wrongly written. Regards and Happy Easter Holidays :), [[User:Hobbypianist|Hobbypianist]] 04:27, 21 March 2008 (EDT)

== The Second Coming of IMSLP ==

Thank you for the advance notice about estimated time of arrival! (Don't worry, my lips are sealed.) I'll try to upload as much as I can before then, and when IMSLP comes back up I'll probably go to ground for a little while and let everybody else play so that the whole thing doesn't crash.

Your perseverance and hard work throughout this whole affair has been legendary. If the Queen gives out awards to Canucks for service to the music community (like she does when it's Australia Day here), you should get one.

(off to work now...born to scan, forced to work!!)

[[User:Aldona|Aldona]] 17:47, 16 April 2008 (EDT)

:Thank you for the praise! I think many other IMSLP contributors (with yourself being at the top of the list) deserve as much praise, if not more :)

:Also, an update on the situation. I just had a talk with Carolus, and he corrected me that it is more likely IMSLP will be up in ~5-6 weeks. Apparently the name check is taking a long time (still ~3 weeks to go according to the lawyer). But after that it should be a breeze. In the meanwhile I get a chance to get some of the features squeezed in before IMSLP officially goes online :) --[[User:Feldmahler|Feldmahler]] 00:16, 17 April 2008 (EDT)

And we get some more time to contribute some more files.

Just passed 16,000 files and growing...and I can't even post a celebratory thread on the forum. Damn.

I'll try to confine myself to stuff that's definitely, unmistakeably PD without any doubts, so as not to overwork the copyright checking team.
[[User:Aldona|Aldona]] 08:24, 1 May 2008 (EDT)

:Thank you again for your tireless work on IMSLP! Even though we can't celebrate on the forums right now, we can simply roll it into one huge celebration once IMSLP comes back online ;) --[[User:Feldmahler|Feldmahler]] 01:14, 2 May 2008 (EDT)

== Problem??? ==

First I was unable to access IMSLP at all for 24 hours (from about this time yesterday, until now). Both from my home computer, and from the computer at work.

Now it's back and I am trying to add a work. I get a peculiar truncated version of the "add work" page; only a space for the work title, the composer name automatically filled in, and a box for "miscellaneous comments." That's all.

Has there been some kind of bug or glitch in the system?

[[User:Aldona|Aldona]] 17:46, 16 June 2008 (EDT)

:Hi Aldona! Sorry for the problems you were (and are) experiencing. I was upgrading IMSLP over the weekend, and hence the downtime... I should have notified people earlier, but I had everything ready and thought that I'd just do it, since the time left is not that much (and leave more time for general testing). The shortened Add Work page is actually not an error, but a result of the split of IMSLP into IMSLP and IMDBP (http://imdbp.org , just go to the Recent Changes and click "Show bot edits"), which means that all information on a page resides on IMDBP, but which IMSLP "embeds" into the work page. The edit link for the info section will ultimately point to the corresponding IMDBP page (I have not yet set everything up correctly). After adding an IMSLP work page you will also see an error for the info section (because there is no corresponding IMDBP page), but functionality is not impaired, and that error will turn into a link to the corresponding IMDBP page-creator once I actually get more of this stuff linked (the pages are there, just not linked properly).

:Hope this helps, and sorry for the inconvenience! I really should have sent out a message in advance. But this is a rather necessary (and huge) upgrade prior to the restart of IMSLP because there is a third project in planning, and IMDBP is necessary for everything to happen. Many of the prior niceties may be broken, but as this week progresses I aim to get IMSLP back to (better than) the original working state. Please do tell me if there are any broken parts or bugs that you think I have overlooked (the only known one currently for the IMSLP side is the bad edit link)...

:Again, sorry! --[[User:Feldmahler|Feldmahler]] 21:27, 16 June 2008 (EDT)

Thank you and keep up the good work - I'll go easy on the uploads and just concentrate on scanning things for a few days until things settle down.

(reflex action - whenever the site goes down without warning I get flashbacks to Oct 20-21 and think the worst - e.g. that IMSLP is under attack again by hackers, music publishers, aliens or other malevolent forces ;-))

[[User:Aldona|Aldona]] 21:47, 16 June 2008 (EDT)

:One thing I just noticed: The field "Scanner" appears to with the label "Unknown." The default for that field is the term ''Unknown'' (in italics), so that most of these I've seen read: Unknown: ''Unknown''. Also, the link just beneath the "General Info" section goes only to the main page instead of to a place where the General Info can be edited. (You probably already know about that one, though.) - [[User:Carolus|Carolus]] 22:38, 16 June 2008 (EDT)

Hi Feldmahler. I'm also noticing lots of weird happenings here, for example the intrusion of the Greek and English U.S. copyright warnings on some pages that apply (see [http://imslp.org/wiki/Bacchus_et_Ariane%2C_Op.43_(Roussel%2C_Albert) Roussel's page]). I also can't seem to edit the General Information on a piece even after clicking the "Click this link..." link. I also don't think I'm getting email notifications like I should (although nothing has changed on my end), but I'm not sure this is related. [[User:Daphnis|Daphnis]] 08:48, 20 June 2008 (EDT)
:The multiple-language copyright warnings is because I disabled the old IFLANG function in favor of the new IFLANG parser function which is much cleaner (ex. <nowiki>{{#iflang:en=a|es=b|el=c}}</nowiki>), but some of those pages have not migrated yet. I will make sure that the migration of IFLANG is complete before launch.
:The edit link should bring you to the IMDBP information page, and editing any information on that page will automatically update the IMSLP page. If you are having problems with this process, please do tell me.
:E-mail notification for wishlist items are temporarily disabled because of load concerns (like Wikipedia). If load is fine after IMSLP comes back up, I will probably re-enable e-mail notification...
:Thanks for the reports! If you feel something is out of place or buggy, do report it to me. :-) --[[User:Feldmahler|Feldmahler]] 10:58, 20 June 2008 (EDT)
::I still haven't changed the templates because I thought the table inside the function didn't work yet. If you want me to change them, just give me a signal! Btw my mail is still delayed, I know. --[[User:Peter|Peter]] [[User talk:Peter|talk]] 14:34, 20 June 2008 (EDT)
:::Thanks for standing by :) I already added a function that will allow it to work, but apparently that function is currently broken (I have yet to debug that part). However, I wanted to ask whether it is possible to use #iflang inside the table, and not outside it? I did a quick check of one of the problem templates, and it seems very possible to just put the #iflang inside the table... don't know if that holds for the others though. --[[User:Feldmahler|Feldmahler]] 12:05, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
::Of course! I should think more outside the box. It works for not too complex templates (e.g. all important copyright notification templates that need a priority on translating), but not if there are new rows inside the iflang because of the "|" (e.g. [[Template:Beethoven String Quartets]]). Other pages like [[Browse by composer time period]] should imo better be translated on a different page instead of using the iflang, because the page code just gets too complex. The choice of using iflang or not should be made based on the risk of loosing an important page modification in the translations. On the other hand, while Jujimufu did an excellent job on translating every title in the publisher pages, adding iflang code for every language in every line would make it impossible to have a coherent view on the page structure. A solution would be substituting the table contents from one common source page, but this again makes everything very complex. We'll see - one translation is manageable for now.--[[User:Peter|Peter]] [[User talk:Peter|talk]] 16:50, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
:::I have programmed an extension to the template function (for *all* templates, actually) that solves the problem of the pipe ('|') symbol. Unfortunately, for whatever reason the extension is not working properly yet, but I will make it work properly :) For longer pages, it might be a good idea to have completely separate page instead of #iflang as you say (I think this is the norm already, at least for some pages).

:::Regardless, there will probably be details that need to be ironed out (ex. what the limit of when to use #iflang and when to use a separate page is, how to distinguish outdated translations, etc), but most translations should be functioning correctly after I fix the bug with the new template input format (I'll announce the technical details after I fix it).

:::Also, 10000+ works, and a new name :) More info in the news entry I'm going to write now. --[[User:Feldmahler|Feldmahler]] 17:30, 21 June 2008 (EDT)

hehehe...those flute sonatas by the Sons of Bach have pushed us over the 10,000 work mark. I didn't see that until you pointed it out.

I've just discovered what a wonderful gold-mine my "Commercially Available Resource" music CD-roms are turning out to be - especially as I have some without the commercial logo. The only headache-inducing bit is precisely identifying and cataloging the works. (any idea how many works Quantz wrote that are simply titled "Flute Concerto in G"??) [[User:Aldona|Aldona]] 18:36, 21 June 2008 (EDT)

:Feldmahler, I sent you an email using the mail this user link on this page, because I don't know what address you are using at the moment.--[[User:Peter|Peter]] [[User talk:Peter|talk]] 03:52, 22 June 2008 (EDT)

::Can you resend it to my feldmahler {at} imslp.org address? It seems like my account still has the old imslp@imslp.org one... Thanks! --[[User:Feldmahler|Feldmahler]] 21:33, 22 June 2008 (EDT)

Hi, It appears the Piano Concerto Navigator in the Mozart Piano Concerto pages does not parse with the new version of the software. I've not checked any of the other similar navigation aids (Bach Cantatas, etc. ) but it might be worth looking at a few. [[User:Carolus|Carolus]] 02:14, 24 June 2008 (EDT)
:One of the things that makes the template system choke (which I have not realized before) are raw tables ({| |}) in the page. The template essentially treats all '|' signs in the tables as argument delimiters, which wrecks havoc with the table. Good thing is, raw tables are usually not necessary in templates, and when they are necessary (as in the navigation aids), they are usually better served by template inclusion (like the Beethoven Sonatas).

:However, I will be trying to fix this problem myself, so you can wait for the fix if you don't want to edit those pages and replace the navigation aid with a template. That said, in the long run it may be a good idea insofar as maintenance is concerned to have them all using one template... --[[User:Feldmahler|Feldmahler]] 11:54, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

Feldmahler, something screwy keeps happening when I add files. First, when adding a new composition and file for Vincent d'Indy, it fills out his name without the apostrophe, so I had to move it manually. Then, when adding a file to an existing page for Enescu, it screws up that work page and is unviewable from the composer's page now. Can you see what's going on here? I've got a ton of stuff to upload before the reopening and can't be bothering you for each oddity :) [[User:Daphnis|Daphnis]] 21:39, 26 June 2008 (EDT)

:I've fixed the d'Indy bug, but are you still experiencing the Enescu one? I cannot seem to find any example of the problem. The Romanian Rhapsodies are properly under the Enescu category, just categorized under 'R' and not '2'. --[[User:Feldmahler|Feldmahler]] 17:45, 27 June 2008 (EDT)

::I just made some cosmetic and language changes to the [[MediaWiki:CUSP:Disclaimer|CUSP disclaimer]] so they are in line with those recommended by the IP attorney. Also, there's some weirdness with a couple of work pages I ran across in the past few days. Here are links to them: 1. [[Toccata (Davidson, Robert)|Toccata]], 2. [[Concerto for Recorder, Oboe, Violin and Piano (St. George Tucker, Tui)|Concerto for Recorder, Oboe, Violin and Piano]]
::[[User:Carolus|Carolus]] 19:15, 27 June 2008 (EDT)

:::Thanks, but I think Carolus must have gotten to it before you did, or the system somehow corrected itself and it was only a temporary bug. In any case, it seems to be ok now. Speaking of the CUSP, would you expound on this filtration system and if the CUSP message will only be displayed for users about to download a non-PD work in their country, or will it effectively block downloading? Oh, and when will you re-activate email alerts? [[User:Daphnis|Daphnis]] 22:07, 27 June 2008 (EDT)

::::Thanks for the links Carolus. There is a somewhat sizable list (a dozen or so) of pages that for whatever reason failed to convert. Many was due to an ampersand (&) in the page name, but apparently a few was not. I had been wanting to fix this for quite a while (to be precise, ever since the bot converted all the pages), but am still swamped with stuff I need to get done before reopening Sunday (Saturday afternoon probably impossible, unfortunately). This dozen or so unconverted pages will probably have to wait until after IMSLP goes back up...

::::Daphnis, do report any further occurrences of this. The disclaimer will at first apply every time a file is downloaded, but I will have a system in place so that you only need to click on it once in a month or so. The disclaimer is not by any means a filtration system; it is merely a warning that IMSLP is not liable for any damages. It will in no case block downloading.

::::E-mail alerts will be reactivated after IMSLP goes back up. Currently I am trying to shorten the list of things that absolutely must be done prior to IMSLP's relaunch, and since e-mail alerts are not absolutely essential (I assume), I'll leave them until after the resurrection... I really need to keep a list of those things :)

::::Also, reopening is scheduled for Sunday (June 29th) and not Tuesday the 1st. I will, however, be taking the site offline for what is probably a substantial while later today (Saturday). --[[User:Feldmahler|Feldmahler]] 23:44, 27 June 2008 (EDT)

== Site Errors ==

Feldmahler, I noticed that I cannot view a file that is not-PD in the US if I click on it. If I'm logged in I get the warning banner with no clickable link to proceed. If I am not logged in I get the "File is unreviewed or not in the public domain" error. I also notice the site is significantly faster, is that only temporary? Is the public reopening still scheduled for the 1st, or today? [[User:Daphnis|Daphnis]] 11:42, 29 June 2008 (EDT)

And see the lang errors at the [[Dover_Publications|Dover]] page.
:To add to Daphnis' observation, it appears that a fair number, perhaps most, of the publisher pages have similar translation error issues.[[User:Carolus|Carolus]] 17:28, 29 June 2008 (EDT)

::Thank you both! Please keep the bug reports coming (if you find any) :-) I may or may not fix them before the reopening, but I would like to find all critical bugs, so that something does not go terribly wrong. Sometimes the indication of a critical bug might seem very tiny, hence my interest in all bugs.

::Daphnis, reopening is scheduled for around noon EST, June 30th. --[[User:Feldmahler|Feldmahler]] 17:44, 29 June 2008 (EDT)

:I added critical bugs to the Development page --[[User:Peter|Peter]] [[User talk:Peter|talk]] 18:12, 29 June 2008 (EDT)

::Thanks! Though... Daphnis says the site is significantly faster, and you say the site is significantly slower... maybe we need a third opinion ;) Problem with the disclaimer links fixed. --[[User:Feldmahler|Feldmahler]] 18:27, 29 June 2008 (EDT)

When I'm not logged in I'm still getting the "file not public domain in the U.S." error message when I try to view a non-PD file. Shouldn't the same disclaimer appear (with the "I agree..." download link) on all pages, or am I missing something? BTW, the title of that error message appears incorrect (<fmwcuspdisplay>). [[User:Daphnis|Daphnis]] 18:56, 29 June 2008 (EDT)

:The message will be fixed, and the behavior is actually intended. I will contact you with more information about this after IMSLP reopens (currently trying to cut the amount of stuff that I absolutely have to do to a bare minimum, certainly nothing personal :) ). But do keep reporting anything you think to be a bug. --[[User:Feldmahler|Feldmahler]] 19:03, 29 June 2008 (EDT)

::Well, I'm not sure if this is also related, but when I am NOT logged in, clicking on a file that is PD in the US and clicking the agree link redirects me to the temporary wiki page. [[User:Daphnis|Daphnis]] 19:06, 29 June 2008 (EDT)

:::Very good; this is exactly the sort of bug that I would like to have info on. In this particular case it is indeed a bug, though it actually has nothing to do with whether you are logged in or not, but with the file name. The recent D'Indy file is an example of such. --[[User:Feldmahler|Feldmahler]] 19:15, 29 June 2008 (EDT)

Further to what Daphnis said above ('clicking on a file that is PD in the US and clicking the agree link redirects me to the temporary wiki page')... it's just started doing that to me again. And I am logged in. [[User:Aldona|Aldona]] 06:25, 30 June 2008 (EDT)

::::Should I give you more specific info. or do some testing? [[User:Daphnis|Daphnis]] 19:18, 29 June 2008 (EDT)

:::::Sorry, my brain was not working today. I meant 'info' as in what you gave me already. I have found the bug, and it has just now been disposed of in my local copy of the code. I will upload all the changes and bugfixes at once later tonight or tomorrow morning. --[[User:Feldmahler|Feldmahler]] 19:23, 29 June 2008 (EDT)

== Features (and other things) that work just fine! ==

Since we have a section to report bugs, I hereby open a section to report things that DO work.

Creating a work page, uploading a file and adding info works. (tested it out with Devienne Flute Quartets).

Opening and downloading a work (selected at random) works. (tried it with Heller Caprice Brillant Op.33)

"Donate" feature works just fine (with paypal).

Keep up the good work![[User:Aldona|Aldona]] 23:17, 29 June 2008 (EDT)

:I really do need a vacation when this is over, lol. --[[User:Feldmahler|Feldmahler]] 00:11, 30 June 2008 (EDT)

== Cheering...and Torrent info ==

First, another "yay" that it's back. Love the fixes to the layout on individual pieces -- much more streamlined and intuitive. As for the problem with the torrent, well the reason it doesn't work is because it's set to "example.com" as the tracker URL...obviously that's not right. [[User:Melodia|♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫]] 16:46, 30 June 2008 (EDT)

== Great to "see you" again
Dear,
How lovely to be back. This is indeed a day to celebrate.
:D
take care.

User talk:Funper/archive3

2007-10-18T23:10:46Z

NachoBA: /* Gaudeamus igitur. Concert paraphrase, S.240 (Liszt, Franz) */

==Archive pages for this talk page==
*[[User talk:Funper/archive1|Archive 1 (Mar. 2, 2007 - May 23, 2007)]]
*[[User talk:Funper/archive2|Archive 2 (May 25, 2007 - Oct. 11, 2007)]]

== [[Gaudeamus igitur. Concert paraphrase, S.240 (Liszt, Franz)]] ==

Hi. This NLA edition is to my knowledge copyright '''2001''' (Worldcat + NLA website), and not pre-1989. I can be wrong, but you'll have to prove that this publication is older. So its status is back on copyright review since this is the status with most evidence until now. Liszt or not, we can't make exceptions - how hard it might be for the enthusiast ... Best regards [[User:Peter|Peter]] [[User talk:Peter|talk]] 16:07, 17 October 2007 (EDT)
:Frrtt....! (I'm sorry, this is the closest I can get to a very ''special'' sound, no matter how hard it might be to squeeze one). I assumed that it was ''Series 1, Volume 16 (Klavier-Versionen Eigener Werke II), 1982, Z.8859.'' since it is an original work, but obviously emb doesn't care about Searle's numbering (Raabe). It is post-1989 so it should be removed. See it is not that hard to talk to the entusiast! I, like yourself, "don't want anything to happen to IMSLP." --[[User:Funper|Funper]] [[User talk:Funper|talk]] 16:22, 17 October 2007 (EDT)

== Liszt Organ Works ==
Hi Funper, thanks for your words. I will continue scanning more works and no problem in doing it in monochrome.
Take care.
NachoBA

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2007-10-16T17:30:29Z

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== Archive pages for this talk page ==
* [[User talk:Mcroskell/archive 1]] ( - {{#makedate:2007|7|15}})

== John Ireland - Decorations ==

Hi, firstly thank you for the work the the MIT archive, the John Foulds piece is a stunning find for me! I just noticed that John Ireland's suite 'Decorations' is under the name 'Declarations' - I assume this is how it was labelled originally or it may just be a slip on your part (But I doubt it since you're a pianist =p). I know how to edit pages but not the original file names so I thought I would let you know.

--[[User:Alex.|Alex.]] 13:46, 16 August 2007 (EDT)

== Thanks for the Ives pieces! ==

Can't thank you enough!

[[User:celloguy|celloguy]] 23:26, 12 August 2007

== Pictures Bernard van Dieren and Arthur Foote ==

I was surprised by the very good quality of the Bernard van Dieren-picture though he died in 1936.
Are you sure this is the right Bernard van Dieren? I'm aware of other internet-sites they used this picture, but I'm still wondering if this is the right one.
But no doubt, I don't know a picture of him, either.

The same feeling I had looking at the picture of Arthur Foote.
I think the man on 'your' picture is a Unitarian Minister with the same name, but a little bit younger: [http://www.harvardsquarelibrary.org/unitarians/foote.html]
Maybe the right Arthur Foote is this guy: [http://www.naxos.com/composerinfo/350.htm] --[[User:I. de Zwarte|I. de Zwarte]] 10:37, 15 July 2007 (EDT)
:You're definitely right on the Arthur Foote picture, I've gone ahead & changed it to the other picture you linked to. As far as the Van Dieren, I also thought that it was an unusually clear picture for someone who died so long ago. However, since many sites seem to be using it as his picture I don't think it hurts to leave it up for now. If you find any definitive evidence that it's not him or find a different picture of him that seems more likely to actually be him, feel free to go ahead and change it.[[User:Mcroskell|Mcroskell]] 11:14, 15 July 2007 (EDT)
::Nice picture additions of the other composers you've done. It certainly adds a nice dimension to their pages! Keep up the good work! [[User:Daphnis|Daphnis]] 22:47, 26 July 2007 (EDT)
:::Well I've come to the end of composers that have pictures readily accessible through google searches. I think around 4/5 or so of composers should have a picture now. It would be nice if we could get one for every page but that may be an unreachable goal. It would be nice if there could be a page that would list the composers that don't have pictures linked on their composer page so it would be easily apparent who is missing. This could also be done for composition lists as well. After all if we're aiming to collect all the public domain sheet music in the world, there's no reason we couldn't try to have work lists and pictures for every composer as well![[User:Mcroskell|Mcroskell]] 23:03, 26 July 2007 (EDT)
::::The page listing composers without pictures is easy to do; I will do it when I add the picture to the composer template in a few days :) I'll see if I can ask Leonard to write a bot that moves the picture entry into the composer template itself for the current composers with pictures (should be fairly easy).

::::Also, thanks for all the work on IMSLP! :) --[[User:Feldmahler|Feldmahler]] 13:36, 27 July 2007 (EDT)
:::::Thanks Feldmahler, is there any way this could also be done for composition lists. I try to add a few a week, but it would make it much easier if I could see exactly who was missing them now that we have well over a hundred already done. Also, will these pages be able to be self updating so that anytime a new composer is added they appear on the list, and are removed once a picture or composition list is added to their page. [[User:Mcroskell|Mcroskell]] 21:37, 27 July 2007 (EDT)
::::::As long as the composition list is part of the composer template this would be very easy. And I think using categories would be as effective as having an actual page, plus we get to use existing functions instead of reinventing the wheel :) The only downside is that you will have to manually purge the cache by adding "&action=purge" to the URL of the (list, not composer) category (or wait 3 days for the cache to automatically purge); otherwise it should work nicely.

::::::In any case, I've prepared for nearly a month of coding in August, so this should be fixed very soon. :) Along with many other feature requests. --[[User:Feldmahler|Feldmahler]] 22:03, 27 July 2007 (EDT)

== Cesar Cui: Opus 40 ==

thanks thanks THANKS for upload. I live in the house and the park where Cui composed these pieces and will have them performed at my upcoming 50th birthday. (Looking for good pianist...) regards, Peter
:No problem, glad there's other people out there with an interest in Cui's music. I picked up a CD with his Op.64 preludes on it a while back and really liked them. I imagine I'll get around to learning a few someday. Happy 50th (I'm only halfway there myself).[[User:Mcroskell|Mcroskell]] 00:23, 19 July 2007 (EDT)

== Wonder ==

Do the MIT collection also consist of Grieg scores?
Would be nice !?[[User:Abra|Abra]]
:I'm actually doing the G's right now, so I should be getting to Grieg within the next few days. Hopefully it will have some of the scores we are currently missing.[[User:Mcroskell|Mcroskell]] 21:34, 26 July 2007 (EDT)

Would be nice , you make an enormous work here
-it seems that you are living inside a music library :)[[User:Abra|Abra]]

== great site ==

Great site. Is there a way to contact members privately?

Is there a section where one can post requests, or wants, so that kind uploaders such as Mcroskell can prioritise what they upload, if they have a large collection.
:Hi Emj999, you can contact members privately by sending them a Private message or email through the forums. I'm not sure if there's a way to do it through the main site though. As far as posting requests, visit the [http://imslp.org/wiki/IMSLP:Wishlist Wishlist] (it can be accessed through the contributor portal) and you can add anything you'd like to see posted. Currently I'm finishing up the last of the MIT project composers, but once I'm done I plan to take a look at the wishlist & see what requests I'm able to fill. Also, don't forget to sign your messages on the user talk pages with four ~, so that your signature will appear at the end of the message.

Thanks. How do I send a Private Message? I really don't know how to use this site very well! I have added a few pieces to the "Wishlist" - thanks for pointing that out to me. If you can search an individual user's wishlist, please tell me how! I have lots of rare scores myself, but I don't know how to post them. One of the scores I added to the wishlist, I have actually just now found. It contains a logo stamped on it. I don't know how to remove tihs from a PDF file. Am happy to e-mail the file to anyone who knows how to do it, for upload. [It's Rubinstein's so-called "Etude on false notes" (1868), which has no opus number.]

Please feel free to contact me through the Private message method, if you can see my e-mail address.

There is also another user I can help, who is searching for Liszt scores, but I don't know how to make contact. [[User:Emj999|Emj999]] 01:57, 29 July 2007 (EDT)
:To send people a PM or email through the forums, just click on the forums link on the left side of the screen. Once there you have to sign up for an account. Then just find a post by the person you want to send a message to (or search for their user name) and click the PM or Email icon at the bottom of their post to bring up the corresponding page.
:As far as wish lists go, currently there are no individual wish list, just one large one for the entire community. If you need some help figuring out how to post scores just go to the [http://imslp.org/wiki/IMSLP:Contributor_Portal Contributor Portal] & read up on the section entitled "Contributing Music Scores." The whole process can be a bit confusing at first but once you've done a few it's a breeze.
:If you don't have Adobe Acrobat, removing images or logos from PDF's can be kind of a hassle. I can do it for you if you'd like. [[User:Mcroskell|Mcroskell]] 02:11, 29 July 2007 (EDT)

Thanks. I have tried to send you a private message. Don't know if I did it right. I don't have Adobe Acrobat. I have just the free reader. If you can contact me by e-mail, I can mail you the score. That's very kind of you to clean it, and then post it. I am sure we have a lot to discuss! [[User:Emj999|Emj999]] 03:12, 29 July 2007 (EDT)

== Transcription merging ==

Hi Mcroskell! Just a heads up that I've responded on my talk page :) Sorry for the late response; I was away. --[[User:Feldmahler|Feldmahler]] 00:19, 3 August 2007 (EDT)

== Grieg stuff ==

By the way
If you are interested:
*1. www.Bergen.folkebibl.no
*2.Lytt til Griegs musikk
*3. Manus
A lot of Grieg manuscripts scanned in
The EG 106 is taken from here.
Very interesting to study!
Most of the rest is in universitetsbiblioteket in Oslo, but not digitalized!
--[[User:Abra|Abra]] 20:52, 7 August 2007 (EDT)

== US server upload ==

Hi Mcroskell! The US server upload works again :) I'll process the uploaded files probably later tonight. --[[User:Feldmahler|Feldmahler]] 22:56, 12 August 2007 (EDT)

== Bach: Concerto BWV 1056 ==

Hi Mcroskell, It looks like you've duplicated a file we already have (under the general Concerti page) of the 2-piano arrangement by Roisman and Nathanson pub. by Muzgiz. Is this a better scan - or is it the exact same file? It looks the the same one to me, but I'm not absolutely sure and wanted to check w/you.

Thanks, [[User:Carolus|Carolus]] 23:12, 17 August 2007 (EDT)
:Hey Carolus, yeah I guess that would be the same scan, you can go ahead & delete it. I just went and looked at the composition list and saw that piece wasn't linked so I didn't realize it was already uploaded. Sorry for the confusion. Also, I've noticed several times that you've deleted pieces because they contain a CDSM or everynote logo (the most recent being the elgar concerto & dvorak piano trio). Since that's all that is wrong with the files couldn't someone just edit out the offending graphic and reupload the file rather than delete the whole thing. The person who uploaded it may not be able to edit pdf's and thus deleting it means it won't be reuploaded. Anyway, I would be happy to do this anytime since it only takes a minute or two and that way we can still avoid copyright infringement and keep the file up as well.[[User:Mcroskell|Mcroskell]] 23:19, 17 August 2007 (EDT)

Hi, Mcroskell. It would be great if you can easily get rid of the logos, etc. I really didn't like having to delete those - but the poster is often an unregistered user who left no address, etc. If you're willing to fix the items with offending logos, I'll just drop you a note and leave it in place with under copyright review status - thanks. About the Soviet pubs. with the "K" (usually it's C. #### K.): Sovietskii Kompozitor was a division that tended to specialize in original works of Soviet composers, though it did publish arrangements and transcriptions as well. My general rule for dealing with Soviet stuff is that editions of past composers like Tchaikovsky, etc. are fair game, while arrangements, transcriptions, and (especially) original works (of more recent composers like Miaskovsky, etc.) have to be reviewed much more carefully. The big series of NIEs for Soviet-era works that was filed by Schirmer did not nclude any for editions. It consisted mainly of claims for original works, with a few transcriptions and arrangements thrown in. BTW, thanks for being so good about including the publication info. It really makes the reviewing and verification job much easier. [[User:Carolus|Carolus]] 16:09, 20 August 2007 (EDT)

== Heller files ==

Hey!

Sorry about the Heller files. I didn't know they belonged to larger collections of pieces. I will try and find more info about each individual pieces and place them in their respective categories. I am no big fan of Heller anyway, so I wouldn't know where these pieces belonged anyway.

Take care! ~ [[User:Jujimufu|jujimufu]] 20:15, 22 August 2007 (EDT)

== CDSM cleanups ==

Hi again, Mcroskell!

Here's the start of a list of offending titles that have CDSM, Everynote, or Elibron logos. Looks like Arturo and Ras1 are also interested in doing this, which is really great. I won't have to zap them. Thanks, [[User:Carolus|Carolus]] 23:28, 22 August 2007 (EDT)

[[24 Piano Studies for the Left Hand, Op.718 (Czerny, Carl)]] - CDSM 
[[Duetts for Violas (Bach, Wilhelm Friedemann)]] - ZJTC Music. Appears to be a reprint of an older edition. 
[[Canzona, Op.55 (Bruch, Max)]] - Elibron 
[[Piano Concerto No.26, K.537 (Mozart, Wolfgang Amadeus)]] - (2 piano red.) The Paul Badura-Skoda candenzas (pp. 55-57) need to be eliminated 
[[Piano Concerto No.27, K.595 (Mozart, Wolfgang Amadeus)]] - another Badura-Skoda cadenza (last page) has to go 
[[Cello Concerto No.1 (Bach, Johann Sebastian)]] - EveryNote, It's woefully mis-identified anyway. Not sure what the BWV is. 
:Hey Carolus, I'm getting started editing these files. Do you know how long it takes before the new version shows up. Looking at the [http://imslp.org/wiki/Image:Czerny_-_24_Piano_Studies_for_the_Left_Hand%2C_Op.718_%28Piano%29.PDF file page] for the Czerny piece, you can see that I've uploaded the new file which is now smaller do to parts being cropped out. However, when you click on the file the old version still shows up. Also, is the best way to do this to go to the file page and hit upload a new version of this file and then save as the same name, thus overwriting the old file?
Hi, I think the method you describe is the one that's supposed to work. Also, the copyright status tag was changed, so I could tell you had uploaded a new version of the file. You might want to double check with Feldmahler just to be sure, since he's the real technical expert when it comes to knowing excatly how you should upload items, etc. It could be one of those things that requires the "parser" to go through its routine in order to actually show up as the new file when you click on the link. Cheers, [[User:Carolus|Carolus]] 01:10, 23 August 2007 (EDT)
:Ok, they've all been reuploaded. Hope I did everything OK. For the Bruch file, the & in the filename was causing an error when trying to get to the image file page, so I just reuploaded a new version (sans elibron) without an & in the filename to the workpage and the old file and info can be deleted from it.[[User:Mcroskell|Mcroskell]] 01:27, 23 August 2007 (EDT)
Nice job! I've fixed the Bruch page and it appears to be fine now. Here's the start of the next list. [[User:Carolus|Carolus]] 03:11, 23 August 2007 (EDT)

[[Viola concerto BWV 1053 (Bach, Johann Sebastian)]]- ZJTC Music. Appears to be a reprint of an older edition. '''Done''' 

Here's an Elibron, uploaded by our newbie (botton one): [[Cello Sonata, Op.19 (Rachmaninoff, Sergei)]] '''Done'''

Here's another one of those (Japanese?) ZJTC items: [[Viola Concerto in G major (Telemann, Georg Philipp)]] '''Done'''

Another EveryNote item: [[Seasons, Op.37a (Tchaikovsky, Pyotr Ilyich)]] (cello arr. at bottom). Thanks. '''Done'''

You're the fastest cleanup in the west! Here's another: [[Cello Concerto in C Major, RV 398 (Vivaldi, Antonio)]] '''Done'''

== Balakirew composition list ==
Dear Mcroskell, a little thing concerning the composition list: there are lots of German expressions. Should I translate them? Some works might have been published under German titles by (probably German) publishers...but I really have no idea. Maybe english is more comprehensible. I just wanted to ask you before doing it. [[User:Hobbypianist|Hobbypianist]] 15:33, 3 September 2007 (EDT)
:Yes absolutely, the only sites where I could find a comprehensive list of works were both in German. I put the pages into google translate but that only helped somewhat. For pieces with actual descriptive titles, I figured it was better to have a correct German one than a garbled English translation for the time being. But it would be great if you could translate them. If you don't mind and have the time, you might also take a look at the Glinka composition list as the same issue arises there. Thanks a ton.[[User:Mcroskell|Mcroskell]] 15:48, 3 September 2007 (EDT)
::yes, of course, I'll look after Glinka's composition list, too. Balakirev's is finished now....as much as I could translate. Feel free to correct it in case it sounds weird ;-) [[User:Hobbypianist|Hobbypianist]] 15:26, 4 September 2007 (EDT)

== Schubert Symphonies for solo piano ==

Just wanted to thank you for your postings- just what I always wanted! Have the 8th and 9th but always wanted the earlier ones.

Could you help? I've opened no.2 without any hassle, but no.1 stubbornly refuses to open- any suggestions?
Cheers

[[User:Mattalban|Mattalban]] 17:00, 3 September 2007 (EDT)
:I don't know what to tell you, I just saved it to my computer & it opened up just fine. If it still refuses to work for you let me know and I guess I can email you a copy.[[User:Mcroskell|Mcroskell]] 17:04, 3 September 2007 (EDT)

== Brian post-1923 work ==

Hello Mcroskell! As I'm a bit of a Brian nut (I recently uploaded the sole pre-1923 score to be found [[3_Illuminations_(Brian,_Havergal)|here]]), may I enquire which work was in the MIT archive? Regards, Philip Legge [[User:Pml|♇]] [[Special:Emailuser/Pml|@]] [[Special:Contributions/Pml|©]] [[User_talk:Pml|Φ]] 19:35, 9 September 2007 (EDT)

:Hi there, the score is an edition of his complete piano works. I can e-mail it to you if you don't already have it & would like to add it to your collection. Let me know.[[User:Mcroskell|Mcroskell]] 19:48, 9 September 2007 (EDT)

::No need, I have the same volume :-) It was worth asking anyway! Philip Legge [[User:Pml|♇]] [[Special:Emailuser/Pml|@]] [[Special:Contributions/Pml|©]] [[User_talk:Pml|Φ]] 22:28, 9 September 2007 (EDT)

== Heller sonata 4 ==

Thank you for posting this - I have the recording on ENS/CNR by Sergio Marengoni, and first read of the work (and probably of the composer too) back in 1988 or so in W. Newman's Sonata since Beethoven. [[User:Schissel|Eric]] 08:26, 10 September 2007 (EDT)

== Adminship ==

Hi Mcroskell! As Peter brought up on the [http://www.imslpforums.org/viewtopic.php?t=484 forums], IMSLP currently needs more admins to help out, and I was wondering if you would be willing to be an admin. You've been contributing to IMSLP for a long time, so you should be quite fit for the job :) --[[User:Feldmahler|Feldmahler]] 03:18, 11 September 2007 (EDT)
:Hi Feldmahler, I'd be happy to help out by being an Admin. I'll go ahead & reply on the forum topic.[[User:Mcroskell|Mcroskell]] 10:50, 11 September 2007 (EDT)

== Welcome to Adminship ==

I don't think much needs to be said :) Guidelines for admins can be found [[IMSLP:Administrators|here]]... if you have more questions feel free to ask me! Good luck! --[[User:Feldmahler|Feldmahler]] 11:07, 11 September 2007 (EDT)

== Godowsky revised editions ==

Hi, take it easy with these Godowsky revised edition. after all, they are just editorial works and it might be better to put godowsky as an editor instead of in the file description. --[[User:Funper|Funper]] [[User talk:Funper|talk]] 16:14, 15 September 2007 (EDT)
:Well, there's no need for me to "take it easy" as there are no more forthcoming as I posted all of them that were from the MIT project! I debated about exactly what would be the best way to post them for a while at the time. Most of them also appear with Godowsky listed as editor on the actual piece page of whatever composer wrote the actual piece ([http://imslp.org/wiki/6_Piano_Pieces%2C_Op.15_%28Moszkowski%2C_Moritz%29 ex. see here]). However, since Godowsky was quite famous for his transcriptions & insights into other works I thought people might want to have an easier way to find all of them together at once. Ideally, the best way to do this would have been just to create one entry on his page and label it Revised Editions and have all of them located there, however it would probably create to large of page and that is why I did it the way I did. If you have any suggestions on what would be better, feel free to let me know.[[User:Mcroskell|Mcroskell]] 21:03, 18 September 2007 (EDT)

== elgar worklist ==

Hello,

what is your source for the Elgar worklist ? There are some works i didn`t knew about and hopefully i can lay my hands on them trough your source.

Best regards

Tom Edskes
:If I remember correctly, I believe I used 2 different web sources. Have a look [http://www.klassika.info/Komponisten/Elgar/wv_gattung.html here] & [http://www.elgar.org/3chronol.htm here]. Hope this helps.[[User:Mcroskell|Mcroskell]] 20:55, 18 September 2007 (EDT)

Thank you !

== Alkan Impromptu ==

I downloaded Alkan's Impropmtu sur le choral de Luther a while ago.

In playing my way through it, I discovered that a page is missing in my copy.

I just re-checked the item on your website:

http://imslp.org/wiki/Impromptu_sur_le_Choral_de_Luther%2C_Op.69_%28Alkan%2C_Charles-Valentin%29

and indeed the page is missing from the file.

Missing is page 23; The file runs directly from page 22 to page 24.

Is there some way to reinstate this page to th file, or else provide me with a copy of it?

Thanks,

H. Edwin Godshall, Jr.
:Sorry, I hadn't noticed the edition I had was missing this page. I would say to make a note of it on the pieces main article page and hopefully someone else can provide a full copy.[[User:Mcroskell|Mcroskell]] 20:57, 18 September 2007 (EDT)

== Le Martyre de San Sebastian ==
Mcroskell, thanks for uploading the piano reduction. I've been looking for this piece for a long time!!
cheers
nachoBA

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*No. 6 In memoriam
*No. 7 Entrée solennele
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