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Ταξινομώντας την Λίστα Έργων ανα Αριθμό Έργου (Opus)

My idea was that it would be nice if the composer's pages could be sorted by opus number and by composition date or by any other field. This is not very simple, and a wiki expert would come in handy ...:) Wikimedia sorts categories alphabetically by default. My idea was gonna work, but failed at last: I created a subcategory "Works by Composer X by Opus Number" (sample :Category:Enescu, George, by Opus Number). Via the description template (each work would be included in that category, with t::he opus number as the sort key (thus [[Category:{{{Composer}}} by Opus Number|{{{Opus number}}}]] However, the category entries are NOT listed by their sort key, but by their page name...

Any ideas how to make this work so that the opus number are displayed? Maybe DynamicPageList2 could help this problem. Or any other method.

see also wikimedia help page.

--Peter 06:32, 5 November 2006 (EST)

The most common way people are handling this is with redirect. The most obvious problem with this is the amount of redundancy.

Beethoven, Ludwig van Op.91 Wellingtons Sieg using [[Category:Beethoven Opus]]
Op.91 Wellingtons Sieg Beethoven, Ludwig van using [[Category:Opus]]
both redirect to ->
Wellingtons Sieg Op.91 (Beethoven, Ludwig van)

Another way is to use a sort key but I haven't seen a lot of success in this order of magnitude yet.

[[Category:category name|sort key]]

On this page -Wellingtons Sieg Op.91 (Beethoven, Ludwig van)- you could put:

[[Category:Opus|Op.91, Wellingtons Sieg (Beethoven, Ludwig van)]]

and on this page -Lyric Pieces, Op.43 (Grieg, Edvard)- you could put

[[Op.43 Lyric Pieces, (Grieg, Edvard)]]

I can already see problems with the idea. The amount of variables in naming conventions from composer to composer, what exactly the syntax of key is and relying on people to be able to follow the key rule, what the actual output on the category page is going to come out like. Experiment a bit with the key, maybe we can come up with something.

The dynamic list could eventually solve the problem but hasn't addressed issues needed here yet.

Obviiously there is always the manual way, search for "opus" and create a category page with what is listed, or create a template that is included in every opus page, then use the "what links here" to find all opus'.

--A Witt 08:02, 5 November 2006 (EST)

Or I can try to make a special page that sorts pages in a composer category by the opus number listed on the page itself... but the problem is of course that not all works have opus numbers and it's not going to be easy writing the thing lol. The amount of CPU load needed for this (especially for large categories) might be a problem, but I could cache the results and add stuff only when a new page is submitted.

But I won't have time to take up such a (relatively) large coding job for a while... --Feldmahler 09:51, 5 November 2006 (EST)

Ok, I've been lurking on this site for a while, and it seems to me that one of the absolute most obvious things that could be done, that would fix this issue, hasn't been done. Make a list page. Write of lists of every work, possibly more than one (by opus or other normal cataloging number, by genre, pure alphabetical). I don't know the mechanics of this project, but as a Wikipedian one of its tenants is that this isn't paper, text takes up little room. There should be plenty of room for as many pages as needed, so why not make lists -- it not only solves the sorting issue, it allows people to see what's /not/ there, and help fill in. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ 20:33, 8 November 2006 (EST)

Well... that is a way of doing it :) The problem now is... who's going to do this? On another note, I think Chopin is actually complete, with the addition of his Op.3 (yey). --Feldmahler 20:39, 8 November 2006 (EST)

We can copy the lists of Wikipedia. The only thing that we have to do is change the links to IMSLP. But still, the programmed lists seem the best....--Peter 18:01, 9 November 2006 (EST)

Classical Music Archives

I'm wondering what people think of adding links for composer and piece to the CMA site/page and actual file for people that are registered on that site. While many of the files will be general midi, are sometimes programmed and don't sound all that great, they're still great for reference and a quick reminder what piece it is. There are also audio files of performances. They have a free registration that gets you 5 free files a day then paid memberships for more. Maybe we could even get them to link the other way for score that is available here and perhaps a discount on paid memberships for members of IMSL.

Like for Beethoven's category there can be a link to his page

Beethoven at Classical Music Archives

and like for the Piano_Sonata_No.32_(Beethoven,_Ludwig_van) page here,
has the Beethoven Sonatas at Classical Music Archives link that goes to the Sonatas section on the Beethoven page

and...

MIDI file at Classical Music Archives (registered users)

goes directly to the MIDI or audio file if there is one for CMA registered users.

Just throwin the idea out there.

--A Witt 14:21, 5 November 2006 (EST)

djvu files

I recently submitted some djvu files. However, in contrast to the websites I got them, on IMSLP I have to download the djvu files first before i can view them, in an external viewer. How can I make the djvu files on IMSLP to be viewable in a browser plugin?--Peter 05:25, 17 December 2006 (EST)

The reason is that this host is using a horribly old version of the MIME type file. But it should be fixed now since I added DJVU to htaccess :) --Feldmahler 06:41, 17 December 2006 (EST)