User talk:Schissel/archive12



Hi Eric, I just wanted to pass on some information about this excellent tool because it appears that a version has been made available for the Mac (see this thread). ScanTailor will take your black and white LOC tif files and de-skew them, set uniform white margins, and re-sample them to a higher resolution often with a minimum of manual user corrections. Should you try it out you may want to disable the auto dewarp feature (which really isn't needed for most music scores) as a user in the thread reports that it was causing his ScanTailor to crash. Also, I've noticed on LOC scans that ScanTailor's split pages function will sometimes need to be corrected. I usually re-size the image's canvas to a large square in Photoshop and that avoids that problem. Anyway, I have an ulterior motive for trying to win you over to this software. The uploading of all the available Handbuchs and Verzeichnis is now complete (after just over two months). The total number of pages came to 26,927! I estimate that the Monatsbericht from the beginning up to 1922 will be over 30,000 images. I sure could use a hand and ScanTailor is the best and easiest way to process these files. Let me know if you're interested. If not, that's no problem. Thanks! --Cypressdome 02:57, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Hi Eric! Glad to see ScanTailor is working out for you. I've been waiting for one of your postings to get unblocked to take a look at the results and finally got to see the Parker songs and the one thing that puzzles me is that they are in grayscale. The tif files that ScanTailor creates in the "out" folder are true black and white and the resulting pdf would reflect a file size of about 150kb per page while yours are around 800kb. I extracted a page out as a tif file and sure enough it was grayscale. I would have to guess that whatever program you're using to convert tif to pdf is changing them to grayscale. I also noticed the little "LC" inhabiting the upper part of the scores. Ideally, the select content function would automatically create a rectangle with the page number at the top and the plate number at the bottom but outlying pixels like the LC will often require you to manually override(if you so desire) the automatic detection and drag the selection closer in. Thanks, --Cypressdome 03:26, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Hello again Eric! I didn't intend to sound critical. The quality of the Parker songs is excellent--high quality black and white. In fact, when Acrobat extracted the page image out it was able to do it at nearly 800dpi and that process confirmed that even though there were only two colors in the image it was in grayscale. It doesn't really matter for short scores like these but when you are talking about a 100 page score the black and white will be around 15mb but the grayscale will be around 80mb and all of that extra information is useless since there are only two colors in the image. Reducing the dpi will obviously reduce the file size but at a great cost to the overall quality of the image. I've never used Macs and the only information I could find out about Preview and saving in black and white is here which states that "save as" gives you a drop-down option where you can choose black and white but I have no idea if this is the solution to your issue or not. Thanks, --Cypressdome 01:40, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Hi Eric! Mac Preview makes me glad I have Acrobat! Here's a method I tested earlier today and the results were identical to what I get from Acrobat. The software is free and available for Macs. Install Ghostscript (since you're on a Mac I'm guessing you already have this installed), install Imagemagick, go to a command prompt, navigate to the folder containing the LOC tif files and run the following command: convert -compress Group4 *.tif scorefilename.pdf. As long as your source tif files are monochrome (which the LOC ones are as are all files that get processed by ScanTailor) the result will be a monochrome pdf that has been compressed using the CCITT Group 4 algorithm. --Cypressdome 22:23, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Me again! I looked at your latest pdf created with GraphicsMagick and somehow it's still in grayscale. So I installed GraphicsMagick and tried the gm convert -compress Group4 *.tif scorefilename.pdf on some monochrome tif files and got the same result as you. Spent about 30 minutes troubleshooting to no avail including installing the latest Ghostscript, tiff library software, the other version of GraphicsMagick, various command line options all to no avail. Downloaded and installed ImageMagick and the conversion worked without a problem. There must be some required dll for dealing with tif files/encoding pdf files that comes with the 16mb ImageMagick that is lacking in the GraphicsMagick. --Cypressdome 03:47, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Hi Eric! I tried that monochrome option the other night but that was a dead end. Try this as it worked for me today: mg convert -compress Fax *.tif scorefilename.pdf. The result for me was a true black and white PDF (600+ dpi and no loss of quality with the images) with a file size comparable to one created by Acrobat using CCITT Group 4. I'm guessing the Fax option must be CCITT Group 3 compression. Crossing my fingers! --Cypressdome 23:16, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Looking good Eric! Let me know if you'd be interested in trying out the process on a year of the Monatsbericht. Those from the 1830s are around 100 to 120 pages each. Thanks! --Cypressdome 03:16, 4 August 2011 (UTC)


We now have 2 Bousset's: the father: "Jean-Baptiste Drouart de Bousset" and the son: "René du Bousset". The son is "René Drouard de Bousset" for VIAF, while being "René Drouard du Bousset" for Wikipédia.
I suggest having a single name form for both, like did Fétis and also Eitner (Quellen-Lexikon), who chose "Drouart du Bousset". − Cheers − Pierre Ch. 19:13, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

RE: There's two ...

Dear Eric, it works! Thanks a lot! --Ralph Theo Misch 23:28, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Symphony in C, comment from EFerreri

KGill: (and Eric)

The title is "Symphony in C", C does not refer to the key. If it did, I would have no problem with your logic. That however is not an issue. If I cannot call the piece whatever I wish, than I do not wish to post it on imslp. User:EFerreri (23:11, 27 July 2011)

(from EFerreri)

I hope Eric that this is the proper place to contact you. Regardless of imslp style and convention, no matter how traditionally correct, a composer's title should stand and accurately be reflected on your site as a matter of historical record. I will call this Symphony in Bb if I want. It is my creation and my right.

Since imslp won't allow me to title my composition as I wish, simply delete it, with no hard feelings. EFerreri 28 July 2011 10:40

Fleur des Alpes, Weckerlin

Grove Music says "harmonized by Weckerlin with piano accompaniment". There is no chorus mentioned. If the version with a chorus was original, then the current Boston edition should probably be an arrangement, since it doesn't specifically mention chorus. I've added folksongs tag because Grove Music puts it in that category, also Tyrolienne, since that is a subtitle. I think either the instrumental tag should stay, but an "Arrangements, etc" be added to the current file, or the instrumentation tag should be "v pf". What was your source for the choral version? Steltz 05:19, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Quantz Flute Sonatas

Hi Eric, I used RISM online today to get identifications for all the 20 Quantz Sonatas from DKB. I therefore modified your comments - hope you agree. Now I may only have to check these against the work numbers in Berlin for complete crossreferences...--Kalliwoda 19:50, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Regarding the editio princeps: I cannot believe that editio princeps should restrict use of the original manuscripts - but it has not been argued in court, and so SBB actually warns publishers that it reserves the right to display scans even if publication rights are granted. Moreover, so I obtained microfilm of a manuscript (expensive), made my own performing edition and should then not be allowed to perform from it because in the meantime someone has published an inferior edition - this is crazy!. There are also some interesting cases now where Ostermeyer Horn-Edition has published several Rosetti Partitas, and then Kunzelmann started a "complete edition" including all the works published just 1-2 years earlier by Ostermeyer - but maybe Ostermeyer forgot to register with VG-Musikedition.--Kalliwoda 21:01, 8 August 2011 (UTC)


Hi Eric,

what happened??? Please let me know exactly what I did wrong, so I can improve my work. --TobisNotenarchiv 20:06, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Pierre-Octave Ferroud

Another unsung hero to look out for? I think the quartet could even justify a place in the repertoire if it weren't for the rather too obvious Rite of Spring tribute, ending in C major, no argument! (Sorry, I've been reading some of your recent chat...). Cheers Matesic 17:48, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Alexandre Charles Fessy

What a coincidence that we both had pieces to upload by this guy today ... i'd never heard of him! Massenetique talk email 02:04, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Der Rattenfänger von Hameln

Hi Eric! Do you have an opinion as to what note(s) are missing at the top of page 194? I've cleaned up page 193 and can do 194 if I only knew what note(s) to paint. Thanks, --Cypressdome 00:14, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Eric! Both pages are zipped up for you here. Hope I got it right. --Cypressdome 00:56, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Boekelman, Inauguration March

Hi, Eric. Since there is no mention of an arrangement on the cover page, I think it might be best to tag both 4h and 8h as originals until such time as an earlier version crops up. That would also mean removing the Arrangement header. What do you think? Steltz 11:14, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

K.F. Wasenius

Hi Eric. I was just wondering if you could possibly try to find the source(s) you had that described the 1907/8 change of Wasenius into BIS? I could not find it anywhere, and looking through some old comments it seems as if you have already done some research into the matter. Thanks very much, KGill talk email 02:08, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Richard Wetz

Just "discovered" his Op.43 quartet here which doesn't appear to have been commercially recorded, then found the piece you wrote on him. Did you get to hear either of the quartets? Altmann/Cobbett reckons the first "stands in the front rank of new quartet literature". The first movement certainly impresses, possibly a lament for the war dead? Then of course comes a scherzo... Cheers Matesic 17:02, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Left hand

Hi Eric... I took example on Ernest Chausson with his bicycle (but him died) and broked my right arm... So I can't work easily at present.... Is it possible here to reach all works for piano left hand ?..... I hope you're fine --Squin 15:25, 22 August 2011 (UTC) I see it now..... Bonne journée --Squin 15:32, 22 August 2011 (UTC) Merci...I searched a little piece from Scriabin but unable to remind the op number...It's tonal so sure it's before op 50 but it doesn't appear in the page... si par hasard tu as la réponse ! --Squin 15:42, 22 August 2011 (UTC) Exactly what i searched... A french expression for you  : tu es un "puits de science" --Squin 16:12, 22 August 2011 (UTC)