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Hi Funper! The reason for the rather bad-looking thumbnail of the preview image is because the image is too large, and so the scaling was left up to the browser, which doesn't do a good job of it (though that has to be, or else it'd freeze up the computer). It's a good idea to fit all preview images (of course the PDF/DJVUs are a completely different thing) within 2 megapixels, or at the very most 3 (2 mp better though) :) I had to limit the server-side resizing of images to 3 megapixel because the server is a small server, and cannot handle resizing more than that... --Feldmahler 12:48, 25 May 2007 (EDT)

P.S. In case there's misunderstandings, 2 megapixel means that width in pixels times height in pixels equals 2 million (pixels). --Feldmahler 12:50, 25 May 2007 (EDT)

The covers are way to over the limit (9.5 megapixels!) I will upload some new smaller ones. --Funper 13:08, 25 May 2007 (EDT)
Thanks for archiving this page by the way! I haven't had the time :) --Funper 13:15, 25 May 2007 (EDT)

Weber Piano Sonatas


I'm curious why Liszt's editions of Weber's Piano Sonatas are under Liszt rather than Weber. Are they arrangements of Weber's sonatas, like the arrangements for piano of Schubert songs? Do they not have S. number because they aren't really Liszt's compositions but Weber's?


I think it is just Funper's enthusiasm for Liszt ;) Though I agree that those compositions should at least also be put under the appropriate page in Weber's category. --Feldmahler 16:52, 25 May 2007 (EDT)

You tell me. Feel free to compare both Liszt's edition and the ones on Weber. Accually Liszt's edititorial works are much like transcriptions. You will see by comparing them both that the ossia in Liszt's edition is quite different from Weber's original.

To answer Feldmahler: No. Liszt have made other editorial work that goes under S. numbers, see Schubert Impromptus, S.565b (Liszt, Franz) :) --Funper 16:54, 25 May 2007 (EDT)

... which should also be put under the corresponding Schubert page ;) All transcriptions and editions should at least be put under the page of the original composer. Really, having one file in multiple pages is not a bad thing at all :) --Feldmahler 14:57, 26 May 2007 (EDT)

Bülow-Marsch, S.230 (Liszt, Franz)...

...still contains logos of a commonly available source. I haven't checked your other recent additions, maybe they do to. Please delete the logos. You can replace the file afterwards by going here Liszt - S230 Bülow Marsch.pdf and clikcing on upload new version.Peter talk 15:23, 26 May 2007 (EDT)

your contribution

Thank you very much for making available such large portions of Ferenc Liszt's work.
I'm just curious to know whether you are going to submit all of his compositions or whether you follow a special interest.
To pronounce what I'm looking for: are you going to make his Religious Music available, too?
I would appreciate this very much - if you have the sources, I would love to find his Church Music here!
Best wishes --Thomas Gebhardt 17:52, 27 May 2007 (EDT)
Dear Thomas,
In my nearby library there are some scores of his choral works. I will buy an adapter for my scanner tomorrow, and the first thing I will do after that is to visit my library and ask for facsimile editions of Liszt's choral works. If I couldn't find any out of copyright editions, I will scan whatever edition of his choral works that I get my hands on, then I will provide you with a personal link. This will ofcoarse mean that I would appreciate someting in return to..
I myself wish to put a special interest in his piano works. If you have any scores of Liszt that you are able to share, please feel free to upload them. Submissions are allways encouraged and appreciated! --Funper 19:22, 27 May 2007 (EDT)
Sorry. I was to hasted about that. I still don't have an adapter for my scanner. --Funper 18:14, 31 May 2007 (EDT)


Hi Funper, would you happen to have the first version of Die Lorelei? I mean the version written in 1841 and published in 1843, not the 1856 version. Physicist 23:02, 27 May 2007 (EDT)

There are so many Liszt pieces... Atleast give me the Searle :) --Funper 23:05, 27 May 2007 (EDT)
You don't have all the S numbers memorized? ;-) I should have mentioned it, it's S.273. Physicist 23:35, 27 May 2007 (EDT)
No I don't think that I have it, but I have a piano transcription from 1861. --Funper 09:03, 31 May 2007 (EDT)
Okay, thank you for checking. The piano transcription would be of interest to me, if uploading it wouldn't inconvenience you. Physicist 13:40, 6 June 2007 (EDT)
Not at all, Die Lorelei, S.532 (Liszt, Franz). --Funper 14:37, 6 June 2007 (EDT)
Thank you very much! I'll play through it this weekend. Physicist 21:51, 7 June 2007 (EDT)


Hi there Funper! Just a heads up that I responded to your last post on my talk page; I think there was a misunderstanding. I also put my final response on the reason behind it there :) --Feldmahler 01:20, 30 May 2007 (EDT)

Liszt--Alleluia et Ave Maria, S.183

The Alleluia file is missing (although I know it was available formerly); could you upload it again?

Thank you. --Guifre 09:42, 2 June 2007 (EDT)

That file was deleted since it was from Neue Liszt-Ausgabe; which is not public domain. If you want to typeset from the score I could send it to you.. --Funper 03:33, 4 June 2007 (EDT)
Well, I don not know how to typeset a score and I am too busy now. Thank you anyway.--Guifre 11:48, 4 June 2007 (EDT)
"Look around you. All artists are prepared to suffer for their work, but why are so few interested in learning how to draw?" --Funper 06:09, 7 June 2007 (EDT)

Lieder von Goethe, Liszt

I'd like to know if you have this musical score:

Sechs Lieder Von Goethe, S468, transcription for piano (after Beethoven: Opp. 75, 83, 84):

Mignon - Mit Einem Gemalten Bande - Freudvoll Und Leidvoll (Egmont) - Es War Einmal Ein Konig (Faust) - Wonne Der Wehmut - Die Trommel Geruhret

--Taratata 04:19, 3 June 2007 (EDT)

Yes I do, I have on from Neue Liszt-Ausgabe which unfortunaitely it is not public domain, but I have some other scores which might be.. --Funper 03:34, 4 June 2007 (EDT)

Thank you for your answer...--Taratata 17:14, 5 June 2007 (EDT)

I have uploaded the first song, Mignon (S.468/1), Edition Peters. I have all the songs in a recent edition which is not PD. If you provide me with an email I could send you the songs from the recent edition. --Funper talk 16:05, 19 June 2007 (EDT)

Thanks, my e-mail is --Taratata 07:42, 22 June 2007 (EDT)

Thank you so much!

Thank you so much for getting back to me about the Magyar Rapszodiak!! I just saw this message. I'll try with this title, I hope I'll find it. Again, thanks a lot! Deniz Kurtel

Paul Stetsenko

Funper, I'm not sure if I've done this correctly, could you check? There is a composer page for Paul Stetsenko, but the only composition on it is a transcription. I've moved the transcription to the Bach Cantata No.29 page. If I've done this properly, would you delete the Paul Stetsenko page? Thank you. Physicist 09:56, 20 June 2007 (EDT)

Sure. Done. --Funper talk 09:59, 20 June 2007 (EDT)

Liszt's Winterreise transcription (S561)

Yesterday I bought another of Leslie Howard's CDs on Liszt works. This time was the second volume of Schubert's transcription. I went crazy about Liszt's Winterreise transcription. It's incredible (and also incredible recorded by Howard). Do you think it is possible to get this score? I did an unsucessful search at my local library. Well thanks anyway, take care. nachoBA

If you have access to Neue Liszt-Ausgabe, Winterreise is in the 21st volume of the 2nd series (FREE ARRANGEMENTS AND TRANSCRIPTIONS FOR SOLO PIANO). If you don't have access to Neue Liszt-Ausgabe, then I have a score, if you want it I could send it to your email. --Funper talk 19:22, 21 June 2007 (EDT)
Unfortunately I don't have access to the Neue Liszt-Ausgabe, in the library there are some scores but not all of Liszt's scores. My email is, thanks in advance. Have you heard some of Howard's recordings? What do you think about his Liszt's interpretations?. Take care. nachoBA
Personally, I think that someone who has played Liszt's almost complete oeuvre must have some very close playing-resemblance to Liszt himself. I one time heard an amature recording of the 2-piano version of Les Preludes (Symphonic Poem No.3) then I heard Leslie Howards recording of the solo piano version. I thought that they were the same! I remember that he also played Ave maria, S.558/12 very delicate (the songstimme being really "upfront" in his recording). --Funper talk 00:33, 22 June 2007 (EDT)

12 Etudes d'exécution transcendante, S.139, No.2

Hi again Funper - I have some questions about the Transcendental Etude No.2, and I'd like to consult an edition other than Busoni's, which I already own and which is the one here at IMSLP. Do you have another edition? If so, could you either post it or send it to me? Thank you very much. (Actually, I'm rather ignorant about Liszt editions. Is there one that you consider to be the most authoritative? The NLA, maybe?) Physicist 11:01, 4 July 2007 (EDT)

To date, I think that I have three different editions of the Transcendental Etudes. I use the one from Neue Liszt-Ausgabe when I am playing, but I don't think that there are any difference between that and the one from Breitkopf except fingerings maybe. Nevertheless, I will send it to you together with the rest of those of his etudes that are published in Neue Liszt-Ausgabe. --Funper talk 11:14, 4 July 2007 (EDT)

Robert Franz arrangements

Hi Funper, thanks so much for working so hard on F.L. music. I wonder if you had chance to find a score of Robert Franz Lieer transcriptions: S.489, Zwölf Lieder [12 pieces] (1848)

Beautiful music and excellent arrangemebts by Liszt. Will appreciate a scan :) Yours


give me email address, i'll send. --Funper talk 19:44, 6 July 2007 (EDT) Thanks Funper!

Liszt's Douze Etudes (Etudes in 12 exercises): File corrupted

Hi Funper,

I had problem downloading the abovementioned file. Says that the file is corrupted. Is it okay if you upload the file again? Need to learn it for my technical exams, thanks in advance!

Harmonies Poetiques et Religeuses (earlier editions) & other religious works

Hi Funper, 1st off, thanks for all your additions to the site, especially the hard-to-find Liszt scores! I was wondering if you might have some of the 1847 HPeR scores such as the Invocation (1st version), Litanies de Marie (2nd version), Hymne du Matin, and Hymne de la nuit. They should all be public, eh? Also, the two solo piano pieces from the Christus Oratorio should be public. I am very interested in them as well. I see you have quite a few pieces from the NLA. These pieces should be in vols 9 & 16. Maybe we could even trade if you have them. I have quite a few pieces of Liszt not on this site. If you are interested, reply to this with your email address and maybe we could trade. Thanks again. ctt216

Very nice idea. We could trade collections. Let me just have my computer and I will upload them on a torrent site. I will provide you with the link. --Funper talk 07:56, 30 August 2007 (EDT)

Hej! Kan vi snacka på svenska?=)

Hejsan, jag såg att du pratar svenska och tänkt fråga dej hur det fungerar här. Jag är inte så bra på engelska så jag förstår inte riktigt allt när jag förösker läsa mej till hur jag ska göra för att ladda upp filer. Hur gör jag t.ex. för att få mina inscannade noter att bli i PDF-format? Och hur laddar jag upp noterna på sidan sen? Skulle vara glad om du på något sätt svarade, hittade inte nån mailadress eller något på din pres, så jag skrev här istället. Du kan svara mej på eller på diskussion på min sida eller något... Tack /Thobias

New Liszt scores from collection

Hi Funper, thanks for discovering all those nice new Liszt scores. If you agree I've additionally uploaded monochrome versions because the original files are so large. I think the quality for printout is quite ok (..provided that the original colour scans are good ;-). Regards Hobbypianist 11:14, 3 September 2007 (EDT)

Thanks indeed, I did not know that color scans could be converted into monochrome. How did you do that? What program did you use? --Funper talk 06:05, 4 September 2007 (EDT)
nothing special...I use Adobe Acrobat to extract the color images as TIFFs with the following settings: monochr. compression: CCITT G4, gray scale/color compression: LZW, color range: monochrome (that's important) and resolution: automatically. Thus Adobe converts the images automatically into small monochrome TIFFs of about 40-80kB size. But this will take several minutes especially whith very large one has to be patient, I just let Adobe work and wait for the result ;-). Then I use PDFCreator to make the pdf. Just let me know, I can create small files from other uploaded scores, too....some are really gigantic. Hobbypianist 13:46, 4 September 2007 (EDT)
What version are you using? I am using version 7 and I only get odd dot-images. --Funper talk 14:07, 4 September 2007 (EDT)
it's Version 5.0. Hobbypianist 14:18, 4 September 2007 (EDT)
Hobbypianist, I am sorry but I seem to be completely unable to convert the scans correctly. I am using Acrobat Pro 7 and I did what you told me step by step several times. I just can't get it right! Instead, I end up getting files that look like this:
Error creating thumbnail: The thumbnail for this file has not been created yet.
, do you know what I am doing worng? --Funper talk 16:01, 4 September 2007 (EDT)

It seems as if this is grayscale! As I said the most important thing is to tell Acrobat to extract and save the images in 1-bit monochrome. Of course you can extract them as they are and then manually process them with PhotoShop for example, but that's by far much more work. You would first have to increase the contrast to 90-100% in order to get rid of the light coloured areas and then convert the image into blackwhite. If Adobe 5.0 can do this all at once then the higher Version 7 should also be able to do it. Are there perhaps further settings for extracting / converting images in Version 7.0, maybe somewhere else in the menu bar, which you didn't take into account? Maybe I didn't translated the expressions 100% correctly: the 1st setting is Schwarz-Weiß-Komprimierung (blach-white compression) = CCITT G4, the 2nd ist Graufarben-/Farb-Komprimierung (gray scale-/color-compression) = LZW, the 3rd one is Farbbereich (colour range) = black-white resp. monochrome and the 4th Auflösung (resolution) = automatically. If it doesn't work at all, you can leave me a message whenever you upload a lage score. I can then add the smaller monochr. version. Hobbypianist 17:33, 4 September 2007 (EDT)

Ok, I've seen the Sonata you've just uploaded, it seems to work now ;-)Hobbypianist 18:11, 4 September 2007 (EDT)
Hi, as you can see, I have worked out a way with Photoshop, but it took up to much of a time. I don't usually work with 7.0 but it is all I got on this computer, tomorrow I shall get my old one and try to work it out with 8.0 which I have on it. There are many 100+ mb scores but I think that those should be uploaded as they are (in color; maybe optimized to reduce filesize) since they are historical editions prepared for study purpose rather than for playing. Nevertheless, I think that it would be suitable if all scans could be prepared for playing, i.e. converted to monochrome. I shall give it another try tomorrow when my computer is ready, then I'll get back to you. By the way, if you are interested in the project, feel free to take part! ;-) --Funper talk 18:20, 4 September 2007 (EDT)
For a start I can look after files >100 MB (those mentioned on the project page). I think the best way (and the least work) to upload them as they are is to split them with Adobe into ~25MB parts which seems a reasonable size. Or do you have a special program to compress a large file with color images? While I am at it I can also create monochrome versions. Btw, did you have success with Version 8? Hobbypianist 15:48, 5 September 2007 (EDT)
My computer didn't came yesterday, instead it will come tomorrow so I haven't had the opportunity to try it out. But when it comes, I will try to optimize the files losslessy to keep them under 100 mb, if that doesn't work I will try spliting them in half, e.g. Transcendental Etudes Part I: Nos.1-6, Part II: Nos.7-12, etc. If you want you can start converting some of the large files to monochrome, I will catch up with you tomorrow. --Funper talk 05:45, 6 September 2007 (EDT)
Some files give good results after conversion while others are rather poor. The colour images from Ab Irato for example don't have enough contrast to be converted automatically by Adobe. It depends on how they have been scanned. Not evenly scanned pages cause light or white stripes or blurred notes. Well, one could extract the color images as they are and process each of them manually in Photoshop (I tried it with the 1st page), but that takes a lot of time... I think I will first upload the files with acceptable results and at the end one can consider to convert the missing ones manually step by step. Hobbypianist 12:26, 6 September 2007 (EDT)
Some low contrasted scores can actually be converted to monochrome with good quality, by manually changing the threshold in Photoshop CS2. I had to do that with every page in Fantasia und Fugu uber das Thema von BACH. Quite good results. --Funper talk 08:03, 9 September 2007 (EDT)
I meant automatic conversion with Adobe 5.0 doesn't work with low contrast images... Of course, manual conv. gives almost always good results provided the resolution is high enough (which fortunately is the case with the present Liszt scans.) Indeed the Threshold-function is fantastic though the files get a bit larger than normal but it's ok. Hobbypianist 13:38, 11 September 2007 (EDT)

Composition list

Hi Funper, a few days ago I corrected some German expressions in Liszt's work list, however the first part (1-350) still shows the old version. Are the pages protected anyhow or does the system in fact need several days for an update? Hobbypianist 04:55, 21 September 2007 (EDT)

the system need to purge the cache. it should take some few days. however you can do this manually by adding ?action=purge to the address field. --Funper talk 05:16, 21 September 2007 (EDT)
you're right. I've already used this instruction ages ago but didn't remember it at all...I'm getting old :-o Hobbypianist 13:50, 21 September 2007 (EDT)

Collection of Liszt Editions

Hi Funper! I just wanted to ask whether it is possible to split up that page into separate pages... there are 23 files on the page, which is way more than the 15 file hard-limit for the number of files per page. Plus, there is a natural splitting point anyway (by S number). Also, a little more description for the last 19 files might be nice... you can even just copy and paste lines from the first four :) --Feldmahler 18:38, 21 September 2007 (EDT)

i'm not done, yet there are some scores remaining from the volume. i'll try to find an appropriate way for the files to be listed as soon as all from the volume are uploaded. --Funper talk 19:00, 21 September 2007 (EDT)

Regarding the Dana Ruth collection

Hi Funper! I was wondering whether it would be possible for you to submit monochrome versions of the Dana Ruth collection for now, and the original color versions later. I say this because of a few reasons:

  1. The color versions really are a little too large: at 1.5MB/page it is more than 10 times larger than comparable quality scans in monochrome.
  2. The entire Dana Ruth collection is probably somewhere between 6-7GB. This would force me to upgrade the server faster than was planned. Bandwidth is not actually the issue right now, but disk space is rather precious... I don't mind one or two color scans, but 6-7GB of color scans is a little too much right now.
  3. The color versions really cannot be printed well on (currently commonplace) monochrome lasers.

I do recognize that this collection is one of a kind, so I'm not asking that you stop the Dana Ruth project, or that you not submit the color scans. I'm just wondering whether you could submit monochrome conversions of the scans for the time being, and wait until next year before submitting the original color scans, as the planned upgrade will take place in December/January :) Thanks! --Feldmahler 13:13, 22 September 2007 (EDT)

ok. no more color scans after volume 2, atleast until the upgrade. --Funper talk 13:54, 22 September 2007 (EDT)

Magyar Dalok S.242

Hi, Funper. Thanks for providing me with these great scores. Do you have the missing ones, specially number 21? I would thank you a lot. Paulo

no i haven't but neue liszt ausgabe does. your library should have this one. besides, i haven't provided these scores for anyone individually (except myself of coarse, i can't wander around with a usb stick all days!) :) --Funper, Stockholm, 2007. talk 16:25, 25 September 2007 (EDT)
Hi Funper, thank you for your prompt answer. Of course I know you did not provide these scores for anyone individually, but to the IMSLP community. I have asked the specific number 21 because in Brazil, where I live, it is impossible to get it in libraries.
my library has neue liszt ausgavbe. i can scan it for you if it's there. unfortunately, series 1 doesn't have no. 21, but the supplement volumes might have. i will have a look. --Funper, Stockholm, 2007. talk 17:17, 25 September 2007 (EDT)

Funper, thank you very much. I am very grateful for your help.

we'll see what happens.. --Funper, Stockholm, 2007 talk 12:48, 26 September 2007 (EDT)

Re: CD Sheet Music

thanks for the note on CDSM - I don't mind just putting "commercially available resource" but then I wasn't sure if those checking would know enough about where it came from...

From now on, anything I upload that says "commercially available resource" can be assumed to be from CDSM unless specified otherwise.



Hi Funper, I removed an entry in the <scanner> field of a work which is from here. Please see the answer on my talk page. Shouldn't we omit the name also here? I mean, it's just a precaution. Hobbypianist 08:45, 11 October 2007 (EDT)

We have discussed this before - we came up to leave it as it is. Precautions aren't really necessary in this case: it wouldn't matter even if the president of USA himself made a scan, the score and all scans thereof are out of copyright. Besides, there is nothing wrong with giving proper cred to classical-sheet-music, afterall scanning takes a lot of time and work.. --Funper talk 13:42, 11 October 2007 (EDT)
I don't mean to object to this, but isn't this a bit in contradiction with the position on CDSM? I mean, both claim an (inexistent) copyright; and who tells us that classical-sheet-music doesn't plan to make money (e.g. via advertising), too? --Leonard Vertighel 14:01, 11 October 2007 (EDT)
Maybe it's so, but here is what has been said regarding this issue. --Funper talk 14:05, 11 October 2007 (EDT)
oops, I've just seen the corresponding section in your talk archive. (Well, nevertheless it seems indeed a bit contradictory following the discussion on CDSM.) ...but anyway, I will add the reference again. Hobbypianist 15:10, 11 October 2007 (EDT)

Gaudeamus igitur. Concert paraphrase, S.240 (Liszt, Franz)

Hi. This NLA edition is to my knowledge copyright 2001 (Worldcat + NLA website), and not pre-1989. I can be wrong, but you'll have to prove that this publication is older. So its status is back on copyright review since this is the status with most evidence until now. Liszt or not, we can't make exceptions - how hard it might be for the enthusiast ... Best regards Peter talk 16:07, 17 October 2007 (EDT)

Frrtt....! (I'm sorry, this is the closest I can get to a very special sound, no matter how hard it might be to squeeze one). I assumed that it was Series 1, Volume 16 (Klavier-Versionen Eigener Werke II), 1982, Z.8859. since it is an original work, but obviously emb doesn't care about Searle's numbering (Raabe). It is post-1989 so it should be removed. See it is not that hard to talk to the entusiast! I, like yourself, "don't want anything to happen to IMSLP." --Funper talk 16:22, 17 October 2007 (EDT)

Liszt Organ Works

Hi Funper, thanks for your words. I will continue scanning more works and no problem in doing it in monochrome. Take care. NachoBA