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In my recent upload of this composite work concocted by the editor Adolph Hoffmann in one of the Möseler Verlag Corona Series (Nr 70), I ventured the wish that a native speaker might care to read it thoroughly in order to shed light on his procedure and maybe add a couple of remarks on the work page. I can muddle through some German (nur gebrochenes !), but not through 2 pages of Gothic script. If you would care to do this for the community it would be great, thanks anyway. Should you accept, I will place a pdf file of the editor's Foreword into the cloud for you to consult.

Posted at 09:52, 5 September 2013 by Jurabe

O.K., i will try to help. How can i get the file?

Posted at 10:37, 5 September 2013 by Notenschreiber (administrator)

You have it here : https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BwDmaPnNSdCdcFhjVHhKenBnS2s/edit?usp=sharing Vielen Dank !

Although A.Hoffmann seems to consider the authenticity of Telemann's contribution to the 'Singenden Geographie' booklet as beyond doubt, I've seen it judged doubtful here and there, which may account for its absence from his complete works catalogs, at least those I have consulted on Telemann's imslp page.

Posted at 11:07, 5 September 2013 by Jurabe
Edited at 11:12, 5 September 2013 by Jurabe

By the way the score itself can be viewed here : https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BwDmaPnNSdCdajg2a3dzdUM1ek0/edit?usp=sharing

Posted at 13:15, 5 September 2013 by Jurabe

Here are some informations. The preface is first of all an advertising for Hoffmanns idea for this collection. Sometimes a little bit curious.

The “Singende Geographie“ (SG) has the number TWV 25:1, I think it is really a composition by Telemann. I found the single movement titles elsewhere:

Wie die Geographie zu lernen: Kommt, zu lernen mit Belieben - Europa, zeige mir dein Bild - Portugal - Spanien - Schweiz - Welschland (Norditalien) - Mittelitalien - Frankreich - Provence - Lothringen, Burgund - England, Schottland, Irland - Schottland - Vereinigte Niederlande (Holland) - Spanische Niederlande - Deutschland - Österreich - Bayern - Franken, Schwaben, Burgund - Ober- und Niederrhein - Westfalen - Niedersachsen - Kurfürstentum - Hannover - Herzogtum Braunschweig-Wolfenbüttel - Hildesheim - Obersachsen - Böhmen - Skandinavien (Dänemark, Norwegen) - Schweden - Russland (Moskau) - Polen - Ungarn: In Oberungarn - Europäische Türkei - Asien - Asiatische Türkei - Afrika - Amerika - Beschluss: Nun senket euch, ihr Masten

In his “Klingende Geographie” (KG) Hoffmann collected movements of Ouverture-Suites of Telemann, which he related one-to-one to the movements of SD. Sometimes the relation between the movements of SG and KG is clear by the original titles of Telemann, in other cases it is less apparently, only stilistic elements and the charakteristic of the music seems suitable to the geographic issues in the eyes or ears of Hoffmann.

Hoffmann suggested in his forward, that one should perform SG and KG together, alternating after each movement. Therefore he even transposed sometimes the movements of the suites to make them better suitable to each other.

With one exeption (No. 35 from SLUB) all movements are from manuscipts of Darmstadt. In a description of a CD i found further informations about the origins of the movements: 

   1 Ouvertüre: Maestoso - Allegro - Maestoso Twv 55:B5,1 
   2 Vom Globus: Perpetuum Mobile Twv 55:D12,2 
   3 Europa: Entrée Twv 55:C2,4 
   4 Portugal: Les Portugais Anciens Et Modernes (Grave - Viste) Twv 55:B5,6 
   5 Spanien: Sarabande Twv 55:D9,6 
   6 Schweiz: Les Suisses (Grave - Viste) Twv 55:B5,4 
   7 Welschland (Norditalien): Air À L'italien (Vivement) Twv 55:B4,2 
   8 Mittel-Italien: La Badinerie Italienne (Viste) Twv 55:Fis1,4 
   9 Frankreich: Menuet 1 - Menuet 2 Twv 55:B5,2 
   10 Provence: Rigaudon Twv 55:E1,8 
   11 Lothringen-Burgund: Bourrée Twv 55:D12,4 
   12 England-Schottland-Irland: Gigue Twv 55:D10,6 
   13 Schottland: Hornpipe Twv 55:G2,6 
   14 Vereinigte Niederlande: Les Flots (Modéré) Twv 55:A2,2 
   15 Spanische Niederlande: Carillon Twv 55:F7,7 
   16 Deutschland: Les Allemands Anciens Et Modernes (Grave - Viste) Twv 55:G4,3 
   17 Österreich: Rondeau Twv 55:D1,5 
   18 Bayern: Prélude (Vistement) Twv 55:G1,3 
   19 Franken-Schwaben-Burgund: Fantaisie Twv 55:G2,6 
   20 Ober- Und Niederrhein: Les Cornes De Visbade (Twv 55:B4,3) 
   21 Westfalen: Mercure Twv 55:B3,8 
   22 Niedersachsen: Air (Doucement) Twv 55:B2,4 
   23 Kurfürstentum Hannover: Gavotte - Rondeau Twv 55:G2,3 
   24 Stift Hildesheim: Pastorale Twv 55:E8,2 
   25 Herzogtum Braunschweig-Wolfenbüttel: Réjouissance Twv 55:D2,4 
   26 Obersachsen: Fugue (Vivement) Twv 55:C2,4 
   27 Böhmen: Hanaquoise Twv 55:D3,6 
   28 Skandinavien: Les Danois Anciens Et Modernes (Grave - Viste) Twv 55:G4,5 
   29 Schweden: Les Suédois Anciens Et Modernes (Grave - Viste) Twv 55:G4,4 
   30 Russland: Les Moscovites Twv 55:B5,5 
   31 Polen: Polonaise Twv 55:D13,6 
   32 Ungarn: Marche Twv 55:F6,4 
   33 Europäische Türkei: Les Turcs Twv 55:B5,3
   34 Asien: Les Janissaires Twv 55:17,2
   35 Asiatische Türkei: Mezzetin En Turc Twv 55:B8,7
   36 Afrika: Mourky Twv 55:G1,4
   37 Amerika L'espérance De Missipii (Vivement) Twv 55:B11,6
   38 Schlusschoral: Nun senket euch, ihr Masten (Melodie: Nun ruhen alle Wälder)

The harmonization of 38 is from Telemanns first Matthäuspassion.

Posted at 11:00, 6 September 2013 by Notenschreiber (administrator)

Thank you very much for your trouble and contribution toward shedding light on this rather obfuscated subject. Your comments clinch the fact that the music from Singende Geographie was indeed Telemann's and that Hoffmann's contribution is peculiar but not without merit.

Posted at 07:58, 8 September 2013 by Jurabe
Edited at 08:06, 8 September 2013 by Jurabe

Do you think, we shoud mention all the TWV numbers on the workpage? I could add a performance guide (on the discusskion page?):

Das Gesamtwerk

Ouverture (KG), Twv 55:B5

Kommt, zu lernen mit Belieben (SG 1) Vom Globus (KG 1), Perpetuum Mobile Twv 55:D12,2

Europa, zeige mir dein Bild (SG 2) Europa (KG 2), Entrée, Twv 55:C2,4

Portugal (SG 3) Portugal (KG3), Les Portugais Anciens Et Modernes (Grave - Viste) Twv 55:B5,6

Spanien (SG 4) Spanien (KG 4), Sarabande Twv 55:D9

Schweiz (SG 5) Schweiz (KG 5), Les Suisses (Grave - Viste) Twv 55:B5

Welschland (SG 6) Welschland (Norditalien) (KG 6), Air À L'italien (Vivement) Twv 55:B4,2

and so on.

Posted at 08:27, 8 September 2013 by Notenschreiber (administrator)
Edited at 09:12, 8 September 2013 by Notenschreiber (administrator)

Yes, I think it would be helpful to place side by side the numbers from both SG and KG as you have done, together with a short comment explaining Hoffmann's intentions, all the more so as the 2 works are still performed in conjunction => http://www.helmstedter-nachrichten.de/lokales/Helmstedt/klingende-und-singende-geographie-id225266.html

Posted at 21:34, 8 September 2013 by Jurabe
Edited at 20:51, 9 September 2013 by Jurabe
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