User talk:KGill/archive5


Leclercq, Edgard

I made a typo when putting in this composer. The first name should be Edgard. Sorry. And thanks for all of your great work! Generoso 20:55, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

It's OK, and has been fixed. And thanks :-) (As a note, to link to a category without putting other pages into it, you can put a colon (:) in front of it - i.e. [[:Category:(etc.)]].) KGill talk email 21:00, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

X. Scharwenka op 79 no 1

KGill, it didn't dawn on me until this morning that I misidentified this work. It is actually his Op. 15 No. 3 (same song title). His Op. 79 would have been published about 15 years later. If the Op. 79 page could just be deleted I'll be glad to re-post the file to Op. 15 later. Thanks again. Cypressdome

(N.B. This was taken care of by Hobbypianist. KGill talk email 01:38, 16 July 2010 (UTC))


KGill, thank you for the heads up on Zimbalist. However, does the issue of his death still apply if the original publication of the work was in 1921? Fantasie on theme from the golden cockrel Sergeilysenko 16:41, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

It depends on the country. That particular work is public domain in the US only, because it was published before 1923. Every other country bases its copyright terms on the date of death of the last surviving author (actually, so does the US starting for works published after 1977). Because our servers are in Canada, which has a system of life plus 50 years, nothing by him (or Stravinsky, Milhaud, Shostakovich, etc.) can be here. KGill talk email 16:47, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Composer category page

suggests I insert middle names when I know them- that's why the long names :) Maybe that needs to be clarified (or better, I should go look for the page name rules!) Anyhow, thanks Eric 01:21, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

I've changed this from "First name (and middle name if existant)" to "First name(s)", without any guarantee that will reduce the potential for confusion :-) — P.davydov 07:51, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
Well, I guess there's not much we can fix on the add composer page, because it would be rather obnoxious to mention there that we name composers in accordance with what's given by LC Authorities (when available). Don't worry about it too much ;-) KGill talk email 20:03, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Re: Scrjabin / Scriabin

Hi KGill, the problem was that I couldn't go on because the following words appeared when I tried to add Scriabin: 'This category already exists'. So I took one of the transliterations (see Lemare and Gabrilowitsch). Best wishes! --Ralph Theo Misch 00:41, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Yesterday, I forgot to ask you, why that remark appears, when a performer is also a composer with an already existing category. What have I to do in future in such cases? Thanks --Ralph Theo Misch 00:42, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
Well, performer categories and composer categories use different templates, so the performances can't be incorporated into the same category as the compositions. To distinguish between the two, it's probably best to use the same name as the composer category, except to add '(performer)' after the last name. The problem with using transliterations is that it can cause the alphabetical sorting to change, and would not appear consistent with the sorting of the composer category. This isn't so much of an issue right now when we have a couple dozen performers, but it would be greatly compounded when we eventually got up to the thousands (which I expect to happen, slowly but surely). Thanks, KGill talk email 00:47, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for your quick answer (as usual)! - I'll do my best --Ralph Theo Misch 00:52, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

scores for single instruments?

Hallo kgill,

first, thank you for fixing the Telemann Triosonatas!

Then a little question: I agree, having a solo piece labelled "part" is odd, but "score" is not an exact description either: - I am not a native english speaker (but lived 18 years in UK and USA) - does that term not imply at least 2 voices?

Suggestion: "Complete Sonata" or equivalent...

I don't know what the actual precise definition of the term 'score' is, but as a native speaker myself, I've always used it to mean an engraving that shows all of the instrumental parts in a work, which in this case number only one. 'Part' sounds rather strange to me because that implies that there is more to the work than what's in that file. As for 'Complete Sonata'/etc., I'm not sure that would work either because it isn't standard, and it wouldn't quite make sense to use that as an exception since labeling the file a sonata doesn't really give the user any information on what its instrumentation is. Basically, I think 'score' works fine as a file description of solo works, because the criteria for it being a score seem to me the same as for any other instrumentation. KGill talk email 21:30, 25 July 2010 (UTC)


Thanks for cleaning up after me — I totally forgot about the double redirects!-- Snailey (_@/) Talk to Me Email me 17:11, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

It's fine. I'm doing it partially to placate my conscience (since I totally ignored the other numbering system) ;-) KGill talk email 17:13, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Well, Grove's has a completely different system again, and the edition we're using probably has its own as well...not so easy to remember...:)-- Snailey (_@/) Talk to Me Email me 17:16, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

2 String Trios, Op.61 (Fuchs, Robert)

Maybe merge with the already existing Terzetti, Op.61 (Fuchs, Robert)? Eric 01:15, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, didn't see that - I'll fix it. I think it would be better to use the standardized title, though. KGill talk email 01:16, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Either should be fine of course- the reason the original author (may have been me) of the page chose Terzetti, I think, is because that's a standard name for trios for two violins and viola (eg also the Dvorak opus 74 in C), and appears on the parts of the Fuchs I think (and in library catalogs listing the work, and his third terzetto in c-sharp minor op.107 iirc also. He wrote one trio also for violin viola and cello, op. 94. To distinguish the two kinds - the terzetti opp 61 and 107(?) and the string trio op 94 - would be a reason to use a different title. but I agree there are good reasons to use the standardized title.) Eric 01:21, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

'Terzetto' and 'string trio' can really mean the same thing (a work for three string players - as far as we know from that title, could be two cellos and bass), so calling Op.94 a different thing than the other opera wouldn't IMO actually make it easier to tell what the instrumentation is without looking, unless we put the exact instrumentation in the title, which would go against another part of the style guide. So yes, it may be slightly confusing, but I think that partly because of the Category Walker and partly because of the host of ambiguous cases like this one, it really would be better to stick to our standard English predefined work types. (And anyway, there are a lot of 'string trios' for 2 violins and cello as well.) Thanks, KGill talk email 01:32, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Well, that was the standard instrumentation before, iirc, the (one-each??) violin-viola-cello trios by Wenzel Pichl and of course after that Mozart's little "Divertimento" ;) started the now standard trend... Eric 01:50, 2 August 2010 (UTC)


Hi KGill, in the last moonless night I wrote to Casey326 in rather nebulous way. A simple 'where to buy' in my question would have been the solution... ;-) Sorry for the confusion --Ralph Theo Misch 09:36, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Category:Koni︠u︡s, Georgiĭ

I'm confused- do we already have a category for this composer? Eric 00:01, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Yes, here. The Sibley file uploaded was already on the site. KGill talk email 00:02, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Ah, thanks. Still going to try to see if he and Julius were related, of course- makes me curious :) (someone says they were uncle and nephew.) Eric 00:05, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

This is a classic example of how hard it can be to establish the "correct" name for a composer. Georgii, Lev and Iulii Konius were brothers and musicians, who in the West were usually known under the French versions of their names: Georges Conus, Leon Conus and Jules Conus. After the revolution, Lev emigrated to the USA, so he's listed by the Library of Congress as "Leon Conus", but Georgii (who stayed in Russia), is "Georgii Eduardovich Konius". Iulli spent most of his later life in France as "Jules Conus", but the LC use "Iulii Eduardovich Konius" on the basis that he eventually died in Russia under his original name. Grove uses "Georgy Eduardovich Konyus" (ignoring the other two), while Wikipedia uses "Conus" for the surnames of all 3, but gives their forenames as "Georgi" [sic], "Lev" and "Julius". That's why there are so many alternative name forms given on our page for Georges Conus (!) — P.davydov 07:25, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Nice holidays!

--Ralph Theo Misch 00:20, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! :-) KGill talk email 00:21, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Welcome back :)-- Snailey (_@/) Talk to Me Email me 19:18, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Florence Price

was known as Vee Jay? (oh. during WW2? That might make sense. Hadn't heard that though...) Eric 02:33, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

I don't know in what circumstances it was used, but LC lists it as an alternate name, so I assume it must be accurate. Cheers, KGill talk email 14:17, 4 August 2010 (UTC)


All of a sudden a lot of new users have appeared doing wouldn't happen to have anything to do with this? :D-- Snailey (_@/) Talk to Me Email me 20:59, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

I'm responsible for Lndlewis10, but as for BKhon and Gesamtkunstwerk, beats me. Hey, I'm not complaining ;-) KGill talk email 21:01, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Nor am I! Nice to have other people doing cleanup.-- Snailey (_@/) Talk to Me Email me 21:03, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Oh, and thanks for the plate numbers cleanup...I guess Jefflyon has started a trend!-- Snailey (_@/) Talk to Me Email me 21:41, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
I certainly hope so. From now on I think that whenever I add a file, I'll add the plate number entry for it (when there's a publisher page for it). These lists are IMO one of the best parts of the site. KGill talk email 21:44, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Yes they are. It reminds me that I need to create some more publisher pages soon :) (Etienne Roger, I think. But I can never find info on C.F.W. Siegel)-- Snailey (_@/) Talk to Me Email me 21:53, 5 August 2010 (UTC)


Does this work? i see your a administrator. how can i start to contribute? I saw lots of mozart on the site and think it's great! why isn't Stravinsky on?

I'm not KGill, but here goes:
  1. Yes, it worked! Put your message at the bottom of the talk page next time — the easiest way is by clicking the plus sign at the top of the page. Also, please sign your messages with four tildes ("~~~~")
  2. You can submit any public domain scores that you have, recordings of yourself playing a public domain piece, or cleanup work.
  3. The Stravinsky category tells you why he is not on this website. It also contains a link to his scores.

Cheers-- Snailey (_@/) Talk to Me Email me 21:31, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

There are a lot of ways to contribute. If you're so inclined, you can upload scores through the Sibley Mirroring Project or from another site. If you have a scanner, you could scan your own scores and submit them. If you're fluent in a language other than English, you could help out with translation; if you feel like it you could add plate number lists to publisher pages, or just do general maintenance (i.e. keep things in line with the style guide, etc.). I'd advise reading IMSLP:Copyright Made Simple and How to Submit a Score to get an idea of how things work (the first one also explains why we can't have Stravinsky here). For more information, you can go to the Contributor Portal (a link is in the left sidebar). Cheers, KGill talk email 21:37, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Sokolov trio

Thanks!- I think we have this score at my university library but it's in their locked press... I believe. I've only heard a little of Sokolov's music (his 2nd string quartet) but like it. Eric 00:55, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome. We're all thankful to Theo Wyatt, of course :-) KGill talk email 00:57, 7 August 2010 (UTC)


Oh! Sorry... got it. :) Eric 01:01, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

I know this page has been moved before, but...

I think there's good reason to suppose that Choralvorspiel zu 'Befiehl du deine Wege' (Lange Sr., Samuel de) is listed under the wrong composer (under Samuel de Lange Sr. whereas the only available evidence I think I can find, the table of contents of the volume it belongs to, states the composer died in 1911, the date of death of Samuel de Lange Jr. Should it be moved somehow to the younger composer's category? Eric 03:19, 8 August 2010 (UTC) (realizing you are on vacation, but no hurry)

Done :)-- Snailey (_@/) Talk to Me Email me 03:34, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Hummel Piano Trios

Hopefully I was allowed to do this, but I started a cleanup process for the Hummel Piano Trios, which was marked as needing a 'cleanup'. Obviously I achieved did it by splitting the files. Unfortunately, I'm having a hard time splitting the piano scores for Opp. 83 and 93, but I extracted the parts for them. It's very cluttered right now, as I have them all on the same page. Now that this part is finished (aside from the piano scores) should I make separate pages for them, or let an administrator do it so they can be logged in the system as not needing to be cleaned up anymore (once the piano score is extracted for the two Opp. of course)? Thanks, BKhon 19:54, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Yes, separate pages should be made for them. It doesn't really matter who moves the files (I can do it if you'd like, once you finish the piano scores); removing the cleanup marking is as simple as deleting the template {{cleanup}} at the top of the page. And thanks for this :-) I marked it for cleanup months ago and was too lazy to do it myself... KGill talk email 20:01, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
Okay, I'll finish the cleanup and delete the template. Just wanted permission in case I was doing something stupid ;-) Thanks, BKhon 20:04, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
Oh, one other thing - when you've emptied the old page of the new files, please mark it for deletion (using the template {{delete}}) without removing the old files. Thanks, KGill talk email 20:08, 15 August 2010 (UTC)


Thanks for the additional information and clarification!! Eric 03:07, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Page titles

Not sure if you've seen this forum thread from a few days ago. Any thoughts? — P.davydov 17:19, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing it out - I'll take a look. KGill talk email 17:26, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Work page merges

Thank you for your quick responses! Is the method I'm using (a note on the talk page) sufficient, or is there an even better method? I assume only admins can do page merges; if there's anything more I can do to help, let me know. User:Casey326

Actually, any user can do that - what I'm doing is cutting all of the file templates from one page and pasting it into the second (some reshuffling may be necessary), and then redirecting the first to the second (i.e. replacing all of the content of the page with #REDIRECT [[wherever]]). Perfectly ordinary page edits. Of course, it's not much trouble, so if you want you can continue just leaving notes for me (I may not always see them, but someone else may). Cheers, KGill talk email 23:53, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Rubinstein, Op.16

Thanks for attending to that. I managed to do the Op.11 correction before my internet connection died last night, but my edits to Op.16 never made it :-( — P.davydov 09:09, 20 August 2010 (UTC)