User talk:Wrshannon


Bach Inventions and Sinfonias

Dear William,

Please follow our guidelines and add your arrangements to the page of the original instead of creating separate pages for the arrangements. The pages you already created are being redirected. Thanks, Carolus 21:01, 22 September 2011 (UTC) (IMSLP Admin)

Thanks, got it. Bill

Erm, you've just done it again with English Suite No.1, Prelude BWV 806 (Bach, Johann Sebastian). I've moved it to 6 English Suites, BWV 806-811 (Bach, Johann Sebastian), where any remaining movements should be added. Thanks — P.davydov 21:53, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Sorry... feeling a bit newbie. Was looking for "add a page" within 6 English Suites, then resorted to the main Bach page. How do we add "arrangement" pages? Thanks

We don't add arrangement pages, but add the files to the "Arrangements and Transcriptions" section of a page (if this section is present). Please read the Style Maunal on how things should be ordered within a major section (which appear as tabs on the workpage). To add the "Arrangements and Transcriptions" tab, use three equal-signs on either side of the "Arrangements and Transcriptions" designation this ===Arrangements and Transcriptions===. Thanks, Carolus 22:44, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

OK (update), I have set up the page for the English Suite No.1, BWV 806 as a separate page. We might have to set up separate pages for each of the six suites if there are lots of arrangements of separate movements. Take a look and see how we've arranged things to use as a model for future uploads. Thanks, Carolus 23:30, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Arrangements and Transcriptions

When you add the designation for the instrument, like "For Organ solo (Arranger)", you have to use 5 equal-signs, not 4, or the instrumentation will not be read by the system. Also, when there are other movements in the arrangements section, you should list things in movement order, using the 4-equal sign header for the movement designation, as can be found here. Thanks, Carolus 04:25, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

I'm glad you clarified this + will do. I did the first 10 not being sure. I'll check and change these if they aren't already. There are 39 more pages... don't want to make more work for you (or me!) Thanks Wrshannon 05:12, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Many thanks! It looks like you're getting the system down perfectly now. Carolus 00:09, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Original Printings

...The publisher is always the original publisher, not the uploader, the scanner or the contributor. It is a "Normal Scan" (not a typeset, or a New Composition, not really a manuscript either), and always public domain. Within the section used for the original version (which can be "Full Scores" "Keyboard Scores" "Chorus Scores" or "Scores and Parts" depending upon the context), the earliest item goes on top, with newer items beneath in chronological order. Look at a page for any of the Beethoven symphonies for an example of this. Carolus 02:00, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Ah yes, I see the difference. There are more scans from Jens Egeberg, and I'll do this format. Just hope he included the publisher info with his WIMA entries. Thanks, Wrshannon 06:33, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Dual Titles

Dear William, We normally do not have work-pages with dual titles, as these are quite problematic from a number of standpoints. I have moved all the dual title items by Andrea Gabreilli, Monteverdi, etc. to their original sacred title, as the secular text was apparently added later. Also, do keep in mind that we're undergoing a major server upgrade shortly (as the site notice mentions), so keeping uploads to a minimum for now is probably a good idea also. Carolus 05:01, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Weihnachts-Oratorium, BWV 248 (Bach, Johann Sebastian)

Hello, Any way the WIMA parts can be combined instead up having them split up without making the redirects from WIMA impossible? If not, this can be done at a later date, but I really see no reason parts for a standard-repertoire work should be split up in such a manner, apart from the relatively few cases where separate movements are actually performed with some frequency. Carolus 02:07, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

I don't have the answer for this as I'm just transferring the files as they appear in WIMA... Do I understand that you are asking if 1-3 and 4-6 can be combined into 1-6? Thanks, Wrshannon 02:20, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Yes, that would be the idea. Don't worry about it for now. It's more important to get the transfer done. That's a feature of some WIMA parts which is very strange. We'll eventually need to fix it, but it will have to wait as we'll have lots of various housekeeping items to deal with once WIMA is uploaded. Carolus 02:41, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

I think we are seeing 'work in progress' installments uploaded to WIMA over a period of time. Patrick Roose's Cocquiel manuscript is on my list -- I haven't added them up, but there must be 100 files or more that he contributed over maybe a year. Unless there is some sort of automation, combining all of those pdf files would be a terrible job! (I would want a grant, I think) Wrshannon 03:44, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

A thing like the Cocquiel manuscript is probably not something we'd want to merge - at least not initially. The only things I'm in favor of merging short-term are things just like the Bach mentioned above - a standard repertoire work which is done by orchestras or ensembles both professional and amateur all over the world which is nearly always performed as a single work. If WIMA has parts for things like Beethoven symphonies split up into separate movements, we might want to wait until they are merged before uploading here, as we already have more than one set of parts for those in most cases. Something like a manuscript collection of multiple works we have to treat differently. We're still sorting out the details on how to handle some of those situations, too. One of the things that WIMA has brought to my attention is the difficulty in handling collections of works by a single composer, or (even worse) a collection assembled form the works of multiple composers. Carolus 03:54, 10 November 2011 (UTC)


If a composer has uploaded their own work to WIMA (and thus to IMSLP), it is always assumed they are the editor (unless there is another editor credited in the score). Absolutely no need to list the composer's name as such. It's actually more important that they be listed as "publisher." Richard St. Clair has a fairly extensive catalog, so keep in mind as you upload. Also, you will find it helpful in the long run to use the templates {{LinkEd|Firstname|Lastname}} for editor and {{LinkArr|Firstname|Lastname}} for arranger. That way, any arrangements and editions done by Richard St. Clair (for example) will appear on his composer page under the correct category (editions, arrangements). Thanks for the uploading! Carolus 02:16, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Pachelbel, Fischer and other organ composers - work titles

It's somewhat pointless to add "for organ" to work titles for such composers as most of their work was written for organ. Using the key as a descriptor is generally the better way to go. The only time one should include instrumentation as a general rule would be when there are different works for different instrumental forces using the same title - like Prelude in D minor for Violin Solo and Prelude in D minor for Organ. In cases like Pachelbel, we thankfully have catalog numbers, which eliminates the need to add instrumentation altogether. For Pachelbel, it appear the Tsukamoto numbers are in the widest use, so I recommend using those (as I've done with some of the items you added). It is always a challenge to deal with composers like this who wrote hundreds of works using the same generic-title. It's a major headache when there is no extant catalogue! (How many Preludes in C minor did this fellow write?) Thanks, Carolus 03:57, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Puccini: Salve Regina

The work you uploaded as a movement from this piece is most likely another piece altogether. The Salve Regina is a short work in F major for soprano and harmonium. The item you uploaded, which I have now moved to a new page entitled Prelude and Fugue in G major is not found (at least not obviously) in Schickling's catalogue of Puccini's work - which I have here. If this is actually a Puccini piece from the period of his other Fugues, there is a possible copyright issue as it is entirely possible that none of these were even performed until less than 50 years ago, which means they're under copyright in Canada. I'll ask Christian to contact the editor about this. I have tagged it C/C/C for now, but that could change rapidly as more info surfaces. Thanks, Carolus 01:53, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Oops.. I misread the WIMA entry to include the Prelude and Fugue as a part of Salve Regina when it should be a separate entry, as you have corrected. Thanks for catching. Wrshannon 03:13, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Site Performance issues

You might want to think about taking a break. The site's behavior is getting strange and we might need to do some repairs. Carolus 07:50, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

We seem to be running better again now! Thanks, Carolus 08:38, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Good Job

I just thought I'd stop by to say thank you for doing such a good job with all the WIMA uploads. You have no idea how much it makes life easier when there are hundreds of files to review. With your uploads, I can just tag them. Much appreciated. Carolus 07:19, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! Wrshannon 07:23, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Byrd - Consort Songs

Hello, If there are a number of these, it is probably best to create pages for each of the songs individually. Hopefully, we'll eventually have facsimiles of the 2 volumes of Psalms, Sonets and Songs (1588, 1611). The second one is for voices and viol consort as I recall. Carolus 17:02, 21 March 2012 (EDT)

That's all for this set... Wrshannon 17:07, 21 March 2012 (EDT)

Vandalism attack

Dear William, You should be aware that we have been under a vandalism attack this evening, so please be careful uploading. Thanks, Carolus 23:30, 25 March 2012 (EDT)

Just chipping-away at WIMA this evening, so I'll hold off. Thanks, Bill Wrshannon 23:38, 25 March 2012 (EDT)