Category talk:Ciolacou, Hélène


VIAF and BNF both claim her dates are 18..-19.. , not 18..-18.. . Her flourishing years were in the 1880s, but her death year might still have been as late as 1960 depending on details (she could have published her first works very early on and been long-lived... take the case of Durey (1888-1979) and move backwards by 19 years to consider some composer born in 1871 who died in 1960 :) ) - more information is needed is all I say before non-PD-CA is ruled out unfortunately... Eric 17:53, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

True, but she could just as easily have died by 1890. One never really knows - there are some who went thirty or forty years before producing an Op.1. If we assume a lifespan of about 70-75 years, and a publication history starting in her early 20s, then she might have lived to 1940, although not necessarily. It would be prudent to change the EU tags to 'checked', but apart from that I don't think we need to worry. Cheers, KGill talk email 19:29, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

just a remark : the 1885 Fantaisie Op.2 seems made by a young girl 'cause it's dedicaced "à mes parents" Squin 20:18, 2 November 2010 (UTC) His name is suggesting that she had a Romanian origin, probably "Ciolacu" who was "françisé" in Ciolac (on the score of the Op.1) and Ciolacou (for the others scores) Squin 21:44, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Well, there is another composer in of the same surname who wrote music to Romanian national themes, I think- let me check... Eric 22:08, 2 November 2010 (UTC) -- ah. "Ciolac, Christache" - BNF - "compositeur, sans doute roumain"... referred to elsewhere on the web in a number of Romanian websites (presumably the same person) as fiddler "Cristache Ciolac", born 1901 I think. Eric 22:12, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

List page vs. Biography link

as I understand it, VIAF and Musicsack belong under list pages most of the time because they provide birth and death dates and references - at most - to biographical information. Links to biographical information of a more detailed, narrative kind (such as one would find in Wikipedia or in Baker's Biographical Dictionary)- not just proof of the birth and death and nationality claims - belongs in the biography link. Eric 00:42, 22 January 2011 (UTC)