Thread - Fantasies based on an Opera

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Fantasies based on an Opera ⟨User:HMABOSTON⟩ [#32370]

So these works your posting on the Opera pages that were done by another composer (like Il giuramento by Mercandante, arranged by Wolff). In the case of these fantasies, popourris etc. that are based on the operas, these should go on the arranger/other composers (that did not compose the Opera) that made the fantasy because these act as their own original standalone work and are not literally arranged from any scene from the Opera most of the time (so you might have to make new workpages for these type of works). If they were directly arranged from something in the Opera (like an Aria or Recitative), then they would go on the Opera page.

Posted at 00:37, 4 July 2022 by Sallen112 (administrator)
Edited at 00:37, 4 July 2022 by Sallen112 (administrator)

We should use the OpDerivs template for referencing the Opera this is from by making a Related Works field in the General Info after creation of workpage, but that is time consuming to implement for each Opera entry.

Posted at 00:39, 4 July 2022 by Sallen112 (administrator)

Allen- Is this a judgement call as to how original the the arrangement is? Does one sometimes list under original composer and arranger?

Looking at Liszt, for instance, it's not clear why a particular Fantasy can be found as an original composition and another appears under Arrangements.

Looking at Liszt and Schubert, for instance, one can see that some Liszt transcriptions appear under Schubert/Arrangements and others under Liszt Original and still others under Liszt/Arranger.

I wish I could discern a clear pattern.

Will you continue to be looking over my shoulder for a while?

Lee

Posted at 00:57, 4 July 2022 by HMABOSTON

This is a tricky subject to figure out of how original a work is based on a larger work. Think of it like a Theme and Variations (like of Haydn, Liszt, Schumann, etc.). So I made this workpage for this arrangement your tried adding: Petite Fantasie sur des motifs de 'La sonnambula' (Wolff, Édouard), this work has motifs from the Opera itself of Bellini's La sonnambula that are incorperated into the work using themes from the larger work itself, but the person who made this fantasy created this as a standalone work that is not directly an arrangement of any part of the Opera but only based on it (where it mostly original music made of the arranger, thereby constituting its own work).

Is that any clearer?

Posted at 01:14, 4 July 2022 by Sallen112 (administrator)

Yes...very helpful. Should I edit the Wolf fantasy/arrangements of Mercadante...or did you? Did you note that some were in manuscript? Of course I have no way to know who wrote the manuscripts. I added an interesting one by Bottesini. It would be interesting to knopw if it is in his hand.

The collection that I am working on has a great deal of this kind of material.

Do we ever want to create two listing for the same work?

Posted at 02:39, 4 July 2022 by HMABOSTON
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