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Two stylistic issues

Hi Daphnis! Just two small stylistic issues:

  1. It may be a good idea to follow the format "Place: Original Publisher, Copyright Date. Plate Number xxxx" with the publisher information section of the submission. Don't forget to put at least all the publication information in the scan itself in the submission! It makes it much easier for people to check the publication information without having to actually download the file :)
  2. It may be a good idea to use "Complete score" instead of "piano score" if the piece is a piano piece; this is just because "piano score" gives people the impression of it being a piano reduction.

I've corrected both issues as an example here. Otherwise, these are very good submissions! :) --Feldmahler 23:16, 18 May 2007 (EDT)

US Copyright

Hi Daphnis, In the US, any work published after 1922 (in 1923 and beyond) is likely to be under copyright - for a term of 95 years after date of publication. This is especially true with Durand, who was fanatical about renewing copyrights in the US. Several of the Lucien Garban piano arrangements you've recently posted are very much under copyright in the USA as well as in Canada and will have to me removed unfortunately. Carolus 14:14, 20 May 2007 (EDT)

I've removed the offending pieces, so it is all right now :) But yes, do keep that in mind for future submissions. By the way, it may also be a good idea to use the Image:Placeholder.pdf|placeholder file instead of the real file when submitting to IMSLP (if the file is only public domain in the US), as per the US server submission guide. This is just because the file shouldn't be on the Canadian server due to legal reasons ;) --Feldmahler 14:37, 20 May 2007 (EDT)


Hi Daphnis! Looking at the error log it seems to me like you have had more than your share of file not exist errors... can you tell me what happens (i.e. how did it get through in the end? Did you change anything for it to submit successfully?)? By the way, what browser are you using?

I've been trying to track this elusive bug for quite a while, but have not yet had any success... the main problem is that I myself am completely unable to reproduce this bug... --Feldmahler 15:53, 26 May 2007 (EDT)

Thank you very much for your response! I think you gave me all the information I needed to pinpoint the bug :) --Feldmahler 14:29, 27 May 2007 (EDT)

Empty work page

Hello Daphnis, just to remind you that the work page 18 Etudes for Oboe (Bozza, Eugene) which you have created, currently doesn't have any submitted files. --Leonard Vertighel 16:24, 1 June 2007 (EDT)

It needs to be deleted. I realized those etudes are not in the public domain. How can I do this? Daphnis 16:59, 1 June 2007 (EDT)
By asking an admin (e.g., me) to delete it (already done now). You can also request deletion by putting the template {{Delete|Reason}} on the page, replacing "Reason" with the actual reason. --Leonard Vertighel 17:13, 1 June 2007 (EDT)

Satie: Vexations

Hi, do you happen to have the score for Satie's 'Vexations'?

Satie's 'Vexations' were first published in 1969 by Eschig in a volume called Pages mystiques: oeuvre posthume and so therefore not in the public domain. But, yes, I personally have the 'Vexations'. Daphnis 16:22, 7 June 2007 (EDT)

Oh, I didn't know that... Well, thank you anyway.

Hello Daphnis!

I'm very pleased to find so much about Ravel in your downloads - there's a long time I look for his stuff, so thank you very much for the operas and songs you've putted here :)

About "Don Quichotte à Dulcinée" you've uploaded baryton version of the score - is that the only avaliable? Since I'm tenor looks like I'll need a transpose on the entire cycle. Anyway if it's not possible to find another version I can do this work by my own, but can you take a look about that for me?

Thanks for your interest in making Ravel's songs known and acessible. See you :)

Hi. The version I have uploaded is the original version (baryton) of Ravel's score. Durand also published a version for high and medium voice, but this was the original.Daphnis 16:36, 10 June 2007 (EDT)

Oh I see... Anyway I'll keep looking for a higher edition. And thanks again :)

L'Album des Six, Durey

Hi Daphnis, thanks for all the wonderful music. You asked to be contacted if someone wanted a specific French score. That's very generous of you, especially considering that you're an undoubtedly very busy grad student. If it's not an inconvenience for you, I'd like 'L'Album des Six' from 1919. I'd also be very interested in any of Durey's music that's available (of all Les Six, his music seems to be the most difficult to obtain). More specifically, I'm interested in the piano music that is no longer under copyright in the US, which should (I think) include Scènes de cirque, Op.9 (1917); Three Préludes, Op.26 (1920); Prélude et élégie, Op.28 (1921); and Two études, Op.29 (1921). I'd be grateful for any of the above. Physicist 14:14, 11 June 2007 (EDT)

Of course I'd be glad to get this, although it may not be until August sometime as I'm between graduate schools. I did have this at one point but only took Poulenc's and Auric's contributions. I wish now I had scanned the whole thing now! Would you be interested in the entire album or only Durey's piece (Romance sans paroles)? The other works you mentioned--I don't even see an entry in the WorldCat for Op.9 or Op.28 but do see the 3 preludes. I suppose his works are indeed very rare. I'll do my best to get any I can. Daphnis 14:41, 11 June 2007 (EDT)
From L'Album, I have the Poulenc and (thanks to your uploading it) the Auric. I'd like the remaining four pieces. I obtained the list of Durey's early works from the New Grove Online. I suppose it's possible that Durey assigned them opus numbers but that, for whatever reason, some of them were never published. I generally like the music of Les Six, and would like to try at the piano any of Durey's music I can acquire. I don't know why Durey's music has dropped out of sight so completely. One article online blamed it on his communism and his anticlericalism, but honestly, in France those attitudes should fit in just fine. Thanks again. Physicist 10:42, 12 June 2007 (EDT)
Yes, I also looked up his works list on Grove. It seems there are only a few of these works available (or at least records exist) through WorldCat. When I'm eligible again for Interlibrary loan I'm going to try and get all those I can, but it'll be difficult. Remind me in case I forget (although I shouldn't) sometime in late August. Daphnis 20:00, 12 June 2007 (EDT)
Physicist, I was able to get (through a friend of mine) Durey's Romance sans Paroles from the 'Album des six' and will post this to IMSLP right now (sorry for the scans...not my work). I haven't forgotten about the other works and will try to get them as soon as I'm able. Daphnis 08:58, 19 June 2007 (EDT)
Thank you for the Durey. Physicist 09:39, 20 June 2007 (EDT)


I posted a question for you Re:Shostakovich on Carolus's page: are any of the pre-1923 preludes are in your book? Physicist 21:00, 13 June 2007 (EDT)

See my reply on his page. The book contains 3 sets of preludes/fugues, but I don't think any are pre-1923. Daphnis 21:04, 13 June 2007 (EDT)

Padmâvatî - Roussel

Dear Daphnis, there's some time I'm also looking for any score of this Opera. It is possible to you upload this one? Thanks for you efforts on french music :)

Seeing as how the vocal score is 219 pages, probably not, or at least no time soon. My current project is to finish scanning and editing Ravel's 2 operas (orchestral scores) and his remaining orchestral works like Daphnis et Chloe. If there's a specific section you want I could probably get that-I have the score. Also, when posting messages of any kind, if you could sign the message with 4 tildes (like this: ~~~~) it will insert your username and a time stamp telling me who you are and when you posted your message. Thanks. Daphnis 10:15, 16 June 2007 (EDT)

Oh, I see... Actualy I was looking for a french interesting opera to play/sing in a student project. Honestly I can't tell about specific parts of this opera (watched just once, I can only say that I've liked pretty much the whole material). Anyway I hope that you can upload it someday, thanks for your working on frech music! Ramir 17:47, 29 June 2007 (EDT)

Do you know L'Enfant et les Sortilégès by Ravel? I've uploaded both the Vocal score and the full orchestral score on the project page. Check them out if you're not familiar with it. Daphnis 17:55, 29 June 2007 (EDT)

L'Enfant seems to be good, despite the very nonstandart structure. I know this opera, try to work something from it. Thanks :) Ramir 22:42, 2 July 2007 (EDT)


Hi Daphnis, I think I have an email address set now (I'm not exactly a wikiologist). Physicist 15:34, 18 June 2007 (EDT)


Well, I was planning on scanning them from the original Durand editions, but the Dover reprint is just as fine! Go ahead and begin scanning, but can you tell me which songs are not included in the Dover reprint, so I can scan them? Best, Goldberg988 10:11, 25 June 2007 (EDT)

Your scans look great. What hardware are you using, and are all pages scanned at 600 dpi? Are you getting all these from UA's library? I guess whatever ones you can't fill I'll step in and take care of 'em. Daphnis 17:09, 30 June 2007 (EDT)

Daphnis: could you upload the rhapsody for clarinet and orchestra. It would be very much appreciated Daphnis 11:00, 23 September 2007 (EDT)


Thanks for the clarification; I wasn't sure I was reading the jumble properly. I added the info to the article. Physicist 10:53, 28 June 2007 (EDT)

Thanks. Not sure why I didn't do that myself, but glad you caught it. Daphnis 10:55, 28 June 2007 (EDT)

Debussy Quartet

Hi Daphnis: Wow, thanks for all the scans. Now, I was trying out the Debussy Quartet 2 mains transcription (with the beautiful Durand typesetting); would you happen to know if there exists a recording of this? Seems unlikely, but I thought it wouldn' t hurt to ask from the source.

Hi. No I don't think there was ever a recording produced of this. I did a quick search on the WorldCat and came up with nothing. I'd be very surprised if there does exist a recording, honestly. Daphnis 19:47, 17 July 2007 (EDT)

Ravel's songs...

Dear Daphnis, is that possible to you upload the "Tripatos" and "chansons Flamande, écossaise, Russe" I thought you already did but I couldn't find any of them here in IMSLP. Thanks again ^^ Ramir 23:00, 19 July 2007 (EDT)

I would like to, but those songs are still protected by copyright. Daphnis 09:14, 20 July 2007 (EDT)

Oh, I see. Thanks anyway :) Ramir 23:55, 21 July 2007 (EDT)

Debussy: Pelléas et Mélisande

Cher Daphnis, Merci beaucoup pour vos travaux sur les compositions de Ravel! I'm also a big fan of French music! My uploads are mainly Russian and modern scores. It is that I wish to have Debussy's <Pelléas et Mélisande> orchestral score uploaded, will you help me? Merci toujours! Also, I'll be glad to offer some modern scores to you.

Hommage, Maurice.

Maurice, yes I'm planning on scanning and uploading Pelléas et Mélisande but it will not be very soon as I have a massive list of French piano music to finish as well as orchestral scores including Daphnis et Chloe. Daphnis 10:48, 6 August 2007 (EDT)

About Ravel "Ma mere l'Oye"

Dear Daphnis,

It seems that the "Ma mere l'Oye" you uploaded is a bit different from the original ballet (According to Pierre Boulez's DG recording). Some "intermezzos" are missing. Is your score a selected "suite" instead of original ballet? Please tell me . And could you please have a complete one uploaded?

Regards, Maurice

Maurice, the way Ma mere l'Oye was configured for orchestra was the following: Ravel originally composed the 5 movements for piano 4-hands, the later was asked to orchestrate it for a ballet production. At that time he composed 2 new movements specifically for this ballet production, the "Prelude" and "Danse du Rouet". The orchestral score I have posted is the complete set including both these 2 "new" movements. Hope this clarifies things. Daphnis 07:52, 7 August 2007 (EDT)

I mean, between each movement there's few seconds of a short intermezzo, and according to Pierre Boulez's DG recording, between "Petit Poucet" and "Laideronnette, Impératrice Des Pagodes" there is an "Interlude" (see [[1]]). Is this version not Ravel's original one ?

Oh yes I see what you mean. Well, there were 3 versions of this produced: the suite for piano duet, the transcription for orchestra of this suite, and a version for the ballet which he added the 2 new movements and a few little interludes between movements (in order to clear dancers from the stage and allow time for any set changes). I've never looked for these interludes myself, but I don't think a version was ever published of his complete ballet rendition including these interludes. Durand, his primary publisher, first published the version for piano duet, then his orchestral transcription, then later the 2 pieces he added for the ballet. I'll try to find out for sure if it was ever published. Daphnis 20:30, 7 August 2007 (EDT)

Ravel : Menuet Antique

Dear Daphnis, It seems that you haven't uploaded Ravel's Menuet Antique orchestral score. Is it not in the public domain ? ---With this, I'll have all his orchestral works.

Yes, you're right! I totally forgot about this. I'll have to add this in a few weeks. Do you have the complete Daphnis et Chloe orchestral score? I'm currently in the process of making all new scans from the original edition to upload. Daphnis 20:31, 7 August 2007 (EDT)
It's a pity that I don't have Daphnis et Chloe either. I've just been waiting for you...Thanks a lot!

Where do you get so many scores? You're working in an orchestra?

I'm a doctoral student at a US university and so have access to their library's holdings plus any scores owned pretty much anywhere in the USA (for free). But the Ravel scores are my personal scores as he is my main area of research/concentration (read: Ravel scholar in training :)) Daphnis 20:54, 7 August 2007 (EDT)

Oh, that's pretty good life! I major in composition in England now, so I mainly study modern music.

By the way, please help me find the orchestral scores as showed below the title if you can and in the public domain.

Finding French orchestral scores

By the way, please help me find the orchestral scores as showed below the title if you can and in the public domain.

  Faure: Pavane,Op.50  (done)
  Honegger: Pacific 231 (done)
  Bizet: Jeux d'Enfants (done)
  Frank: Le Chasseur maudit (done)
  Ibert: Escales (not PD)
Escales is not in public domain anywhere in the world as Ibert died in 1962. Even though Escales was published in 1924 it just missed the deadline for public domain in the US and won't be public domain in Canada for some time. I can get the other scores, but it won't be anytime soon as I have a whole list of things to be scanned and uploaded before then.
Ok, I'll always be waiting. Thanks a lot.
I've seen your "Pacific 231" , Thanks a lot!--chat de nuit 19:56, 30 August 2007 (EDT)--chat de nuit 19:56, 30 August 2007 (EDT)

Fauré's Pavane now posted. Daphnis 11:21, 6 September 2007 (EDT)

Le Chausseur Maudit orchestral score posted: Daphnis 00:28, 12 September 2007 (EDT)
Jeux d'Enfants suite orchestral score posted. Daphnis 20:33, 13 September 2007 (EDT)

Yes, all done... Thank you very much, I've been finding these for years...Maurice nuit 09:33, 14 September 2007 (EDT)

Re: Finding plate numbers

Heya Daphnis!

Well, you've done a considerable amount of uploading for the MIT project yourself, and yes, if we all keep it this way, we'll be able to finish this before Christmas.

Concerning the plate numbers, I only write the plate numbers when they are completely visible. If they are partly visible, I try to figure out the numbers according to the date (for example, if another score of the same publisher was published in 1909 and has plate number 164XX, and I see something I'd recognise as either a 1 or a 4 in the plate number, but the score in question was published in 1907, then I'd choose 1 instead of 4), or I do my best to figure out numbers by visiting other pages, or by comparing a partly-visible number to a clearly-visible number to see if they are the same or different etc.

To answer your question, no, I don't have access to WorldCat, but since I am only starting my studies at university level on September, I guess I will have access from September onwards.

Anyway, take care and keep up the good work! Cheers! ~ jujimufu 13:41, 9 August 2007 (EDT)

searching for Chabrier "Marche des Cipayes"

Hi, Daphnis, You seem to be the expert on French piano music... I wonder if you can help with a piece I have been looking for for a long time. Chabrier's "Marche des Cipayes". If you can upload it, or perhaps even send me a message or e-mail about it, that would be really really kind. Thanks! Emj999 06:14, 16 August 2007 (EDT)

Yes, I've been trying to score a copy of this for some time. The only problem is it's extremely difficult to find as it was published by what amounted to a one-man publishing outfit (Peppe Gambogi) and only in limited copies. And no libraries anywhere in the US have this piece, not to mention there's not even a record for it in WorldCat. I do have a couple leads which I'm currently following up on with a few publishers and performers. I'll report back what I find, and hopefully with piece-in-hand. Daphnis 09:59, 16 August 2007 (EDT)

Thank you for your prompt reply. I didn't know the story behind its publisher, but the difficulty we both have had in finding it certainly backs your story up! I have exhausted all my possible avenues, so this is my last hope. It would be marvellous if you can find it. I tried to track it down via the Naxos recording, but the pianist had died a while ago. Looking forward to hearing from you. I may not check this page so often, so if you have a way to send me an e-mail if you have a result, that would be very kind indeed. Emj999 11:52, 16 August 2007 (EDT)

I can probably find it, I just need to follow up on a few leads from a few folks. Make sure you either have an email address set in your account, leave one with me here, or watch my talk page for any updates. Worst case scenario: I can't find the work anywhere in the US so I have to get it from the BnF when I go to Paris this fall. Daphnis 11:58, 16 August 2007 (EDT)
Success. One of my leads turned up pay dirt. See this page for already uploaded copy: Daphnis 17:20, 16 August 2007 (EDT)

Thank you so much. That is fantastic! Please let me know if I can help with anything. I don't keep my scores in PDF format. But I do have a number of manuscript rarities, and I'd be happy to scan and send if I have something you want. [By the way, I am also searching for Rachmaninov's revised version of his Serenade, op.2/5 ... don't suppose you have this too, by any chance?] Emj999 00:22, 17 August 2007 (EDT)

Feel free to scan and upload anything you have that is public domain and not already posted. As for Rachmaninoff, no, I'm not big into Russian music and don't have much of it. Daphnis 09:08, 17 August 2007 (EDT)

Menuet sur le nom d'Haydn

In reply to your note, when uploading the piece, I didn't use MSPaint. Instead, I combined the TIFF files from Project Gutenberg using the default settings of Adobe Acrobat Pro. It's odd; when I viewed the PDF it seemed normal size. Should this method be avoided too? (And, if so, how do you suggest combining TIFFs into a PDF?) Any thoughts? -Ras1

What probably happened was the TIFFs you obtained from Project Gutenberg were edited in MSPaint or the likes, because I can tell these came from the CD Sheet Music set of French Piano Music, which means they had to decrypt the PDF file original, then dump the images, then edit them to remove water marks. So when you got them, their resolution had already been altered, and combining them into a PDF didn't change it. I didn't fix the file you uploaded per se, but rather used a copy of my own that had been properly edited. I don't mess around with Project Gutenberg stuff at all because frankly not many people know how to scan and edit music properly, so I'd rather get the scores and scan/edit them myself. But if Gutenberg scans/scores must be used, oh well, at least we'll have the music available to us in some form. Daphnis 10:20, 17 August 2007 (EDT)

looking for a Liszt score

Dear Daphnis, Since you were so wonderful at finding the Chabrier piece, do you mind if I try you with another rarity which I am trying to find? It's by Liszt. Before I tell you what it is, I should say that it's in only 1 library in the US, a university library. I know someone else who has approached them for it before, and the library doesn't seem keen to allow copies - although the piece is a published 19th C score. So my best chance of finding it would be if you know anyone with an amazing Liszt collection. I don't want to approach the library directly, in case I make them hold on to it even more tightly. But if you have any friends who are students in the US, who might be able to get a copy from some inter-library arrangement, or something like that, that could be useful. Unless you happen to know anyone with an outstanding Liszt collection...! Thanks! Emj999 07:44, 31 August 2007 (EDT)

Normally, I would never help anyone find anything of Liszt's since I intensely despise most of his music, but if you tell me the name of the piece (which you failed to do) and the 1 library you say has it, I might see what I can do. Daphnis 09:25, 31 August 2007 (EDT)

Thank you for your reply. I am sorry you don't like Liszt! I know I didn't mention the name of the piece earlier, because I just wanted to sound you out on it, to begin with. If you think you might be able to help, your personal feelings notwithstanding, that would be wonderful. The piece is Liszt's arrangement for piano duet of Beethoven's Septett (op. 20). The library which has it is the University of Virginia. However, please don't approach them directly, unless you know someone there, because I think they will not agree to make a copy, and I don't want them to think that suddenly lots of people are trying to get hold of the piece. [Normally, it shouldn't matter, but I suspect that in this case it will just make them even more "possessive" about it.] Thank you! Emj999 07:04, 1 September 2007 (EDT)

I'll try putting a request in for it, but I assure you libraries are not personally possessive over certain scores. They merely follow internal rules and regulations according to personal library policy and state of material. They may be unwilling to loan the score for the same reason they may be unwilling to loan a Catalogue de l'oeuvre of some composer--some items such as reference materials are designed as non-circulating at most libraries. But like I said, I'll put in a request for the score and see what happens. Were you aware that this also exists in the Neue Ausgabe sämtlicher Werke transcriptions collection VII edited by Imre Mezo and László Vikárius? I know this wouldn't qualify as public domain, but at least it's out there and available. Daphnis 09:45, 1 September 2007 (EDT)

Well, that would be wonderful if you can get a result. All I know is that other people have tried to get the score from that Library, and have been refused. I had no idea that the work may be available elsewhere, or had ever been republished. Can I just check that you are aware that I am talking of Liszt's duet arrangement, and not his solo arrangement? If the edition you mentioned is indeed the duet version, please tell me where or how I can get a copy. I don't mind if I have to pay for it! Thank you so much! Emj999 12:57, 1 September 2007 (EDT)

No, that was the arrangement for solo piano. But after looking, are you positive that there was an arrangement done for piano duet? When I look at the records of both, the piano solo shows 35 pages and the version for 4 hands 33 pages. If these numbers are correct I may seriously doubt if it is actually for 4 hands and not a mistake in the record. It doesn't appear that the Neue Ausgabe contains this arrangement for 4 hands if it is correct. Daphnis 13:07, 1 September 2007 (EDT)

Yes, as I said, it is exceptionally rare, and as I said above, it is the duet version I want. It certainly does exist, and the University of Virginia have allowed only the first page of each movement to be copied and sent to scholars, for verification and cataloguing purposes. I don't know why they want to sit on their score. If you use their Library search function, you can see the record states that they do have the duet version. [The Neue Ausgabe is far from complete, by the way.]Emj999 13:15, 1 September 2007 (EDT)

Have you actually seen the first page of this score in that case? The record may indicate one thing and the score something different. Records are only as good as those who enter them, and it has been my not-so-rare experience that the records are incorrect. All I can do is request the score (which I have already done). If I can't get it from there I would suggest you appeal to a Liszt fan at U of V. Daphnis 13:23, 1 September 2007 (EDT)

Yes, it does exist. Go here ( and search with: liszt septett op 20 You will see the record! Thanks!

Yes, I've already seen that but it proves nothing, only that the WorldCat record and it agree. Since UV is the only library that claims to have it, they undoubtedly created the record in WorldCat. This is not conclusive that this wasn't a cataloging error. You need secondary confirmation like finding Liszt works catalogs or biographies that specifically mention this score. Daphnis 09:53, 3 September 2007 (EDT)

It exists!! title sheet: Grand Septuor // op. 20 de // L. van Beethoven // contenant // Adagio e Allegro con brio. Agagio cantabile // Menuetto e Scherzo. Andante con Variazioni // Andante alla marcia, e Presto / /transcrits // pour le pianoforte // par // Fr. Liszt // à deux mains - à quatre mains // Propriété des Editeurs // J. Schuberth & Comp. // Leipzig (Hambourg) & New-York. Plate no. 3885

I own a copy of the title page and pages 2, 3, 10, 11, 16-19, 24-27 [showing the beginnings of all the movements]. However I am not surprised at your scepticism. It is probably without exception the single rarest published Liszt score in the world. For some reason the Library doesn't want to make a full copy, and has only allowed the above pages for cataloguing. (Which is why I originally suggested not approaching them directly, but instead trying to use a network of friends who may possibly have it in their collection already, or otherwise a student at the University. Any outside requests for the work is likely to make them think there is some sort of increased world interest in it, which, given their previous behaviour, I thought might only make them sit on it all the tighter.) Emj999 20:21, 3 September 2007 (EDT)

Ok, well you're the expert, not me. I'm only saying that you should never place absolute trust in a record, even if it does appear in noteworthy sources. As I've said, I've requested the score. I'll let you know the outcome. If they do loan it I'll scan, process, and upload it. If not, this might be good motivation to make a friend in the music department at UV. Daphnis 22:59, 3 September 2007 (EDT)

I take your point! Looking forward to the Library's reply to you. You said "if they do loan it". Do you mean that you've requested the score itself (rather than asking them to give you a scan or photocopy)? I wouldn't know how to go about making a friend in the music department there! I am not from the US! Thanks for all the help. Emj999 01:22, 4 September 2007 (EDT)

I have requested the score itself. If they won't loan I've requested a photocopy. Daphnis 09:04, 4 September 2007 (EDT)

I don't know how long the whole process may take. Days? Weeks? Months? Should I just keeping checking here, on this Talk page? Thanks! Emj999 19:52, 5 September 2007 (EDT)

I will post any and all results here. Daphnis 21:02, 5 September 2007 (EDT)

Thanks. I am checking here every day.... Emj999 11:27, 10 September 2007 (EDT)

See here: I hope this is what you wanted. And for the record, the music was incredibly fragile and brittle; it took me over 2 hours to scan, clean, and optimize these pages. No more requests for Liszt's music! :) Daphnis 00:24, 11 September 2007 (EDT)

You are absolutely marvellous. Having said I was checking every day, the very next day I had to go away for a few days, and have only just come back and seen that you have uploaded it. How fantastic!!! Thank you so much. Please tell me all about how you found it, where it came from, what the process was, etc, if you can bear to. Did you scan it yourself? The library actually sent you the score itself? Sorry for the questions. Longing to know the story. Emj999

I convinced the music librarian at the University of Virginia to loan it to me through interlibrary loan with a promise of careful treatment and the digitized form you see it in now. It was in very bad shape and took me a long time to scan and clean it up. The pages would literally crumble in my hands if not carefully placed and moved. At least now it'll live on forever available to the masses. Daphnis 23:26, 14 September 2007 (EDT)

Thank you. I have no idea why it had previously been so hard to get a copy. It seems that, far from not wanting to let the manuscript go, they were pleased that you were able to digitise it for them? By the way, I don't suppose there was a title page with the score, was there? Do you have a private address where I can message you? I'll tell you more of my background and interest in this piece. Emj999 02:07, 15 September 2007 (EDT)

It was previously impossible to get a copy because it was listed as non-circulating due to its condition, and I completely understand that decision. The slightest bending or ruffling would cause chunks to rip off--after all, it was almost 150 years old. I did not scan the title page as it was too ragged to be useful. Daphnis 11:36, 15 September 2007 (EDT)

So if it was listed as non-circulating, how did you get them to lend it to you? My previous requests to them (which had resulted only in those limited pages being given) had been for just a photocopy, not for the loan of the actual score itself. Anyway, thanks so much for your help, once again. You've done a great service to musicology. Emj999 12:20, 15 September 2007 (EDT)

The appeal of a graduate student musicologist to a former student of musicology does wonders, especially when it's for "research". Daphnis 12:28, 15 September 2007 (EDT)

Aha, ok, so that explains all. You didn't just put in a faceless request to a librarian? You were actually able to enlist the help of a friend, or professional contact? If you have an e-mail address, or any way we could correspond privately, I'd like that, if all right with you. Emj999 12:30, 15 September 2007 (EDT)

As I said, the head music librarian was sympathetic to my cause. Contact me through the email form provided in the wiki here if you wish. Daphnis 12:32, 15 September 2007 (EDT)

Thanks. Will do. I am a bit of a novice with Wiki, as you will see from the small number of uploads I have made. [There are a few other pieces I am responsible for, but which were uploaded by others.] It's late in my part of the world. I'll try to figure out the e-mail form tomorrow [is it the one which I need to log onto a separate site for, to send a "private message"?]. Meanwhile, if you know how to get through to my e-mail via Wiki, you're welcome to do so! Talk again soon. Emj999 12:43, 15 September 2007 (EDT)

I tried logging on to the IMSLP Forum, but wasn't able to see where to click to send a private message. If that's not the right place, then please tell me where to go! And if it is the right place, then please tell me how to do it! Thanks! Emj999 23:53, 15 September 2007 (EDT)

You don't need to log onto the forum. When you visit a user's talk page (like this one), look at the left side of the screen in the "Toolbox" area for the "E-mail this user" link. You'll be able to send users messages via the wiki (so long as they have e-mail address set in their profile). Daphnis 23:58, 15 September 2007 (EDT)

Thanks for telling me. I have sent a trial message. Does your reply go direct to my own e-mail address? Talk to you later. Emj999 01:07, 16 September 2007 (EDT)

Erik Satie's works

Hi Daphnis! Do you have this compositions from Satie:
-Cinema (for piano, his last work)
-Mercure (ballet)
-Socrate (symphonic drama)
Oeuvres de Jeunesse:
-Allegro (his first work)
-Danses gothiques
-Nouvelles pieces froides
-Douze petits chorals
-L`Enfance de Ko-quo (Recommandations maternelles)
-Trois Nouvelles Enfantines
-(NOT! Veritables) Preludes flasques pour un chien (1.'Voix d`interieur' is first movement)
-Jack in the box - that is very important to me!
Maybe I want too much scores, but if you can, upload that scores. P.S.: Sorry for my not very good English and THANK YOU VERY MUCH! From Genijalac

Yes, I personally have these, but most may not be posted to IMSLP. See here: The ones that are public domain are the piano scores to Mercure, Socrate and Jack in the Box. Everything else is currently under copyright. Daphnis 09:56, 1 September 2007 (EDT)
I've put up the piano score to Mercure and will put the other 2 up soon. (Orchestral score to Mercure first published 1977, under copyright worldwide) Daphnis 00:23, 13 September 2007 (EDT)
Jack-in-the-Box piano score posted. Daphnis 19:27, 13 September 2007 (EDT)

Socrate will be posted eventually, but probably no time soon. I have a huge stack of things backing up on my scanner that must be finished first. Daphnis 23:28, 14 September 2007 (EDT)

Satie, etc.

Hi Daphnis, appreciate what you've already done so far. And I have one more wish...Could you please post some of Satie's orchestral works (Le picadilly, Les Pantins dansent, Parade, etc.) in full score? By the way, any of Saint-Saëns' full score is also being excepted... --Maurice nuit 02:51, 9 September 2007 (EDT)

Maybe, but not for a long long time. I'm in the midst of completing several other composers' complete works here first, and that takes priority over all else. Daphnis 10:15, 9 September 2007 (EDT)

Honegger Scores

Hello Daphnis,

I would first of all like to thank you for the wonderful contributions you have made to IMSLP thus far; your uploads have already saved me a fortune on sheet music!

There are three scores by Arthur Honegger which I have been trying unsuccessfully to find, and which I believe are PD, namely, Le dit des jeux du monde, Horace Vitorieux, and the piano transcription of Rugby. Do you have access to any of these scores? Also, do you know whether there exists a piano reduction of either of the first two pieces? Any information would be most heartily appreciated. -Pierrot

Yes, I do have these scores and am going to scan and upload them when I get a chance. I'm actually in the process of completing the entire catalogue of Honegger sometime this year (among others), so eventually everything should be posted. But I'll fast-track these three first soon. There is no piano reduction of Le dit des jeux du monde, there is a piano 4 hands reduction of Horace Vitorieux and the solo piano reduction of Rugby, all of which I have. Now I just need the time to scan and upload them. I can't guarantee when I'll get these done as I literally have thousands of pages to scan, and my 100-page daily minimum is only slowly putting a dent in this stack. Daphnis 16:42, 20 September 2007 (EDT)

Excellent! I'm in no great hurry to get these scores, but I'm glad to learn that they're in your collection and that you will eventually be uploading them. Keep up the great work! -Pierrot

Orchestral score to Rugby posted. Daphnis 23:57, 23 September 2007 (EDT)
Le Dit des Jeux du Monde: Daphnis 22:25, 30 September 2007 (EDT)
Horace Victorieux: Daphnis 20:32, 3 October 2007 (EDT)

Satie...Some piano works...

Hello, Daphnis! Can you upload Satie's Danses Gothiques', "Angora Ox (piano version)" and "Uspud (piano version)"? If you can, thank YOU very much!

Daphnis 11:09, 23 September 2007 (EDT)


Hello Daphnis! Can you upload Musique d'ameublement and Socrate? And if you can please upload Cinq Grimaces pour 'Le Songe...' or Danse... Thaks for all... from Anysome.

Quoted from above: "Socrate will be posted eventually, but probably no time soon. I have a huge stack of things backing up on my scanner that must be finished first."

Daphnis 11:01, 24 September 2007 (EDT)

Daphnis 22:23, 12 October 2007 (EDT)


CD Sheet Music
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Please DO NOT add CD Sheet Music as a scanner or publisher, as you did with Menuet sur le Nom d'Haydn (Ravel, Maurice) and some many others.
"CD Sheet Music" is a trademarked company. This has been brought up before, see this forum topic. --Funper talk 06:05, 7 October 2007 (EDT)
Excuse me, but this is no different than specifying Dover as a reprinter. The file I labeled as being reprinted by CD Sheet Music had none of their logos present on it, therefore they have no claim to copyright on it. As you might have seen, uploading files reprinted by the CD Sheet Music sets is totally legal so long as their logo is removed, which as I said was certainly the case here. Daphnis 09:02, 7 October 2007 (EDT)
Don't excuse yourself. We do not mention the name of commercial scanners because of copyright warnings in their disclaimer. There is nothing "illegal" with mentioning CDSM as a scanner, but there might exist legal loopholes that CDSM could exploit. --Funper talk 12:29, 8 October 2007 (EDT)
There there people... let's not fight, ok? :) The policy of not putting CDSM notices on pages is because CDSM is too similar to IMSLP, and there is the slight possibility of trademark issues. On the other hand, publishers are rather different from IMSLP, so this possibility is none (trademarks have limits depending on usage). But I'm sure you could have worded what you said better, Funper ;) Daphnis' action is not unreasonable after all; just that there is no reason to risk the slight possibility (especially since IMSLP is directly endangering CDSM's business model).
In any case, stop shouting at each other, both of you ;) Nobody's gonna die here... so calm down. --Feldmahler 12:38, 8 October 2007 (EDT)
I am just being direct. Didn't notice that I worded it aggressively. Apologies! --Funper talk 13:19, 8 October 2007 (EDT)

Look, there's no reason for anyone to walk on egg shells here. I was not offended by anyones comments and directed no contempt in either my reply here or on the forum, just that I don't exactly agree with the, in my opinion, unnecessary precautions being taken to safeguard IMSLP from legal action. I do understand them and know it's a "better safe than sorry" scenario, so if the official decision here is to uphold this logic and discourage the mention of at least e-reprinters, then I will comply, of course. Daphnis 13:54, 8 October 2007 (EDT)