| Pieces for Oboe ⟨User:Notenschreiber⟩ |
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Hi Notenschreiber,
I've just been admiring your list of oboe music. Here are some things you might like to add.
http://imslp.org/wiki/Quartet_in_F_major_for_Flute,_Oboe,_Violin_and_Continuo_(Riedel,_Fortunato)
http://imslp.org/wiki/Oboe_Sonata_in_B-flat_major_(Kirnberger,_Johann_Philipp)
http://imslp.org/wiki/Oboe_Sonata_in_C_major_(Matthes,_Carl_Ludwig)
I think there might be a few other oboe + continuo sonatas (maybe Sammartini); I didn't look too closely.
Also, the 3rd Zelenka Trio has an obbligato bassoon part. I think it should be under continuo + 3.
All the best
| Posted at 06:11, 24 August 2014 by Tim.willis1685 (administrator) |
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Thanks for the informations. I´m aware of the fact not to be quite up to date, this is the disadvantage of manually maintained lists.
But i will do some updates.
I´m wondering about the oboe d´amore list. Maybe you want to do something with it as "d´amore specialist"?
| Posted at 06:19, 24 August 2014 by Notenschreiber (administrator) |
| Well, I am a string player, but I do find oboe d'amore fascinating as well. I could make a start. It could, like vla d'amore list, have obbligati from cantatas.
If you don't mind, I can add pieces to the oboe list? I just don't want to interfere with your good work.
| Posted at 07:22, 24 August 2014 by Tim.willis1685 (administrator) |
| Additional help with the oboe list is welcome.
In the case of Zelenka 3 i don´t quite agree with you. You are right, the bassoon part is concertante, but it is continuo as well, an additional
bass instrument is not needed. All the music is written in three systems, whereas the No.4 - No.6 need four systems in the autograph. It is
fascinating to see how Zelenka (as contra bass player) gives more and more importance to the bass instruments, finally coming to one of the summits
of baroque chamber music.
| Posted at 07:40, 24 August 2014 by Notenschreiber (administrator) |
| http://imslp.org/wiki/List_of_Compositions_Featuring_the_Oboe_d%27amore
This contains all of the pieces which have a tag for oboe d'amore. Tomorrow I'll start adding pieces which don't (ouverture-suites, cantatas, passions etc). Feel free to change anything or add things. I wasn't sure whether to list specific instrumentation of oboe/double reed ensembles or not.
Now, what about oboe da caccia? (!) My favourite instrument. I suppose there are only the Bach obbligati, the Fasch Concerto an ouverture by Graupber and a piece by Ferrandini written for that instrumemt, so It might not be worth it.
I think you are right about Zelenka 3. Before, I Looked at one of the modern editions which had published a simplified bass part. While it might be close to the way Zelenka may have played it on the violone, it's not that way in the manuscript score. I've never listened to them in order of 1-6, so I haven't thought of it like that, but you are right. You can really see him exploring this genre. I love these pieces but unfortunately I only get to play in No.3
| Posted at 16:30, 24 August 2014 by Tim.willis1685 (administrator) |
| Wow, that´s great. How did you manage this so fast? I´m really excited. As far i can see, all is perfect.
Oboe da caccia (Bach), Oboe du silve (Fasch), Oboe di silva (Graupner), Hautbois Anglois (Kuhnau), Corno Inglese (Jomelli), all are parents of the
English horn, which is mostly used for them in non historical performances. I don´t think, that special lists are necessary for them, but an augmentation of the
list for the English horn by baroque pieces, which uses these predeccesors would be fine.
| Posted at 17:51, 24 August 2014 by Notenschreiber (administrator) |
| A lot of copy and pasting!
I think that oboe da caccia and cor anglais are unrelated instruments. Cor anglais was developed from the taille. The da caccia died out entirely. But it is a good idea to treat the cor anglais page as a page for "Oboes in F" or "Tenor Oboes". Later on I could add a section at the bottom of the Cor page for da caccia. Is there a need for taille d'haubois? As far as I know, it was used exclusively as a consort/ensemble instrument (apart from one solo concerto which is lost?).
| Posted at 04:36, 25 August 2014 by Tim.willis1685 (administrator) |
| Hi Tim, i would not say, that oboe da caccia and cor anglais are unrelated. Maybe the word "parent" is not well chosen, better would be brother oder sister. Both are Tenor oboes, trials to improve the french taille d´hautbois, so that the instrument sounds more softly. I have here the doctoral thesis of Hans Oskar Koch "Sonderformen der Blasinstrumente in der deutschen Musikvom späten 17. bis Mitte de 18. Jahrhunderts". He states, that da caccias and tenor oboes with "Liebesfuß" are have been built several decades as well, the last one surviving as cor anglais. One famous oboe maker (Heinrich Eichentopf) made da caccias (two survived),
he came from Leipzig, so the connection to Bach seems clear.
| Posted at 05:24, 25 August 2014 by Notenschreiber (administrator) |
| I was not aware of these hybrid instruments. Interesting! I thought that the only two known makers were Eichentopf and Bauer (?), both from Leipzig, and that Eichentopf invented the instrument through his association with Bach's Oboist Gleditsch. They also worked together to create the d'amore. I should read Bruce Haynes' book again and also the thesis of Koch one day. Uncle seems best !
| Posted at 05:45, 25 August 2014 by Tim.willis1685 (administrator) |
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