Nice job with these uploads...filling in some gaps...-- Snailey (_@/) Talk to Me Email me 02:46, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
Hi Cypressdome, and thanks for all the uploads! What I've concluded from the engraving style, plate numbers, and the site hofmeister.rhul.ac.uk is that these are not in fact from 1876, but mostly date from the early 1850s. (You can see a full, searchable listing for Raff here.) Apparently, Schuberth reissued this series over a few decades starting in about 1848. Cheers, KGill talk email 01:24, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
Nice work on the Etherbert Nevin works list. I can scratch that one off my list now; woohoo!
Good job with your list of compositions for George Frederick Bristow. The effort is much appreciated, BKhon 03:46, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
....are quite popular it would appear. The Kullak edition of the Chopin Op.28 is number one in the download count, approaching 2000 since the counter went up on 1 October. Carolus 05:27, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
Hi again,
The Kullak edition you've kindly uploaded appears to have been a licensed reprint by Schirmer of the one issued by Schlesinger from 1880-1885, with Kullak's text translated into English by Parsons. That's why they had the S. #### plate numbers, which was not a pattern used by Schirmer, which was also not up to the 7000s back in the early 1880s. I've been having to dig into some of the various Chopin editions because of all the items worov has been uploading lately. Schirmer almost never printed something without a date as they were well aware of the fatal effect that had under US law, so I put the date of your recent Czerny upload in parens instead of using the "n.d." schema (which indicates that the item was printed with no date originally). Thanks for all the fantastic work you're doing! Carolus 03:01, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
Hi, It appears that the little suffix which appears after the plate number refers to the number of music plates in the particular work. Normally, we disregard those since we already have a page count. It's probably OK to leave the Church listing as it is, since it's not too extensive and there doesn't seem to be anything that would be necessarily confusing about having them there. Perhaps a note to explain the suffixes should be added. As always, nice additions! BTW, Carl Fischer frequently does the same thing. Ditson, on the other hand, uses a system of dashes to separate blocks of numbers in the Musicians Library series which have nothing to do with number of pages. Carolus 06:08, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
Hi Cypressdome! Just to let you know that S.G. Pratt has been moved to the full form of his name in accordance with our composer naming guidelines. Cheers, KGill talk email 01:57, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
Hi Cypressdome,
Since you seem to be the Gilchrist person here, I was wondering if you were planning on including the Schliefer catalog number on all pieces? If so, it might be a good idea to follow the conventions we've been using with other composer catalogs and employ an abbreviation instead of the full cataloger's name. I'm not sure what exactly is the preferred form for using the Schliefer listings, but perhaps it's something like "Sch." "SL" or simply "S." (though the last one is probably used elsewhere). You might want to check with p.davydov, KGill, or Massenetique about this as all three are extremely knowledgeable about library-issues of this nature (and much else). BTW, we actually have a few cypress domes up here near where I live (close to St. Louis), which is about as far north as they go in the USA. I even have a few Bald Cypresses in my yard - they had really nice sepia color this past fall. Regards, Carolus 04:02, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
Looks like Schliefer is it, at least for the time being! Carolus 05:26, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
Hi,
First issued in 1901. Many subsequent reissues/editions in the years following (1902, 1904, 1908, 1909, 1912, 1918, 1921, etc.). There appear to have been slight changes from issue to issue as the page counts vary a bit in the WorldCat records - though this could be a result of simple errors in library listings. I'm guessing that the 1921 issue was the 5th edition, but don't know for sure. Apparently very popular and a big hit for Birchard, which was only founded in 1901. Carolus 04:44, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
Impressive work! I am really amazed you were able to make those files look so good in monochrome. Carolus 04:21, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
I assume you know about using the little "HTTP" link found on those archive.org pages - you can download zips of JPEG (and other) files which do not have the infernal Microsoft logos on every page. Carolus 04:50, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
I've done similar searches. They've got all 20 volumes of the Farrenc series Tresor des pianistes which I will download the color PDFs for (no logos on those). There are quite a few scores on archive.org. Your processing (as with Lamia) makes it very easy for anyone with a laser printer. Some of the color scans and grayscale JPG2000s can cause printers to crash, despite lookiing great at screen resolution. Carolus 05:28, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
I'll have a look soon, many thanks! Eric 12:39, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
Trying out Hathihelper30 in an effort to download a large file (Spohr symphony 9, many pages) but running immediately into a "ImportError: No module named request" error from Python 2.6 ... Eric 05:18, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
Thanks- I'll try to upgrade. They have Spohr syms 7 and 9 (among quite a few other works it would be so very nice to host. I'd have gone my usual merry way just cropping the images since I'm stubborn ;) and that was working even with the near-thing Tovey clarinet sonata, but the 2nd page of score of the Spohr 9th symphony presents more than a near thing, one loses the whole bass line unless one uses something like Hathihelper. Turns out that even Hathitrust recommends Hathihelper, which is - interesting. So... will try to upgrade Python, whether through FINK or more painfully directly :), v.soon. Thanks again Eric 12:23, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
Python3 produces an interesting error here - "NameError: name 'WindowsError' is not defined" :) Eric 13:12, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
I don't think I was given a choice of directory in which to install it. Also... I'm on a Mac and install it using FINK. I can try to install it more directly/manually, though with somewhat less chance of success :) Python3 -V says I have version 3.1.3 now, b.t.w. Eric 15:54, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
Hi Cypressdome. You are currently in consideration to become an IMSLP administrator. Being asked to join the moderation team is a sign that you are considered to have the responsibility, good judgement, and dedication to gain and use a set of extra privileges (page and file deletion, blocking other users, and so forth). Would you consent to being promoted? Thanks, KGill talk email 20:06, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for a fantastic job in acquiring this series. Carolus 04:46, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
I've always wondered why 2 is so rarely encountered. The other three are pretty easy to find as a general rule. Carolus 05:11, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
Nice find! Lndlewis10 21:45, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for the uploads for Grove! I would really like to see more of that nature on IMSLP. I think I'm going to start targeting musicological works / references for my uploads ;) Cheers, Lndlewis10 02:03, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
I've been approaching the project in a rather less systematic way (and really, really should have been noting that I also usually crop- and often deskew- their pages, using in my case one or both of the Mac programs Preview or iPhoto (the latter for attitude adjusting which I don't know how to do with Preview)) as well as changing size and filetype, etc. ...) It's posed some interesting problems so far - as when the "Raff" scores at LoC turned out to be by both Joachim Raff and one of his brothers, also named Joseph (but not Joseph Joachim. While his brother J. Kaspar Raff is not I think especially inspired, in the interests of preservation it might be good to have a category for him and duplicate the materials of his at LoC here, sooner or later- might work on that soon, even,since we have, I think, exact dates which is not always the case). (This was worked out by consultation with the head of the site raff.org and some fans at the Unsungcomposers.com forum.) Fortunately too, the librarians at the LoC, like those I've contacted at Sibley Library, have been accessible and have done their best to answer my conundrums and solve scanning and identification issues - etc. ... (My admiration for librarians as profession increases from an initially extremely high baseline...) Anyhow, taking too long to say that I hope I have not been running over your feet with my attempts to do things in that area of the project and whatnot, etc., as would rather not do so of course! erm. Sorry about babbling, and thank you again for your help. If Hathihelper is proving somewhat in? under-tractable for me --- I've gotten used to that with UNIX-related things by now- and some of them, with help, work out eventually. Patience and effort are I guess the bywords :) Eric 16:26, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
I don't think I did, no... nor do I see an entry in authorities.loc.gov for him yet (I guess no real reason why at the moment, I should go find that area of their site though and see if they've cleared -that- up though). As to setting up a category for Kaspar, the arguments weren't mine, so I may want to check with those who thought them up first just to be clear in my own mind there... :) :) (it's a neat forum I guess, as we seem most recently to have worked out a tentative worklist for Robert Hermann (1869-1912) without much effort ;) at least up to opus 13, anyway.) Eric 20:49, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
sounds like an excellent notion to me. Eric 03:46, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
sure- actually, the work is already on the imslp.us server in some form, I just have to create the page and link to it - though I don't know where that copy was scanned from, a field I always prefer to be able to fill in :). I'll upload the one you've given me the link to when I get back from work in a bit - thanks! Oh- and yes, I can at least try to load them, I'm learning as I go along myself... Eric 17:50, 17 March 2011 (UTC) (by the way as to question 1, the one already on the server is also UE 6017 - 2pf arrangement that is - though divided into 3 movements. :) actually, the orchestral version was composed after 1922 apparently, so - only the 2pf version is PD-US anyway, re the Marx pf conc. according to Hyperion Records...) one last thing about that - according to the author of the MPH preface, the full score was published in 1921.-Eric
ah, very good resource to have. Thank you. Combined with Hofmeister, Worldcat and a few other things we have I think filled out and double-confirmed opp.1-13 (and an op.2a "Variations pour rire" for vn and pf (the Petites variations pour rire that Pazdirek also mentions; U Basel gives it opus 2a) or something at U. Basel) for good measure. One or two anomalies and no guarantee there isn't an opus 14 hanging out that I don't know how to find, but... Eric 01:06, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
did you find a copy of the finale that wasn't missing page 51 (reduction page number, not PDF page number)? Ah good. The copy I downloaded had that page almost blank, didn't want to upload that finale really (or, say, an overture at Google that has 6 pages completely missing though otherwise is in better shape... leave alone the Fétis symphonies there which have many pages quite unreadable :( but I digress. ) Eric 04:23, 22 March 2011 (UTC) - hrm, wonder why page 51 is present in their image zip but absent in their pdf... should have checked there, I guess, except I could never seem to get the files in their compressed image packages to open- well, the time or two I tried. hrm. thanks!
Hrm. On the one hand, of course they do usually appear as alternatives on this site... hrm... but that's because a denser file may be more accurate and more readable, I believe, anyway- neither of which are true in this case- if anything, the PDFs I uploaded give Preview.app a heart attack because of individual file size. I say go ahead. Re Raff 3, if you can process just one of the five movements, it's worth PDFing and uploading just that one so that there's a page, I also say?- I don't know the work as well as it merits (I have heard most of the other Raff symphonies much more often, and quite a few other works- oddly this most famous one is not in my collection yet...) (Liszt praises it in a letter to his then-or-ex-mistress(?) Agnes Klindworth, quoted in a book I did upload under Lipsius (Liszt und die Frauen), and the work deserves Liszt-praise, I do know)... in my honest opinion (and I may give that a go now too that I know a little more about how to use my image programs to edit besides just cropping :) :) ). Anyhow! Sorry. And thanks much! Eric 22:14, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
wasn’t aware of it. hope the author’s estate released it into the public domain but not going to raise a huge fuss personally myself of course. very useful information there... Eric 05:12, 28 March 2011 (UTC) helps suggest some PD-US works I hadn't thought of looking for (@hathitrust, Sibley, etc.- not a bad use for such a resource). :)
Have now created Category:Raff, Joseph Kaspar - thanks for your help with the biography and obituary some while back! Eric 15:57, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
Ah, thanks for the list- was aware of maybe three J.Kaspar Raff works on their site with op. numbers. (Wonder who else has his works scanned in? Some other libraries do have them, often attributed to his brother of course, not the only time this sort of thing happens but then...) raff.org has a quite good online catalog and a downloadable more complete one that may help with that. For instance "twilight" "op.209" is (actually) by Joachim Raff, excerpts from his Der Tageszeiten of the same opus number (printed on the score, helpfully...)- I believe - and should check as I think I have a recording!!!- lazy me. - that they are all or part of the choral parts to the 2nd and 4th movements of the work, in English translations, so I cleaned them up and uploaded them so. Wiki being wiki I hope someone will correct me if not- again, was being a bit lazy. Thank you re the 3rd symphony, again even though I don't know that work anywhere near as I do believe it deserves, I am very glad to see the gap filled. Eric 21:28, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
Your quality is getting to be amazingly good on these. Most impressive. Carolus 03:46, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
increasingly we've been uploading some of the more often-used ones from google and archive to pages onsite - this seems a good idea, and a good idea to replace the links from Google to internal links as well, for the more often-used ref. ones over time and gradually (there are a lot of them after all) (Baker's is the most often used, along with early Grove, I think...) Daunting prospect though and I will start on it- erm- er- well... not this moment :) but I will... thanks! Eric 05:23, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
good points raised. sleepy. but as far as I know yes indeed, for reasons I have only partially figured out, Google books has a copyright policy that is too restrictive by half - I think - in the US - and unpredictable in its exceptions besides!!! - and which is ... ridiculous beyond US shores. or so I gather. Eric 05:03, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
There's a big Forberg catalog in PDFs at Landesbibliothek Coburg- I don't know if, taken together, it would exceed in content the PDF we already have, or be worth the trouble- if so, I think I'll try putting it together as one or several larger PDFs and contact you in a few days if I do so about how to upload it to be associated with the Music Publishers page etc. :)... Eric 21:18, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
could have found 10 better ways to do that. anyhow. thanks very much for everything and cheers! Eric 02:26, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
I believe brackets means estimated, parentheses means not-there-but-calculated-on-reasonable (if not always 100%) evidence (e.g. HMB, dépot légal, ...) While a reason I knew of to omit n.d. in this case was if a piece was one of a larger group the title page of which, say, might have the copyright in question (whether or not it was a question of the scan omitting it was another matter), that makes sense too - I apologize for my tone and my venue, that does explain it... I think- if it needs further sorting out in future when I label things myself, it'll be sorted out :) Thanks! Eric 03:01, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
about getting pub. information from Worldcat (or more specifically, from the member libraries, since the Worldcat people have no access to the scores and just reflect the member libraries' catalog records) I have had for some time some belief - more and more of it - that certain libraries and their catalogs are excessively liberal about putting "©" in their catalog record copies (I mean to say, putting it there when they do not in fact see a copyright on the page in front of them or have other proof- like a listing in the Library of Congress copyright "magazine" scanned at Google books , or dépot légal, ... - that the work was copyrighted that year and that the copy they have is the same edition, plate, etc. as that copyrighted. My reason is mostly in the form of 'too many plates -way- out of order in plate tables' that are accounted for by Worldcat evidence and often have round-number copyright dates (though not always, e.g. the one I'm "looking" at now, Poldini studies on a Schubert impromptu which I'm guessing was probably not copyrighted in '97)...
then again, had a conversation about this with some librarians at LoC and Free Library of Ph. and they did point out that copyright date, plate-implied date and release date (the last being what Hofmeister tracks, of course) will not all three always even be close together, works sometimes being withheld for one reason or another - have to think about that one... anyway, your opinion welcome as ever, and any caution applies to myself at least as much as to anyone else. Cheers and best! Eric 01:56, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
interesting fellow, our Mr. Klaren/Klaric... anyhow, will get on it :) Eric 04:28, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
Though as I've half-noticed before, LinkLib doesn't even seem to notice when the librettist is a non-pd-ca character. it's an odd thing, like an automatic nonautotag tag. oh well. Eric 04:36, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for fixing that. It must have been very late when I uploaded it to the wrong page! Sheeesh! Carolus 05:07, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
work by Strube (big piece) digitized online - shall you or shall I ? hereathereat :) Eric 03:23, 22 April 2011 (UTC) thank you. I do have a brief list (I tend to compile such things ;) ) of things on my main (user) page from HathiTrust that look worth doing- should I just transfer them here for your perusal and consideration/prioritizing/rejection-as-appropriate?... I am rather good at processing some things but perhaps less so with theirs :)... and some of the things on my list are big :) (vocal scores of big operas, like Smyth's the Wreckers...) -Eric
ok, here's my list so far :) (shorn of the PD-US-only items, I think.) - sorry to dump it on you, understanding obviously that it's a sort-at-leisure-and-will, a list of suggestions...
I'll probably keep adding to my original and proc. some myself of course... -Eric
- hrm. this is what happened with the Dohnanyi quartet 1, too- Hathitrust looked at the problem after I sent in a 'ticket', first told me it was probably unfixable, then figured out how to fix it. so may be worth one of us reporting it to them? :)-Eric
you’ll hear no complaint from me on that sco... erm.. .unintentional pun. Thanks! - Eric
have been checking out "SBB" in Germany which contains some very interesting scans meanwhile - and thank you indeed for taking those up!! Eric 02:57, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
also, SBB's MB/page ratio, while not nearly as high as their PDF download creator claims, is still quite massively high (though one can still do things like download only each individual part of a string quartet at a time, for instance, to keep that under control...) - wish they'd forego the color high-background files and go the Sibley route, despite the admitted advantages of the former. (e.g. for uploading the Schuster mass in G and the as yet not entirely uploaded Reichel piano trio, I used a feature on the left side which allows you to download a section of the work rather than all 100-odd or 500-odd pages at a time - in the case of the mass, the Kyrie, the Gloria, etc., -then- select the PDF tool and download and process... making sure one has the link to the whole thing handy so that one can return and download the next bit. or just back-arrow, but I prefer not to do that sometimes, unintended consequences on some sites. I suspect and will check that with the several operas they have that for most of them they at least allow one to download an act- or even maybe each scene - at a time...)- later-on-and-maybe-unnecessary-edit. still amounts to 500 pages in the end though of course I keep remembering that the pages for some of the Dvorak symphonies was just a couple of the wind parts or something like that for months on end- don't have to upload the whole opera at once of course, either :D. I really should get around to processing the finale of Lachner's 6th suite, there's another Google thing I downloaded but haven't done yet (dauntingly large but I think manageable, just have to get around to it. will try to after I attempt to typeset at least a complete movement or two of this quartet - assuming it has more than one movement.) Eric 16:30, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
They do have some really good and rare works by well and little-known composers- and i was wondering if I'd finally see something by Raff's pupil Urspruch digitized, they have something of his too :) have had to do some hopefully not too quality-destroying procedures to reduce the size of SBB files much more manageably... that said, if they'll let you download operas - of which they have a few interesting looking ones, including one by Ferdinand Ries?... - act by act (by positioning the 'current' inside the act then clicking the pdf button) it may be worth doing I think anyway... a similar problem with eg their Czerny 2nd quartet for 4 pianos op816(?) which also seems to have a huge download size, though with some cleverness that might be made more manageable. Eric 03:31, 24 April 2011 (UTC) (all the more a pity since they have -lots- of Czerny we don't have yet, similarly with some other composers we may want to fill some gaps in ;) - anyway, I downloaded his opp 260 and 523 from their site and will process the pdfs soon for size reduction. right now I should probably upload a little more of Schneider's flute concerto 4/oboe concerto and sleep- or the other way around... thanks again!
Two (three?) more suggestions if I may :) :
There's also by Cools the rather briefer (7pp score, 3pp part)
--and one other thing (stop, Eric.) I thought I'd finished this so I didn't mention it, but I only managed to 'de-iconize' the first two movements of the serenade op36 by Vítězslav Novák when I uploaded them to Serenade in D major. Congrats on the Mendelssohn, it's great to have even one of those works here! (and I hear we may have some of the string symphonies uploaded at some point too...) Eric 01:15, 1 May 2011 (UTC) - Done!
Happens to me truly all the time- and I know I'm going to have to ask for a lot of advice on at least one and probably a few of my projects soon precisely because I'm in a sense too close to them. :) (Some mundane, interpretative things at least mostly!) Eric 04:06, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
another suggestion :) (sorry!) - JK Paine's The Tempest, Op.31 (I think- doesn't have opus number, does on our side of things? pub.1907.) Eric 02:25, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
Happy to of course and thanks! I thought they had an RSS electronically-available-only feed but it turned out not to be as advertised :) (I keep looking for such things, to find newly uploaded scans- and not so newly... ever since I discovered the ability to do so; another, well, toy that I enjoy very much, I admit. Several sites have them. Keep reminding myself to see if I can find something even vaguely like it anywhere on LoC- would fascinate me. Still, U Mich does have a new acquisitions RSS, which is still a good thing in itself. As to one of their other main sources, the U Cal. system, not sure i saw anything of the kind there. Or on the hathitrust site, though I may have just forgotten... hrm. Because that while not a sort by date added sort of relates.) (LoC keeps surprising and turning up things I was sure weren't there before - making me wonder if maybe they still are scanning at the American Memory Project, a question I do want to email and ask them- I should do that. E.g. the Schumann op.118 first edition, a Joseffy edition of a piece by Friedrich Gernsheim (well, I knew some Gernsheim was performed in the US in the 19th century (The Boston symphony orchestra: an historical sketch lists 3 works performed of Gernsheim performed by the Boston Symphony between 1897 and 1911. The same book gives Paine's The Tempest as being given by the Boston Sym. on March 9 1883, not sure what the 3 means - maybe twice after that?) (here.) If you upload that work and can't find earlier performances that might go under First Performance, perhaps with a question mark... :) Cheers and thanks again! Eric 15:07, 15 June 2011 (UTC) (oh, the list of composers and works in that appendix may prove interesting?)
may have a few over at the local uni library- they have the 1954 study score of the Barber op15 though not the earlier edition... d (well, that helps fill in spots in a plate table too, for its purposes) also probably a good number of the others. - just have to write down what I want to find for the various plate tables for next I'm there. or a partial list- i'm there rarely enough as is, for all the long list of searches and listens and ... ... I like to and try to remember to do when I am there (dork? me? yes) Eric 03:44, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
they also have some scores that are only PD-US for lack of copyright, I think (Max Butting's quartet no.4, an interesting-seeming work composed and published sometime around 1927 I think- I'm somewhat interested in Butting but not much of his pre-1923 output is available, I have looked at a symphony - he wrote about 10 or so- and quartet by interlibrary loan awhile back- around 2000?- though.) though by HathiTrust internal rules such scores aren't allowed, ironically :(- rather overrestrictive understanding of copyright law. the Napravnik score is a copyrightless score whose parts first appeared 40 years before, unless the datestamp the library added count.. hrm and hrm again... well, had some qualms about uploading that but did so. am working slowly on typesetting a huge manuscript Italian quartet from 1856-79 now :) may take awhile, about 60 pages in all, hopefully several mvts so can subdivide... Eric 03:21, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
Excellent research! You just proved PD status in Canada. Carolus 00:32, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
The C tag for Canada is due to the fact that Köhler died only in 1997. There is no specific mention of urtext editions in Canada's law (in contrast to the EU). The legal opinions we sought took the view that such editions are not protectable at all under Canada's law as they lack sufficient original content to qualify as an 'adaptation.' There hasn't been any court case directly addressing the issue either, hence the C. The star next to the tag indicates that this qualifies as an urtext edition under the laws where such editions are mentioned (EU), or that it lacks sufficient original material (Canada and US), or fails to qualify for GATT restoration as such (US). Carolus 00:48, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
Considering how often we editors use Hofmeisters Monatsberichte to establish date of likely first or near-first publication, considering too that one of its predecessors for the late 1820s is on Google Books for some of its volumes (Whistlings Handbuch der musikalischen Literatur vol1, 1828; vol2 1829 is here though by then we also have HMB too...), this might be a good candidate for upload too? (as are some of HMB's post-1900 issues, which is good for those who don't want to plough through the scans at onb.ac.at - uploading the ones at google.books to here would be good. or even if we could, uploading the ones up to 1922 from onb to here by way of making sure there's an extra copy... I assume that's legitimate, and it seems a good idea to not keep-eggs-in-1-basket-erm-anyway. Eric 16:52, 4 May 2011 (UTC) Maybe some issues of AMZ (Allegemeine Musikalische Zeitung, Breitkopf's in house publication I think... and so a rather good reference for the first publication date of early B&H plates...) and/or similar magazines which had a major presence at the turn of and throughout the 19th century and are also well-represented at Google books and contains things like reviews, lists of publications of earlier decades- though there may be some issues here with Google having obtained proprietary rights we don't know about in some cases somehow maybe, I don't know.. doubt it though... Eric 16:52, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
Ok, I have to think about that one. Tempting, really. Eric 13:36, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
this being a project, anything I can do? right now I'm just working on LoC things like piano pieces by Bial for the moment... (then going back to typesetting) otherwise I mean... Eric 18:34, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
hrm. under Hofmeister with an explanation of their mutual contributions perhaps... will think more about it though and look for the other material, since I agree readily that some things can be awfully hard to find without a remarkably thin set of search-tweezers- or some such expression since that seems not quite apt. Eric 02:56, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
Had a busy though pleasant weekend and have been winding down from it (excuses excuses)- thank you for all that regarding the Whistling etc though, a great service! Will see soon if I can locate any missing pieces you mentioned... Eric 04:19, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
I don't really know the work (may not have heard it at all yet though I've seen the score at the non-virtual library ;) - only a few recordings, some from quite awhiles back like the one on VAI?, some very new, i think), but first read about it (and many other composers and pieces) in William Newman's long out of print (but much borrowed from libraries and much rererereread by me, awhile back) book on the Sonata since Beethoven - anyhow, roundabout said, even though I haven't heard it- still, great idea I say :) (hey, if it's anything like the violin concerto, or...) Eric 12:45, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
thanks- have downloaded them, will process them soon!! much appreciated- Eric 04:40, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
I found a work apparently by Gilchrist (published as by W.W. Gilchrist in 1897 by Presser), "Southern Lullaby", downloadable online. Before I post it, do you by any chance have its Schleifer # ? Thanks :) Eric 02:06, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
Sympathies and thanks, will upload very soon! Eric 14:15, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
Hi, I was wondering if we should add the Friedheim volumes to this page. The Schirmer version of Mikuli's edition is listed on a single page along with the original Kistner issue. Since both Joseffy and Friedheim were issued by Schirmer and not by anyone else. I thought it might be more advantageous to have them both listed on a single edition page instead of creating a separate one for Friedheiim. I think the two series were both titled as "Complete Works for the Piano" and were issued at about the same time (just to make it all the more confusing for us). Carolus 02:13, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
thanks, I gave up on converting that one :) Eric 16:27, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
I wasn't worried, more - erm - what is the expression? ... boggled?... (in the most positive and appreciative of senses.) with or without a certain amount of help from processing software, that's been fast... Eric 03:25, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
ah. those three seem to have had an interesting history between their connections? with flutes and guitars as well as sheet music. thanks for setting up the pub page(s) - will also do some linking soon... :) (lots and lots and lots of pages to link, I think- really should have done that myself, one of those good-reason-to-create-one-of-these sorts of things. cheers! ) Eric 04:02, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
Indeed- I've uploaded one or two (maybe even scanned one in myself, i forget), so I know that having a centralized resource when there are so many is a good thing. good idea for some of us to sometime find some of the publishers we keep uploading many scores published by but thinking maybe we'll do something about... later! (the Sydney Smith archive and some others have definitely increased our proportion of scores by a few London publishers and also our ability to estimate well the date-plate correspondences there using, I think, information from British music periodicals where advertisements for the scores appeared soon after publication. Ashton & Parry I think is one. not a big publisher, but one we now have more representation of. One that turns up in HMB a -lot- - not sure how many we have of theirs yet, though a few at least - is Rozsavölgyi. & c. Also Challier, Carisch & Jänischen... :) Cheers ! having fun with scores by Anthony Heinrich, one of the much more idiosyncratic of the composers represented at LoC. Had heard a work of his on the radio - a programmatic piece, not a kind that usually interests me i think - but there's a lot of other sorts of things and a website that's creating a sort of Heinrich Edition with newly-edited works, orchestral works, etc. ... interesting... Eric 05:13, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
Charles H. Grube may well have been a different composer- those items in fact could probably be removed from the list. He may have been either Carl Heinrich Grube, a German organist (who perhaps spent some time in the US?) or someone else? His name is on Vassar's rolls as an instructor for the late 1880s/early 1890s, apparently (if it's the same person) and does show up on (well, not a lot, but more than I first thought, counting ones that LoC ascribed to Grobe) of scores- they might all be by Grobe after all, maybe wanting to diversify his publishers some (though one of them seems to have been published for the first time I think in 1880- after Grobe died?) and- well, it's a discussable case. Might end up merging Charles H. Grube into Charles Grobe if I'm mistaken, of course. Eric 00:41, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
Hrm. Actually, the (dozen at most?) Charles Grube works I've found so far except for the one 1880 exception (could be a reprint? need to check) are all 1856 or before... but some are during 1856 (like Natalie, etc.) - hrm. the Vassar associate might be Carl Heinrich Grube (even though Musicsack has him in Germany for part of that time, I am going to guess that those dates are approximate, though sometimes they aren't and at least sometimes when Musicsack's maintainer says active x-y place, he's checked those beginning and end dates :) ) Eric 02:04, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
There's also a Fritz Grube whose compositions are mentioned in a 1916 HMB, and this link about the etymology of the surname Grob/Grobe which proves nothing whatsoever but which answered a question this made me curious about :) Eric 16:30, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
Since you and Schissel have been doing an absolutely amazing job of linking hundreds of titles providing us with dates of publication, I was wondering if you would find it advantageous to have a template available for this purpose - sort of like the ones we presently use for links to SLUB/Dresden? A template also has the advantage of being a 'plainlink' in style, without the funny little arrow at the end. I think the ONB's link-naming convention appears to be pretty consistent, so it should be possible to create a functional template without too much agony. Reply over at my page, if you please. Carolus 05:34, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
The Brahms-Institut page indicates the score actually was first issued in December 1871, even though Hofmeister didn't list it until early the next year. Just wanted you to know since you've been so thorough about linking to Hofmeister. About the only thing that trumps them for a German issue of this era is a formal works catalogue like the McCorkle (which is where Brahms-Institut got their info). Carolus 03:03, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
I think I've fixed it now. Let me know.... Carolus 04:05, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
erf, I knew I'd forgotten something, and I'd just seen that link right in front of me, too. Won't be able to get back to contributing to it until this evening either... Eric 17:01, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
Ok, got most of that now, I think. Thanks! Eric 05:20, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
I had been under the impression that of Ysaÿe’s concertos all but one were completely lost... hrm. but websearches/OCLC searches reveal not only the one you found (and the one I already knew about which is probably not the same, the Jacques Ysaÿe-reconstit.-8th concerto for violin and strings from 1894 published in violin-piano form in 1975) but also another manuscript at Juillard - a Ysaye concerto in D minor from 1884, first movement only (this one apparently not online, says "by permission"). How very interesting and contrary to what I "knew" or at least had been told :)- and glad to be mistaken. and going through the Juilliard catalog (which I really should have bookmarked...) reveals more of them... no.3 in D major... e.g. ... my!...well. thank you. and that Juilliard is scanning some of their MS- also a very pleasant surprise- the more, the merrier. I'm hoping a Czech library whose catalog I've scanned enviously will do that... :D and also and very especially, the Dutch Royal Library. Eric 05:20, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
{{JuilliardMSS|BEET/BEET_KREU}} gives you: US-NYj. Carolus 05:20, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
a Festival Suite opus 21 on a duo-piano recital on Fleur de Son, mentioned on some website- double and triple checking revealed that that couldn't be right (of course), that the opus 21 was by Warren Storey Smith (1885–1971) - that Fleur de Son's page has it right but that at least one of the two pianist's homepages does not. Sent him a polite (or so I intended it to be - hope it was received so) email pointing out the incongruity :) (maybe the WS Smith has been scanned and can be uploaded to imslp.us ...) Eric 13:08, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
Hi Cypressdome. You may have seen the forum topic about a possible shortage of copyright reviewers this fall (I'm not sure if Carolus is taking his yearly month-long vacation in September, and I will not be able to contribute much starting Sept. 3 and essentially continuing until late December). How serious this will actually be is very much up in the air, but in any case, it would be prudent to increase the number of members on the active team. Would you be interested in taking the new test? Thanks, KGill talk email 01:10, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
how does one upload a new catalog (such as the ones for C.F. Kahnt and Ricordi that just appeared as new uploads at Sibley) so that they can be used at the Publishers page? :) Eric 20:55, 15 July 2011 (UTC) (sorry btw- asking because I remembered that you had done so, I think...) thanks for the response- it was converting something to a 'media:...' form that i think i'll have to learn but I think it will not be difficult perhaps not at all... - Eric
that was fast and thanks!!! Eric 04:01, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
I'll see if I can install it either with os 10.6 or - well, I hope to install 10.7 when it comes out this month or this summer at least (it's cheaper that way I gather) - anyhow, hopefully this program will be easier to install for me than the last. and besides HMB and similar (I can think of several somewhat similar resources at Hathi and LoC - those big collections of AMZ issues which have so much useful information for instance?...) - or other things at LoC alone (if this only works for LoC, there's still several tons there!...) - that indeed erm...sorry. briefly, will try soon, yes. (and slightly off the subject, I still really love these resources (e.g. the various scanning libraries doing much to preserve their countries' artistic heritages- which can sound it's true rather like boilerplate but begins to feel meaningful in practice...), apologies for the effusiveness. both for the music, the history the scans touch on- many reasons. Anyway. Thanks again for all the rapid work, will see if I can contribute. (plus one other thing- Chadwick's Sinfonietta was performed- mentioned this, you may have seen, on unsungc - by the same orchestra I believe that did the Raff first cello concerto recently. good signs, that sort of thing... they uploaded the youtube video of that, too. ) Eric 03:44, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
somewhat delayed by decrepit state of my computer keyboard but have installed it and am playing about with it a bit- need to go back and check the hints you provided on my talk page; i like it so far though, indeed think this an excellent idea that may be just what the doctor ordered, not sure yet, have only tried it a couple of times and need to get the hang of it. but for example considering how bad i am at deskewing manually - there are partially physical reasons for that, i do not take it personally - briefly - this is great... Eric 14:55, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
I'll see if I can figure out why preview.app, if that's the cause, is changing them back to greyscale. i was indeed extending the selection regions for some of them to include the lc punchholes until the most recent examples but probably won't be doing so in future - will just be stretching the boxes by a little esp. if i see that the chosen selection boxes seem to be cutting off slurs or somesuch... Eric 04:55, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
not sure how to fix the greyscale part and not precisely sure what is causing that. definitely an improvement over my earlier LoC editing but then maybe i should not quote Terry Pratchett on that point... a quote that loses some out of context anyways. no, seriously, while i need to tweak what i'm doing with it, it's definitely faster and better- would not have tackled a 30-page piece - though too large an output size, must reduce dpi next time or something - with such abandon. loc has quite a few largeish - 30 to 70-plus pages - choral works in their collection, i've noticed, a few of which we've transferred so far... Eric 15:29, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
Thank you so much for organizing this. The effort is very appreciated by the entire review team. Lndlewis10 02:54, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
I didn't find you critical! Saving image-bundles as PDFs in preview is a little more complicated than that in my experience though- I may be overcomplicating it, mind. I find I have to do the following to convert more than a single image to a PDF containing multiple images (converting one image to a PDF is easy): change to thumbnail or a similar "view" in which the images can be selected; select the images to bundled and converted; go into print selected in the menu; choose "print as pdf". this will tell Preview to pretend it is printing to my printer - pardon redundancy, with the same margins etc., but send the result to a pdf of my choice instead. (There is one other way - given a PDF, one can remove some pages, edit the images some and save the resulting PDF. but if one doesn't start with a PDF but only some disconnected images, the only option I know of is the above. I don't know if one can add images to an existing PDF more easily, in which case there might be a third method that I might want to try that might produce smaller documents by accreting images to a one-image PDF... hrm. I don't have, at this time, Adobe Acrobat Full Version, which would make the entire question Moot. ;) I should look to see if I can get something freeware and similar, actually that I might be able to install on my Mac using FINK... or if GIMP, which i think I already have installed, has this feature already!) Eric 13:42, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
Re Imagemagick, I notice that I can install something called GraphicsMagick from material on-computer- that may be similar, I may try that first... thanks! Eric 23:25, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
gm convert etc. seems to work (not up to me to judge the quality of the resulting PDF...) - will upload... Eric 00:44, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
Possibly so. Will also look into this... thanks again! Eric 14:06, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
Hrm. Graphicsmagick does have a -monochrome convert option for converting an image to b&w - this is probably better than what I have been using, actually (iPhoto’s "black and white" option removes colors but changes a file to a black and white file whose profile is still RGB and with a very low resolution to boot...) Eric 13:25, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
thanks, I'll try that. probably need that for some of the larger-sized ones especially, like one of the folders I recently downloaded... and if it works well as I suspect it will, will just use it mostly anyway :) (this is fun...) Eric 03:35, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
So far, great, and replacing some of the earlier uploads made with GraphicsMagick so as to encourage more downloads (as it does decrease the size by a factor of ten and as you say the quality seems about the same, more or less. As often with these command-line programs especially, I notice many options available for me to learn, which is really a good thing in all... Thanks again, yes, this is working much better than Preview :) Eric 13:49, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
Continuing- re Monatsberichte: hopefully not reinventing the ONB/RHUL wheel in that date territory of course (though there are some pages that ONB didn't scan properly, I know) - worth a go. Haven't been able to properly get Scantailor to work with Hathi objects yet (as against LoC objects) even after TIF conversion but may need to tweak how I'm trying to do it. Will holler :) Eric 03:41, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
Still experimenting with Scantailor and trying to work out why some things are this way and some things that that I expected to etc. etc.- likewise Graphicsmagick- though overall I am very happy with both indeed - (especially with the fact that Graphicsmagick, when given swap space to play around in instead of having to compete with 118,253 other applications, is fast as well as good...) Part of the thing :) is, not sure why I can't seem to get Scantailor to do certain things that I do want done in batch-fashion over a range of images, done so. Still, even image by image, works faster than what I used to do... though sometimes produces odd results even so... (I have learned how to use Graphicsmagick to do image conversions, resizings, ... I used to do less efficiently - in time and result - with preview, iPhoto and other programs though. That's good to learn later rather than never, and works well!) Eric 20:10, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
Hi Cypressdome, thanks for your additions! Do you know an earlier Peters edition than 1929? - I'm not sure if the dating is correct (despite the CR claim by Peters, see here). Thanks! --Ralph Theo Misch 23:14, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
Ah - especially the Hofmeister link for Op.418 is interesting. Many thanks! --Ralph Theo Misch 23:34, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
Thanks again for your kind research! My goal is to make those pieces available even in the US. --Ralph Theo Misch 00:11, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
I have a score ( at Chant des pèlerins, Op.19, by William Vincent Wallace) that claims to be a 1844 publication by Firth, Hall & Son but which has the addresses 239 Broadway and No.1 Franklin Sq. both... I thought the former was associated more with William Hall, do you know if Firth used it before the 1848 break? If not, I might have to write later reprint on the score, possibly (though odd for William Hall to claim something was still published by Firth- well, ... maybe when just starting out, the familiar-name-doesn't-hurt-sales notion-... ... hrm.) Eric 00:53, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
Hi, If you want it to be for the original issue of 1879, you don't even need to bother putting in a date at the end. It will default to "n.d.[1879]" Carolus 02:23, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
periodical scanning, I say belatedly :) Will have to discuss w/ "tagteam" how to tag them... Eric 03:57, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
The magazines I've found the most music in - I'll have to check when I'm more awake to see which of these you've uploaded...- include (e.g. ...) Musical Times, Folio, Ditson's Monthly Musical Record and Review... hrm, those are the three that are coming to mind offhand but there are others... Eric 04:10, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
By the way, did you know LOC has an entire 202-page opera vocal score scanned in in their American Memory Section? ... :) Eric 03:15, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
That's about the largest I've usually seen there too, like some of the bigger masses ordinary. I didn't realize it skipped the 1860s (both projects included). Working on it, act 1 (68 pages) downloaded, will return to the page after that file is processed. The composer has a Wikipedia page on En and De and was conductor of the NY Philharmonic after Theodore Thomas left for Chicago Eric 03:28, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
First two acts uploaded, so far, to Der Rattenfänger von Hameln by Adolf Neuendorff :) Act 4 quite brief so... not really so much to go. Eric 14:14, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
Hi Cypressdome. Thank you very much for uploading the Chopin Etude op. 25. I have very long to find this piano scores. Nicho 07:06, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
