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Liszt score(s) on wishlist reward
Funper, I was doing some cleanup of the wishlist and came across the Liszt section which you are apparently offering a reward for some of the pieces. Is the only reward you're offering for Ungarischer Sturmmarsch, S.524 and if so, does it still stand, or is the reward offered for the scores beneath that heading? I only ask because, although I am swamped with my myriad French composer projects, I am in a unique position in that I can obtain most any score held in any library throughout the US and Canada, and I would be happy to offer both my acquisition and digitization services to further the Liszt page here on IMSLP. Perhaps if you have a "top 5" needed scores I can start there. (BTW, the Ungarischer Sturmmarsch is readily available at several libraries in the US and shouldn't prove a problem to track down should it still be needed). Best wishes. Daphnis 22:08, 5 June 2008 (EDT)
- Any change on this? Also, I thought I'd drop in to say a word of thanks for the Faust symphony you submitted. The scans appear quite nice and I appreciate the submission as well as the time involved in scanning such a project. Best regards. Daphnis 21:23, 30 June 2008 (EDT)
- Hi Daphnis! Since the IMSLP shutdown, I have listened to a multitude of different compositions - by Liszt and many others - which makes it difficult for me to chose a top 5, but not impossible. I have my eyes pinned on two pieces, the first one is a manuscript photocopy of Don Sanche, Liszt opera, which I think is around (wait for it!) 300 pages. The opera has never been published, and I think that it would certainly put IMSLP in the spotlight if it were to be available here. For the other score, I think that I might be able to put my hands on a copy of Ungarischer Sturmmarsch, but last time I checked, that volume of Neue Liszt-Ausgabe was not available in my library for some unknown reason. So this would be my number 2.
- As for the reward, I had in mind to trade for something. Maybe another score from my own library - Statens Musikbibliotek - or something rare that would compensate work (doesn't necessarily have to be scores). Trading, more or less. Since you are in such position, I am unsure if that offer would be sufficient. I am however sure that I could take a load of work of your shoulder by acquiring scores that you are looking or have in your pile of "to be scanned", or such. If none of these offers are appealing, we could agree on some other kind of compensation. Best regards. --Funper talk 12:52, 1 July 2008 (EDT)
- Sorry for the delay in responding. I didn't get an email notification when you changed the talk page. In any case, as for the opera you're seeking, there is a microfilm of it at Harvard's library which I *might* be able to get, but to be honest, I have so much scanning and processing of scores to do I just couldn't fit that in at this point. I could certainly get the Ungarischer Sturmarsch as it was reprinted by Kalmus, and it doesn't appear to be very thick. As for the reward, since I'm a graduate student I essentially have access to all the libraries (public and private) in the U.S. and all their music holdings, so not a whole lot escapes my grasps :) The only few things I'm looking for would only be obtainable by a trip to the BnF in Paris, a trip which is planned this winter. If it's only the one score, then no reward is necessary. However, depending on how fond of R. Strauss you are, I'm thinking of doing a lot of work on his page later this year; I already have plans to upload all of his tone poems, but other things from the Strauss wishlist, should they be public domain in Canada, would certainly be a big help. By the way, what scanning equipment are you using, and what are some of the thresholds and settings you're using? If I remember correctly, some of your scans looked quite good. Regards. --Daphnis 16:23, 3 July 2008 (EDT)
- I use a HP Photosmart C4180, monochrome 300-600 dpi, depending on the size of the score. I use the copy machine in my school for larger scores, or if it's only a few pages, I'll use a camera and convert the photos to monochrome in Photoshop. Miniature scores are the most convenient to scan (600 dpi), since school is closed and converting photos in photoshop is not one of the easiest things to do.
- If you could help me with Ungarischer Sturmmarsch, that would be great. Now I can't ask you to scan the microfilms of Don Sanche, since you are overwhelmed with work and since I don't know how painful the process of scaning microfilms might be. But since I doubt that it will only be Ungarischer Sturmmarsch, and since I think that it's nice to be acquinted with different composers, I am interested in helping you with R Strauss. Are there any specific scores in the wishlist that you are looking for? --Funper talk 12:44, 5 July 2008 (EDT)
Welcome Back!!
Hi Funper, Glad to see you around these parts again! Do you happen to know what the dates are for Peter Schneider, the author of the preface for the nice scan of the Faust Symphony score you just posted? If not, we probably ought to remove the preface just to be on the safe side. I can do it very quickly with the pro version of Acrobat I have if it's not easy for you. Carolus 00:12, 1 July 2008 (EDT)
- Hi Carolus! Likewise. I couldn't find the dates for Peter S, but I have pro too so I'll remove those pages. --Funper talk 12:55, 1 July 2008 (EDT)
CR
Hi again Funper, welcome back. I read your message on Feldmahler's page. In the meanwhile, you might want to take a look at IMSLP:Copyright Reviewers, a CR policy page we tried to set up clearly, with guidelines to be followed for CR, to overcome same discussions repeating (e.g. the EMB Urtext editions). We would be pleased if you'd take a look and report any inconsistencies, intransparencies, unclear points, or make any suggestions. --Peter talk 08:40, 1 July 2008 (EDT)
- Thanks. Will do, and sorry for the past. May we get past those times and be on good terms with each other. See you around! --Funper talk 12:12, 1 July 2008 (EDT)
Welcome back, Funper! The Les Preludes score you posted has Microsoft's logo all over it - despite the fact that it's a completely public domain Schirmer score. You'll have to remove the logo in order for us to make it available. It's really annoying that they had to put their bloody logo and trademark on every single page! It's a nice trick to enforce copyright-style restrictions on scans of public domain works they've developed in cooperation with publicly-funded libraries. Carolus 19:11, 3 July 2008 (EDT)
- Don't be too surprised, it's Microsoft. Removing logos is a troublesome venture that I want to avoid at all cost! I have had bad experiences. I'll just be reminded of those days when I fiddeled with CDSM scores. But here is someting in the score... Page 2 gives us permission to use it for non-commercial (or any other fair use), unless it's "indexed in a commercial service." Shouldn't this permit us to make the score available here? --Funper talk 19:27, 3 July 2008 (EDT)
- Hi there, nice to see you back! It takes indeed much time to remove logos, but it's necessary since they are protected normally. Anyway, same thing with the Piano Sonata, I've marked it until the matter is clarified. Regards, Hobbypianist 01:03, 4 July 2008 (EDT)
- Likewise Hobbypianist! Did you see page 2 in the score? Doesn't that give us explict permission to use the scores? --Funper talk 11:44, 4 July 2008 (EDT)
- Hi, well, according to the text you may use it for personal purposes and in any fair use, but nevertheless it bears the registered microsoft trademark. Leaving it on the pages might be problematic. See also 2nd paragraph here. We should avoid any danger / risk in this issue. What about just cutting away the bottom of the score and removing the mentioned text? Hobbypianist 13:58, 4 July 2008 (EDT)
- Very well. I agree that we all have to draw the line somewhere, but when there is information that gives us explicit permission, I think that it's somewhat paranoid to take such precautions. One could also consider how it would look like if Microsoft brought up such a paradoxal case in court, since they are giving us the right to distribute the score as it is (with trademarks). --Funper talk 17:18, 4 July 2008 (EDT)
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Hi Funper, ich habe etwas für dich. Kannst mir dein E-mail geben? Thalberg81
- soren_afshar[at]hotmail[dot]com. Kannst du Englisch oder Französisch? Meine Deutsche ist nicht gut, aber ich kann Schwedisch so ich kann ein wenig Deutsche. --Funper talk 18:11, 5 July 2008 (EDT)
Liszt Question
Hi Funper, I have a question for you. The Recitation, Helges Treue after Draeseke, S.686 appears to have been published or at least assigned a plate number by Schuberth around 1860. The item we have posted appears to be a 'revised edition for Britain and the USA issued later (perhaps 1874). Do you know if there was an earlier version published ca.1860? Carolus 16:24, 7 July 2008 (EDT)
- I do not know that actually, but the info that is on our page is wrong. Our item isn't such a revision. I am assuming that you searched WorldCat; that item is a "new revision of the original edition". Our item, of which I found an alternative here, seems to have been published in 1915. I could't find any plate numbers on our item, the alternative says "5110" however. --Funper talk 18:55, 7 July 2008 (EDT)
- It could be a reprint of a 1860 publication. I just saw the Schuberth page and "5110" would place it ca. 1860. --Funper talk 21:27, 7 July 2008 (EDT)
The citation of 1915 seems quite inaccurate, since Schuberth was sold to C.F.W. Siegel in 1891, and things issued later would most likely have included Siegel's imprint somewhere. That's why I was wondering if what we have (which appears to be the same score as the one you linked to above), was actually some sort of revision issued later with the same ca.1860 plate number. Honestly, the engraving looks a bit more like it could have been done around 1875 than in 1860, though it can be very difficult to tell. Röder's big improvement in the engraving and printing process took place in 1867 and was soon adopted by all his Leipzig competitors, which is why I think this score looks more like something from the 1870s or 1880s. Carolus 21:50, 7 July 2008 (EDT)
Liszt Etudes
Hi, I would like you to check your scan of 12 transcendental etudes by Breitkopf & Härtel, because when I was looking for Eroica, on first page (page 43 in pdf) instead of right hand I saw a title "Liszt etudes", like it were pasted from paint... I think this is some kind of bug in process of scanning, but it's kind of annoying.
