User talk:Karin Bütler

Hi Karin, welcome to IMSLP and thanks for your contributions! I noted you uploaded some scans and also some typesetted scores. Do you happen to know the source of these files? (e.g. who typesetted the scores or who scanned them). If you do, you may put that info in the file description form, along with possible publisher information.
Best wishes, --Peter 18:02, 27 December 2006 (EST)

Hello Peter - thank you for welcoming me (and correcting the mistakes in my articles ;-))! Unfortunately, I rarely know any publisher information as I got most scores from my local conservatory, which means, I usually trawl through the library, looking for old editions, and then copy them directly there... therefor I only have seperated sheets at home and cannot determine which edition it originally was in. As for the typsettet scores, I found them online some time ago, but unluckily I forgot where it was :-). But I'll add the missing information as soon as I figured them out! Best regards --Karin Bütler 21:00, 27 December 2006 (EST)

Hi Karin! I see that you are trying to submit Alkan's Op.10... but since it is a set of four pieces, it is probably a good idea to put them on the same work page, as to reduce the clutter in the composer category :) You can move files by simply copying the corresponding wikitext over from another page. Also, you might find the score submission guidelines helpful, as it lists what to do in certain cases :)

Thanks for the files! --Feldmahler 19:38, 30 December 2006 (EST)

Hello Feldmahler! Yes, I uploaded Op.10 No.1 but as I haven't got a second one yet, I simply forgot to make a workpage for all three or four pieces (I thought No.3 is lost - so there are probably only three of them left...). Thank you for your advice, though. I already read the score submission guidelines (several times :-)), you may be surprised to hear - I simply struggle with some small details sometimes :-). But I'm getting better: I just put Op.32 together - be proud of me :-). Best regards --Karin Bütler 20:19, 30 December 2006 (EST)
Hehehe, not bad :) Interesting scores you managed to get there... are you a conservatory student too? --Feldmahler 22:10, 30 December 2006 (EST)
Lol... I somehow forgot to read your user page, which would answer my question ^_^;; Also, a happy new year to you! --Feldmahler 03:45, 31 December 2006 (EST)


German Translation

Great! And yes, its a good idea to copy the original text over and translate only the text (so you don't have to worry about the coding part) :) I'll write both of your names (yours and Jijimufu's) on the Internationalization page.

And about the signatures, you just have to type ~~~~ and the program will automatically substitute your name and the time :) Like this -> --Feldmahler 22:00, 1 January 2007 (EST)

I was just checking the forums when I realized that I *somehow* managed to miss your offer to translate IMSLP to German the last time I checked, even though I apparently answered another thread right above it... sorry! I must have been seriously sleep-deprived back then... --Feldmahler 05:59, 2 January 2007 (EST)
Well, obviously I'm getting mobbed here! :-D No, don't worry, it doesn't matter - I know you cannot be everywhere at the same time!
I've just finished translating the main page into German - I may still have to alter some formulations, but the layout surprisingly looks quite as it should :-). It's titled "Hauptseite" in case you want to add it to the English main page... I'll translate the other less important sites bit by bit - I hope there is not all too much of a rush!
Ah, it's ~~~~! Stupid me made only three of this stripes! But it isn't important anymore, as the editing panel works again! Bye --Karin Bütler 18:54, 2 January 2007 (EST)


Hello Karin, it seems that you have all of the Alkan under control, but I thought I would offer (just in case) a few scores of his that you haven't uploaded yet and don't have on your list. They are:

Super flumina babylonis, Op. 52
Steibelt Variations, Op. 1
3 Etudes de bravoure Op. 12 (different from Op. 16)
Variations in the old style after Donizetti's Elisir d'amore
Transcription of Jamais dans ces beaux lieux from Gluck's Armide
Le Vent (No. 2 from Trois Morceaux Op. 15)
Toccatina, Op. 75
Sonatine, Op. 61

I have a feeling you have these already, since a lot of the files you uploaded are exactly the same as ones I already possessed, which I had a hard time coming by. Did you perchance get them from the same site I did? It was this Japanese site from a long time ago...

--Goldberg988 00:45, 4 January 2007 (EST)

Hello Goldberg! No, actually I haven't got any of these scores you listed above (- everything under control, though :-) -) so please feel free to add them. I didn't know there where some 'Etudes des bravoure' in another Opus... cool! But even if I was going to add them myself you could just have uploaded them anyway...whoever gets first :-). No, it's really kind you're asking. Finally my scanning queue makes sense :-). I mean, you stole the show anyway by uploading the "Piano Symphony" which was listed on the wishlist :-D. Hehe. No, I'm really looking forward to your scores! Let's make the Alkan site explode! :-) --Karin Bütler 09:21, 4 January 2007 (EST)
Oh I forgot: No, I didn't get the scores from a Japanese site, since I got real problems navigating such sites :-). Most of them I found on different internet sites, a few from friends and others I scanned myself... Bye :-)

Actually, I didn't upload the piano symphony, but thanks anyway! By the way, have you ever gotten around to learn any of these works by Alkan? They have always intimidated me (especially the Minor Etudes and the Grande Sonate, which are my to favorite opera). --Goldberg988 09:38, 4 January 2007 (EST)

You didn't? Ah right, it was beethoven986... only thing I remembered were the three numbers behind the nickname - excuse me! :-) Yes, Alkans pieces are intimidating and a lot of work , indeed. I never started with any of the Minor Etudes nor the Grande Sonate. I play the Scherzo-Focoso and the Marche Funèbre - which I both love! I used to play the Rondeau Chromatique but I forgot most parts of it... quite sad regarding the effort I put in. But one thing I always wonder about Alkan's pieces: Aren't there a lot of similarities to Chopin-Works? Most of all in the left hand? Some parts of the Concerto da Camera resemble somehow a Chopin Prelude. And the figure of the left hand is like the one in Chopin's Fantaisie-Impromptu in some parts - I know Chopin hated that piece himself so maybe he really copied a little bit... On the other hand it could just as possibily be a simple coincidence... I may take up another Alkan piece in future... Do you play any Alkan pieces? And 'playing' of relative ;-) --Karin Bütler 10:46, 4 January 2007 (EST)
No, I've never attempted any of Alkan's works. To be brutally honest, they don't really appeal to me. there was a time when I was really into his music, listening to everything I could, but now it all sounds kind of trite to me, very technical and not much substance. The Grande Sonate excepted, though; it's a wonderful work.--Goldberg988 20:39, 4 January 2007 (EST)

Hello again. Just wanted to add that I think you are absolutely right an I perfectly understand what you mean by saying Alkan's music lacks substance. To me, a lot of his works (and the ones from other, mostly late romantic composers) sound to me very technical and dry. But the pieces I listed above are different. The Rondo for example has a very pleasant melody - earworm-like even :-). Anyway. I saw you will upload the sonatine Op.61, right? Because I had that on my list, too, but forgot it. I deleted it now so you can upload it if you want... bye! --Karin Bütler 13:30, 6 January 2007 (EST)

For some reason, I'm missing the first and last movements of Op. 61. I don't know what happened to them... so if you can please upload it. I'll listen to the Rondo-- and maybe I'll get an "earworm"? you're so German  :-) --Goldberg988 14:07, 6 January 2007 (EST)
Hehehe. Isn't "earworm" an official english word? Anyhow, already caught it? :-) Cheering, isn't it? (Now, thats rather British, isn't it? ;-)). No, I know I lack English - I've got some serious problems with prepositions... I speak better than I write, though. --Karin Bütler 14:34, 6 January 2007 (EST)

Hello Karin

Gute Arbeit!!! Hast du vielleicht Alkans Concerto da Camera - Orchestral part, score??? oder weisst du wo das man kann bekommen??? Alkan81 10.30

Hello :)

Heya there :D I am jujimufu, or else Nicolaos-Laonicos Psimicakis-Chalcocondylis, but I bet you'd rather call me juji =D. I am just another member from in here, and I've taken up the Greek translation of the site (I saw you took the German one :D). All I wanted is say hello and just say keep up the good work, because really it takes dedication to spend much of your time translating and uploading all these Alkan scores you've been uploading and everything else :) Take care! ;P ~ jujimufu 21:06, 5 January 2007 (EST)

Heya back :D I also checked your german translation, and although I don't understand nothing from german (All I know in german is "gesuntheit" -or whatever it's spelled- and "Ich kann kaen deutsch" ;P). I also noticed you finished the public domain, gah, it's soooo huge and has so many legal terms. I'll never get through with it :( I still have the public domain and submission pages. I think that's all that's left, until Feldmahler releases templates for the composers pages so we can translate those too, yay! More work on the way! :D
Anyway, yes, I saw the statistics :P Great growth in december, yeah. Well, I actually joined on the 26th, and most of my submissions are from the 26th and 27th, just those two days. BTW, since you're interested in music too, you can check, the forum, where many young composers are registered and upload their compositions to be commented, or comment about other people's compositions, and there is a shoutbox (something like a chat - which I think is what's missing from a wiki, and it would be really cool to have one :P) where you can talk with other composers :D It's really neat. Uh, this so far, and I hope we'll talk again in the future :) Take care! :D ~ jujimufu 14:47, 6 January 2007 (EST) P.S. My msn is in case you have msn too and want to chat sometime or anything, and feel free to copy the entire profile page of mine and change the code to suit your likings, if you want :) It's not like I made anything from scratch, I just used other templates Feldmahler has used in the site ;P

Suite Española No.1, Op.47 (Albéniz, Isaac)

Hey Karin,

i recently downloaded Suite Española No.1, Op.47 (Albéniz, Isaac), and realized it was missing page 5. i was wondering if you had page 5 and could possibly upload it. i really like the song and it is unfortunate not being able to play the entire thing. Thanks.


Alkan Op. 76 etudes


I've been searching for these etudes and was so pleased to find them here! But when I tried to print them, the pdf program asked for a password. Is it set up that way or was there some mistake? These are listed as "public domain", so I thought one could print them... If you can help me with this, please e-mail Thanks!

I would also like to note that many of the PDFs she has upload are password-protected from printing.  :/ Celach 10:45, 17 September 2008 (EDT)

I've removed the encryption from most of the Alkan files. They should be printable now. Hobbypianist 14:52, 23 September 2008 (EDT)