User talk:Jdeperi

1 USA files
2 Category:Stravinsky, Igor
3 Shostakovich
4 so does that mean
5 Template:USA-C-notrenewed

USA files

Hello Jdeperi,

Congratulations on getting the files up and actually working! I download a couple with no problem whatever. I note there is some inconsistency with the appearance of our normal file entries. Is there any reason you need to use the term "Edition" when all of our other, regular file descriptions say "Publisher"? There also appear to be a lot of features missing from these USA file entries that are present in the regular file entries: the ability to add the additional field to designate a reprint "|Reprint=", "|Arranger=", the ability to stack a multiple files, etc. Perhaps it would better if you would modify the MediaWiki:FTE:imslpfile template to work with the USA host? It's too late for me to think about experimenting with this right now, but you might want to consult with KGill and p.davydov, who both know how to modify this rather complicated template. Carolus 08:28, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Hi Carolus,

I'm going to move discussion on this topic to the forums, so that I can include KGill, p.davydov, and you. I'll also in Include Max (imslp-eu), who is the one who provided me examples how to use the FTE template. I'm actually creating the fields manually at the moment, but it should be possible for someone more knowledgeable with how the template works to modify it as necessary. --Jdeperi 19:09, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Category:Stravinsky, Igor

See the page under Igor Stravinsky - can't be uploaded until 2022 (maybe in 2021 but blocked for a year, as we do with Dohnányi right now, but that's the limit.) Eric 09:29, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Ah. My mistake apparently- I understand now Eric 09:33, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Shostakovich

Hi, I've been doing some research on when things were published - which is of course absolutely critical for determining status in the USA. From what I can find so far, nothing was published before 1927. If this turns out to be true, no work of his is free in the USA. He was only 17 in 1922, and the first public performances of his work apparently occurred only in 1925. Carolus 21:56, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Let me see if Daphnis knows anything. I'll report back to you. --Jdeperi 22:05, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

The same problem at least may turn up with Hindemith's suite 1922 (composition, v publication), but his 2nd string quartet op.16 definitely was published in or by (probably in) 1922. (Admittedly Hofmeister's length may have been truncated by postwar considerations- at a guess! - but I will see if they mention any more Hindemith that year... the years post-1900 are scannable at this location but not to my knowledge searchable as at their official site.) Eric 22:22, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

The Hindemith has a copyright notice for 1922.-- Snailey (_@/) _{Talk to Me Email me} 01:20, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Apologies, need to check these things... :) Eric 01:22, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Regarding Shostakovich, I'm inquiring with a guy who maintains a catalog of Soviet composers' works (http://home.wanadoo.nl/ovar/shosopus/shoschil.htm) whether he knows the date of first publication of the Three Fantastic Dances, Op.5. If I can't find out anything in the affirmative, I'll let you both know so that you can delete the composer page and the work, and I'll delete the score from IMSLP-US. --Jdeperi 04:11, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

I received a response from Onno:

Hello Jonathan,

These pieces were originally published as opus 1. According to Moisenko the pieces were not published until 1937 at Shostakovich's request, though Martynov correctly gives the first publication as 1926. Two autograph copies, both marked opus 5 are in existence; the earlier version preserved at the St. Petersburg Institute of the Theatre, Music and Cinematography and the definitive acore at the USSR Archives of Literature and Art.

The first commercially available score: Muzgiz, No. 7078 (1926), numbered opus 1, 35,5 cm. Later: International Music, No. 2252 (1941), 30,5 cm and several other editions by Anglo-Soviet Music Press, Edition Musicus, Soyuz Sovetskii Kompozitorov, Russian-American Music, Edwin F. Kalmus, Hans Sikorski, Edition Peters, G. Schirmer, Muzyka, etc.

Hope this helps.

Onno van Rijen

Please proceed to delete the composer and work pages, I guess. --Jdeperi 15:53, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Done. Interesting that Shosta, who I understand too have been quite the child prodigy, didn't publish until later.-- Snailey (_@/) _{Talk to Me Email me} 16:30, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Onne Van Rijen sent me the identical answer. So, it would appear that nothing of Shosta is free in the USA until 2022. Carolus 20:42, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

so does that mean

that the imslp.us/link/generate form doesn't work on Safari (5.0.5) on OS 10.6(.7) ? I guess it really is time to manually generate the links then... thanks... Eric 20:11, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Sorry Eric. I didn't realize I needed to update the generator. It should be generating the correct links now. Please let me know if you have any difficulties at all -- you should NEVER have to generate anything manually! :-) --Jdeperi 02:48, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Template:USA-C-notrenewed

Hallo Jdeperi, Could you please revert your changes to this template: There are works that are perfectly free in Canada where this template is used. See e.g. http://imslp.org/wiki/Wind_Quintet,_Op.95_(Foerster,_Josef_Bohuslav). If you need a copyright notice with the text you inserted, you should maybe create a new template - as it is, you inserted warnings on pages that do not need them.--Kalliwoda 13:10, 12 September 2011 (UTC)