User talk:Adenteuling


Uploading more than one version at a time

Dear Arnold,

If you are using the multi-file uploader to add more than one version of a work (like an edition or the original work plus your own keyboard arrangement), please check the "Force one file per entry" box at the bottom. As you can see from this page for Dit le Burguygnon, we had to split the files you uploaded in order for the category walker to pick up the keyboard / harp arrangement. Also note how the editor and arranger templates have been employed. Thanks, Carolus 01:23, 30 September 2011 (UTC) (IMSLP Copyright Admin)

I think I made the same error with the subsequent files by Alexander Agricola. But I now understand the meaning of the Force one file-box. Thank you. Arnold den Teuling

Various items

OK, time to learn some more details, When you are uploading ...

  1. You can upload the score and parts for a version at one time, as long as there are no more than 4 or 5 real parts (not including transpositions or versions using alternate clefs). Look at some of the Josquin pieces you uploaded over the past couple of days and you will see what I mean. The important thing is to not upload two different versions (the original version and your arrangement for keyboard or harp.
  2. In the editor field, use the following bit of code {{LinkEd|Arnold den|Teuling}}. This will automatically list your editions on your own category page. Use this for editions (not arrangements) of the work.
  3. For arrangements (like those you make for keyboard or harp, where it is for an instrument or group other than what was originally written, use the following code: |Arranger={{LinkArr|Arnold den|Teuling}}.
  4. In the uploader field, use "editor" or "arranger." Unfortunately, your name is too long for that field and causes an unsightly line break.
  5. In the publisher field, use you name - Arnold den Teuling

Practice these simple steps with each upload and things will be approved faster. You will also save the admins and review team here time.

Thanks, Carolus 01:36, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your remarks. I hope I rightly understood them. I uploaded until now two versions of the same work at one time only when there is only one file for the original and no separate parts. Is not that correct and does it cause extra work for you? Of course I will try to use the codes you described.

You did - the latest upload was much improved! Just remember to not include the < nowiki > and < /nowiki > tags. I used those on this page to keep them from functioning as they do on real workpages. Thanks, Carolus 03:54, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Mijn hert heeft altijts verlangen (La Rue, Pierre de)

Hi Arnold! Just to let you know that on this page, somehow the bass part at notated pitch was not transferred - there were two copies of the tenor part instead. Thanks, KGill talk email 21:52, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Having uploaded Sweelinck..

I miss all entries I made of today and yesterday, in the section Rimes Françoises et italiennes. When may I complete the work? Christian Mondrup solved this problem for me, but now I have a new one: the last files I uploaded appear in the list of Contributions, but not in the page Rimes. How can I solve this?

Hi, I think the issue with that page is that you accidentally neglected to close the brackets in one of the LinkEds (you put the text '{{LinkEd|Arnold den|Teuling'), causing the page to crash. It should be fixed now. BTW, I notice that for 'Facciam, cara mia mis File', the two versions of the Tenor part are actually links to the same exact file (notice that the IMSLP# for both entries is 136474) - I guess the treble recorder notation version was not transferred? Thanks, KGill talk email 15:36, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

I noticed the error and uploaded it some moments afterwards seperately, so it is now to be found under the file group. Can you, please, put it in its right place? Sorry for my errors. I have much to learn! Arnold

Oh, sorry - I don't know why I didn't notice that, I guess I wasn't thinking very hard. :-) It's OK about the error, it's natural for something like that to happen on a site that depends so heavily on brackets, etc. to be in the proper format. Even our most experienced contributors have messed up pages like that before, and it's not very hard to fix anyway (I just glanced through the page in edit view and looked for 'Editor' fields without brackets on the end, it took oh half a minute). Cheers, KGill talk email 21:43, 14 October 2011 (UTC)


After making a rather complicated page in Reger opus 135a and trying to submit it, I got the message that I should have been logged in. So I think the time of logging in had passed and my account has been automatically closed. Is it possible to regain the work I did? And how long can one be logged in?

Do you mean that you tried to create a new page for op.135a? Or that it logged you out before you could finish uploading the files? If the latter case, I would recommend inputting less information when on the file upload form and then doing some post-editing to add the more detailed stuff. That would also enable you to break the task up if necessary. Cheers, KGill talk email 20:59, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Goldberg Variations - arrangement by Jan Kok

Hello Arnold,

I note that each variation has been split into separate parts. This is really not so good from the standpoint of having an intelligible page. The parts all appear to be single pages also. I really think that all the parts should be combined (Descant Recorder 1, Descant Recorder 2, Tenor Recorder, Bass Recorder) instead of having separate files for each variation, which are not usually done as stand-alone items. I have the page organized for now. As you can see it is quite cumbersome. I gather that the separate parts are for the items which call for 4 recorders, while those calling for 3 play from pages of the score. If so, the best procedure would be to insert the pertinent score pages into the separate files created for each part. Also, please note that it is simpler to use Treble recorder 1, Bass recorder instead of the florid term "part for treble recorder 1". We try to avoid file descriptions breaking into 2 lines, if possible. Thanks, Carolus 00:11, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

Hello Carolus,
The only criterium for offering split parts was the number of pages of each variation. Only where it surpassed 3 (the maximum for the average amateur music standard) our editor Jan Kok made separate parts. Besides, not every variation has to be played with the same combination of 3 or 4 recorders, otherwise Jan could have made one descant part for the complete work, one for treble and one for bass. So I think it is not so good an idea to separate the complete score from the separate parts, though it is not a so large page that people will be unaware of the separate parts. Variation 5 part 2 is for descant alternating with tenor, due to the compass of the melodies. Jan had to divide the three voices in a creative way, so that only one player has to change his instruments during performance, (and most variations could be played by three players, some of them changing instruments if necessary). As it stands now, there seems to be a choice possibility: so please correct it to Descant 2, alternating with Tenor. I have no problem with your remark om naming separate parts.
Arnold den Teuling, Assen, Netherlands

Under the page organization rules we employ, complete items (like an arrangement of the complete Goldberg Variations) goes above selections. Thus Jan Kok's arrangement of the complete work will go above all arrangements of selections from the larger whole. That is why I was recommending combining the existing parts with pages of the score for the variations which lacked separate parts. If that were done, the parts for Kok's arrangement would appear beneath the score. We might be able to do that anyway if we include a notice about using pages from the score for those movements which lack separate parts, since one could theoretically perform his arrangement of the entire work this way. Carolus 03:33, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Handel: Concerto Grosso, HWV 312 and any other similar

Dear Arnold, It is really not such a good idea to have scores and parts of an arrangement of a work like this divided up into separate movements as has been done with HWV 312. If the complete concerto was arranged, the split scores and parts files should ideally be combined. Please take a look at the "Arrangements and Transcriptions" section of the page to see how it has to be done under the layout rules we use. If there is some reason (see below) that it is essential that the work be split up in this way, you will need to upload each movement separately. This appears to be an increasing problem with WIMA items and I am going to need to address this issue on the forum so we can come up with a workable solution. Could you explain this 3-page limit you mentioned above in our discussion of the Goldberg Variations? Also, I am struck be the fact that nobody appears to be paying any attention to the site notice about the server upgrades so we have 455 items uploaded today, which is starting to overwhelm the copyright tagging capacity. Thanks, Carolus 02:57, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Dear Carolus, As a beginner I was not aware of the fact that it is not desirable to upload when there are server upgrades going on. I will pay attention to that next time.

The only reason to split up the three movements of the Handel concerto was that there should be used different recorders in the second movement. The solution which is displayed on the site now is good enough for me. But there is no problem in combining existing pdf's to what ever combination is desired. So I can combine the three full scores to one, and also all 12 parts in one file, or four parts in 4 files. Please tell me which one is preferred. Is there a special note on arrangements and transcriptions in general?

Until now Jan Kok only made separate parts when that was necessary for performance; our quartet plays Variations 1-4 from the complete score, nr 5 from separate parts and nr 6 and 7 from the complete score etc., because more than 3 pages do not fit on our music stands, so the different treatment is purely practical. The parts of the Variatiations with separate parts are identical with the Variations which are in the complete score only. But Jan Kok told to me that he was prepared to make separate parts for all the variations. Shall I ask him to combine them to as few files as possible? Greetings, Arnold den Teuling

Hi Arnold, After some discussion of this issue on the forums, we have decided to allow things to be uploaded from WIMA as they stand. Therefore, it is OK to go ahead and upload in separate movements like this for now. In the future, it might be a good idea to combine some items like this, though I think you've provided a sufficient reason these could be allowed to stay as they are now. Thanks and Best Wishes, Carolus 04:17, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Aufer a me, Gregorian Chant

Dear Mr. den Teuling: When you do typesets of Gregorian Chant, are the transposed parts meant to be for recorder? I needed to make a differentiation between original and arrangement, so the recorder version is now under an arrangements tag. Since the original wouldn't have been instrumental, I want to know whether the transposed part goes with the original or the recorder. Steltz 19:11, 4 November 2011 (UTC) Dear mr. Steltz, The "problem" with Gregorian chant is, that there is no fixed pitch and that in this way every transposition will represent the original. When I prepare a piece for my chant choir, nearly every piece will be sung in some transposition, depending on the average age of the choir (and even the moment of the day). But indeed, some transpositions are fit to the treble recorder, (and less fit for singing), and next time I will tell (in a note or so) which ones are and which are less. And so your solution seems to be practical. Indeed I intend to upload some cd-tracks with my own recorder performances. Arnold den Teuling

Gregorian chant: Performance or non-commercial recording?

Did I use the correct category? And I did not know how to make the performer name indexable {{LinkPer| etc.? I have only transferred the MP3-files from WIMA and not the MP4, but if it is desirable to add the MP4's, I will do it more correctly after your answer. The rest of my sound files are computer generated only, so I made less hurry to transfer them. Arnold den Teuling

Bach BWV 555 and 558: Placement and indexing

I remarked some lack of consequence in the placement etc of both pieces. It concerns the two arrangements for 4 recorders by Albert H. Kuipers, which I uploaded last month. You placed an arrangement for 4 recorders of the unauthentic BWV 555 by Kompy on the page Kleine Preludien und Fughetten, and the work is also accessible via the instrumentation index. On my suggestion (inspired by Albert Kuipers) you added a separate reference page from J.L Krebs to J.S. Bach under the title Prelude and Fugue in e minor, however it lacks for instance in the index of instrumentation. I suggest you replace this page to Kleine Preludien and Fughetten like Kompy's, and we would be very grateful if you will refer on the same page to BWV 558, now on J.L. Krebs only. By the way the autorship of J.L. Krebs is by no means certain, another candidate is J.T. Krebs. One more reason to make these rather popular pieces accessible via J.S. Bach too. Arnold den Teuling

midi files Isaac. Innsbruck ich muss dich lassen

I made a mistake by not determining the performer or performing category. Of course it should be synthesized MIDI (I tried simply midi but this was not accepted). Sorry.