| List of Bertini compositions ⟨User:James Bailey⟩ |
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This is usually done this way, I think...
A page List of works by Henri Bertini is created (see Category:Composer Composition Lists for a number of examples better and worse done... the ones I have primarily contributed to are not among the better done...) and the table is placed there, is put in the category Composer Composition Lists, and is linked to from the Category Bertini, Henri :)
That way, one can link a new page to the list (e.g. Fantaisie-valse, Op.154)/add a new composition from the list (if you missed one)/edit mistakes/etc. without having to ask permission since it is no longer part of your user page!
Cheers!!
Nothing wrong with starting something like that out on your user page or a subpage (User:James_Bailey/BertiniWorklist e.g.) so that when it's rolled out into publicity (so to speak) it's - erm - ready for prime time. I tend to use Google Drive and similar things for that myself.
| Posted at 13:23, 26 September 2013 by Schissel (administrator) |
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Hi Eric,
As you probably know, I asked a question about this in one of the forums. When no one replied I started to put together a set of tables on my user page (I wonder if you saw them and that is what prompted your post...) My tables list the opus number (if there is one), the title, who (if anyone) it is dedicated to, the publisher and plate number, the date of publication (if known), and locations. I had never put a wiki table together before, so this has been a learning experience for me. The tables appear to be floats so I will have to think about how to add text around them. They may also have too much information: the dedication, year, number of pages, and incipit for vocal works are not really needed, but I find them interesting. I will eventually add IMSLP and links in the Location column. At the moment I am trying to find links to entries in online catalogues; I have done a fair number of the BnF and I am finding it very frustrating! In any event, if you care to have a look I would greatly appreciate any suggestions which you have.
I would like it if anyone with an early edition could add an entry to the table; I am a bit concerned that most people may find that challenging.
I think that once everything is in an acceptable state I won't have too much trouble going public!
| Posted at 04:45, 27 September 2013 by James Bailey |
| Complete uniformity has hardly been required- the Baumfelder worklist is somewhat more detailed for example than others, and I'd like to see them all move in the direction of much more detail, with linked incipits etc. of the kinds you describe, not less, rather than the automated (and often very inaccurate, illegible, etc.) messes the best that can be said for which is that they may be better than nothing, which characterize a lot of the stopgap worklists we also have.
Hrm. Interesting about Op.154. I wonder if there's a digitized copy of the Lemoine (for which you provide a BNF link) at Gallica.bnf.fr, I'll have to check (maybe this weekend) and transfer/process/&c&c&c if so. Then we'll have both the 1844 Lemoine and the one-year-later Schott editions of the fantasy-waltz represented- they're probably not different, but they might be, slightly.
Links to entries in online catalogues- feeling rather sleepy but maybe I can help some there (well, if not now, maybe soon.) Is the problem that the catalogues that have these items seem to lack permanent links, or absence of catalogues containing these items in their collections at all?... (if you find it in Worldcat and doublecheck that Worldcat isn't mistaken about the mentioned target library having the item, you can probably just link to the WC OCLC number using the WC template... Posted at 04:56, 27 September 2013 by Schissel
Complete uniformity has hardly been required- the Baumfelder worklist is somewhat more detailed for example than others, and I'd like to see them all move in the direction of much more detail, with linked incipits etc. of the kinds you describe, not less, rather than the automated (and often very inaccurate, illegible, etc.) messes the best that can be said for which is that they may be better than nothing, which characterize a lot of the stopgap worklists we also have.
Hrm. Interesting about Op.154. I wonder if there's a digitized copy of the Lemoine (for which you provide a BNF link) at Gallica.bnf.fr, I'll have to check (maybe this weekend) and transfer/process/&c&c&c if so. Then we'll have both the 1844 Lemoine and the one-year-later Schott editions of the fantasy-waltz represented- they're probably not different, but they might be, slightly.
Links to entries in online catalogues- feeling rather sleepy but maybe I can help some there (well, if not now, maybe soon.) Is the problem that the catalogues that have these items seem to lack permanent links, or absence of catalogues containing these items in their collections at all?... (if you find it in Worldcat and doublecheck that Worldcat isn't mistaken about the mentioned target library having the item, you can probably just link to the WC OCLC number using the WC template...- whoever (Cypressdome? :) ) added that WC template has my gratitude.)
Posted at 04:56, 27 September 2013 by Schissel (administrator) Edited at 05:00, 27 September 2013 by Schissel (administrator) |
| I don't think that Gallica has the Op. 154. So far I have only been able to find four of Bertini's works:
Op. 75 : Sérénade pour violon, alto, violoncelle, piano forte et contre basse ad libitum (manuscript) http://gallica.bnf.fr/Search?adva=1&adv=1&tri=&t_relation=cb42408448g&q=Henri+Bertini
Op. 64 n°1 Thèmes variés : pour piano. Variations en ré sur un thème original
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b90749811.r=Henri+Bertini
Op. 109 : Solo composé pour le concours de 1836. Ecole royale de musique, classe de piano de L.Adam
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b9074992t.r=Henri+Bertini
(No Opus) : Françoise de Rimini. (title page only)
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b84376961
I like the idea of using the WC OCLC permalinks. I'll insert as many as I can over the next couple weeks. So far I haven't come across any libraries which don't have the indicated item, but I can see that some entries don't point to any libraries, e.g.
6e. Sextuor pour Piano, 2 Violons, Alto, Violoncelle et Contrebasse : Op. 172 --- permalink http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/804233955
Should I link to that page anyway in the hope that a link will be inserted in the future?
| Posted at 04:57, 2 October 2013 by James Bailey |
| sorry I haven't responded. Also, Worldcat links that don't point to any libraries - I have some guesses about that... Some libraries may once have been included in Worldcat and have been asked to be removed, maybe, which would explain that message (but can be accessed at their own catalogs - I know there are some libraries of which part, or even different parts, of that last guess (maybe all of them, then) are true...
(For instance libraries that are now, at least, only partially if at all catalog-"covered"/mirrored by Worldcat - so that one does have to go to their own catalogs to find full info... and sometimes even subcatalogs, e.g. with ÖNB the main catalog is far less full of music than the Musiksammlung catalog, which it may take awhile for a music-fan to discover, and quite a discovery it is if one likes any Austrian music at all anyway... :D ... Czech library, Italian (opac SBN), others... - BNF main catalog seems pretty well "covered" and even integrates pretty well with Worldcat (I like that feature with the "see the entry at BNF" link (notice et côte ..., that is!) for BNF entries from Worldcat, which sometimes though not always has the côtage (plate number) also (very useful information...)
6th sextet- that's in Spanish. Looks like it was at BDH (Bibl. Dig. Hispánica - a lot of good digitizations there btw, have you searched for Bertini there? (Cypressdome did for Op.166, I see...) I'm doing so now... In fact, not a -bad- idea offhand to go to External library templates (category) and just run through them, searching for Bertini at each library, or at least each one that's remotely promising...) - I wonder if it's just a dropped and moved link that Worldcat hasn't caught up to, and if searching BDH itself will turn it up? That happens too! (Template:BDH on this site has the link.)
Oh, my, oh my. They have the 4th sextet op.114 in a downloadable piano duet arrangement (not the original, but it's -something-! :) :) ) at BDH. That already looks like a reason to be interested... (well, I might reupload it from their site myself. Always remember of course to snip off pages and/or page borders with copyright claims by the uploading library, things like that-- IMSLP considers it sufficient-and necessary- to give credit in the Scanner field (hopefully with a link to the specific page at the site, but that's not always easy- in the case of the piano sextet 4 arrangement, it would be {{BDH|bdh0000123436}} that would go in the scanner field, clicking on which would send you to the information page about the arrangement (or here's the link to view right now- BDH)
Anyhow, more later... sorry!
| Posted at 15:46, 23 February 2014 by Schissel (administrator) |
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