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Copyists ⟨User:Tim.willis1685⟩ [#7168]

I'm almost wondering if it is time to consider adding another supplemental field to the file-entry matrix for copyist. It's possible that we could set it up to appear automatically whenever a manuscript scan is added. This removes the awkwardness of having to stuff the names in as "editors" (which maybe they sometimes are) or "Engraver" (not really accurate, though similar in function). Would this feature be useful to you? Also, we like the names in normal order as it makes it easter to use the {{LinkName|''First and middle name''|''Last name''}} template which sometimes comes in handy.

Posted at 04:10, 21 May 2014 by Carolus (administrator)
Edited at 04:11, 21 May 2014 by Carolus (administrator)

I think This is a great idea. I've been meaning to make this suggestion, but I didn't want to make any drastic changes as a newcomer to IMSLP.

One question: Is it possible to have one work listed on two separate composer pages? I like to see this for the violin sonata in C minor, BWV 1024 currently listed on the page of JS Bach. It was discovered a few years ago that this may be the work of Pisendel. Not everyone agrees on this, and I'm not sure myself, but it would be good to see him credited also. For your reference: http://www.rism.info/en/service/opac-search.html

Posted at 05:23, 21 May 2014 by Tim.willis1685 (administrator)

PS. I don't think that the Schrank zwei manuscript for this sonata is in Pisendel's hand (as mentioned on RISM). It looks a lot like Bach's to me.

Posted at 05:25, 21 May 2014 by Tim.willis1685 (administrator)

If it's not actually confirmed as Pisendel we normally add some information about the disputed attribution to Bach with a link to Pisendel - especially since it has a full-fledged BWV number (instead of a BWV Anh.). If it is confirmed to have been composed by Pisendel, it will be moved to Pisendel's category with a permanent redirect in Bach's. You can already see a number of these permanent redirects there as they appear in italics.

Posted at 20:57, 21 May 2014 by Carolus (administrator)

The "Editor" field now automatically reads "Copyist" for any item uploaded as a "Manuscript Scan". If there is an actual editor different from the copyist, this can be added by inserting the supplemental field "|Manuscript Editor=" which will appear on the page as "Editor". As you mentioned, the copyist named in some of these manuscripts was sometimes really an arranger. If this is the case, the item should be appearing beneath the "Arrangements and Transcriptions" tab.

Posted at 03:40, 25 May 2014 by Carolus (administrator)

In this case: Ouverture-Suite, TWV 55:B7 (Telemann, Georg Philipp) it doesn´t work

Posted at 13:42, 25 May 2014 by Notenschreiber (administrator)

Thanks Carolus. I think this is excellent.

Posted at 14:41, 25 May 2014 by Tim.willis1685 (administrator)

The reason it didn't work for the top entry under "Parts" in the Telemann was because the Image Type was given as "Manuscript Scans" instead of the correct "Manuscript Scan".

Posted at 00:01, 26 May 2014 by Carolus (administrator)

I did some research into BWV 1024. This information comes from Kai Köpp's wonderful biography of Pisendel. The Sonate was published in the 19th century by the violinist Ferdinand David and it is not known why he attributed the work the Bach. Also, the copyist ist unidentified, although there is another manuscript of this Sonata in Schönborn-Wiesentheid which is apparently in the hand of Pisendel (I'd like to see it). Köpp doesn't make a final call but says that it is strikingly similar to the other original violin sonatas of Pisendel. I agree that moving the page entirely from Bach would be drastic, so could it have this on it instead?? LinkCompS|Johann Georg|Pisendel. Is there another way oof dealing with works of disputed authorschip?

I also read the article on this sonata http://imslp.org/wiki/Violin_Sonata_in_C_minor_(Pisendel,_Johann_Georg) in Köpp's book and at made me realise that I have mistakenly created a page for this work when it already (incorrectly) exists on Geminiani's page. Once again, it was Ferdinand David who misattributed this sonata in the C.19th and it is this edition that appears on Geminiani's page. Köpp convincingly attributes this one to Pisendel on the basis of handwriting, cross referencing with other sonatas, paper types and stylistic criteria. Could it be moved entirely with a small link to Geminiani?

Posted at 16:18, 4 June 2014 by Tim.willis1685 (administrator)
Edited at 16:20, 4 June 2014 by Tim.willis1685 (administrator)
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