User talk:Jsnfmn


Leigh Vaughan Henry

Hello Jsnfmn, Thanks for the interesting uploads from the 1921 Goodwin & Tabb periodical. The question I have for you is: what exactly is the nature of Leigh Vaughan Henry's contribution to these? Henry, whose dates I've discovered are 1889-1958, would still be protected in Canada (where IMSLP is hosted). I am not familiar with this publication in any detail, so whatever knowledge you have about it would be helpful in making a determination about its copyright status in Canada. Thanks, Carolus 17:41, 3 August 2008 (EDT)

I'm not sure if this is the place to answer this, but he was the editor of the magazine, though he probably did not edit the music in any way as most of the pieces appear to be manuscripts from the composers themselves. I was not sure if this information was of use to anyone so I included it in the only place that seemed logical. If this might pose a problem for some reason, it could easily be left out of the edited by field and perhaps added to the publisher information?

Yes, this is the place to answer. Thanks, we'll remove the reference to him, unless you wish to make a mention of his editing the periodical in the Misc. section. I'm one of the admins here, so I don't put any info on my own page (though the talk page is quite extensive). Thanks, BTW, for all of your very nice scans. Thanks to your kind upload, we now discover that the Roussel fanfare is PD in the USA in its initial version, which will no doubt make a number of the brass players here quite happy. Carolus 18:00, 3 August 2008 (EDT)

Saint-Saens scans

Hi. Thanks for your nice scans of the Saint-Saens scores you posted. This really takes a lot off my shoulders as I am going to try and complete his catalogue at some point in the future. You scans are nice and clear and we appreciate this very much! What setup are you using, if I may ask? Thanks again and keep them coming! Daphnis 11:45, 29 August 2008 (EDT)

Hi Daphnis, thanks for the kind words. I'm currently using the cheap and huge Mustek A3 for most of my scans. I had been looking for quite a while for some software that would be able to tame the scanner's eccentricities, and I think I found it. Previously I was scanning into Photoshop and manually rotating each page and saving. This was incredibly tedious and you can only scan so much before you begin to run out of memory and have to save everything individually. So recently I began trying the latest version ABBYY Finereader, and though it is primarily meant for OCR, it has been doing a wonderful job. I used to have all sorts of problems getting the Twain interface to the scanner to show up in Photoshop, I would have to repeatedly request the scan about a dozen times before it would actually work, but somehow Finereader forces it to show up almost every time. It also does a decent job of automatically rotating the pages, though if it doesn't do it correctly, you can't really adjust it in the program, it will only rotate by 90 degree increments. It has a rudimentary eraser for getting rid of spots and shadows and you can export to high quality pdf without having to save each individual page, which has saved me a ridiculous amount of time. That's all I'm using for now, I have been thinking about buying this scanner for scanning thick scores where the staves are too close to the binding to be able to scan them well with a flat bed, the only reasonable one I've found though does not have a very large surface.

Well, I have this same scanner and the TWAIN interface is horrible, but since it does the basics, i.e. scanning with a set crop area, adjustable thresholds, and single file output, it's perfect. I actually use IrfanView to invoke the interface. This is a small and simple photo editing tool (free) and allows me to work quickly. As for the rotation, I have been using Photoshop by setting custom droplets that allow me to rotate in increments of 0.5 degrees, so I'll have a set for 300dpi both clock and counter, and a set for 600dpi same story. Gimp is also good because you don't have to use a software dither upon reconversion back to 1-bit, but it's also much much slower to rotate and save the file, and with the number of scans I'm dealing with, I need speed. From there I load the files up in Acrobat pro to compile. That Mustek scanner is actually pretty good as far as optical resolution is concerned, but it's much slower also. Are you planning on doing more Saint-Saens scores? I think by now I've just about completed his piano works catalogue and a couple other small things. I need to finish some of my other French composers before I decide which one I'll tackle next. Daphnis 13:22, 29 August 2008 (EDT)

I do have scores of the 1st and 3rd Violin Concertos, which I was planning on doing next, possible the unnumbered symphonies as well. I think that would be the extent of my Saint-Saens scanning for now. The Mustek scanner is great generally, but as I said I was having serious problems getting the interface to it to load, Gimp was especially giving me problems even though it is my preferred program, it would shut down the scanner after each scan and then I would have to try to bring up the interface again a dozen times before I could do another one. At least photoshop didn't close the interface down. I'll have to try IrfanView to see how that works with it. Speed will be especially important as I start graduate school while continuing to work full time. Also, since you seem quite familiar with a wide swath of French music, if you ever come across any pieces that utilize Saxhorns, I would really appreciate it if you could let me know. I think I have found most of the standard rep that has parts from them, finding the rest is going to be an ordeal so whatever help I can get would be great.

Hi again. I'm just checking back with you to see if there might be any more Saint-Saëns scores on the horizon, especially since I noticed our esteemed Carolus has just uploaded the full score to Samson et Dalila completing that opera (vocal score also present). Right now I'm completing my Fauré and Schmitt projects, which shouldn't take too much longer since most scores are here, then followed by a "hiatus" of sorts while I complete the Mahler symphonies in the critical edition. After this I'm going to finish the Saint-Saëns works, which will be a pretty large undertaking, which is why I'm trying to drum-up some support with those that have the capabilities and interest, someone such as yourself. So any more help you can lend in this area would be most appreciated since you know what you're doing with scanning and seem to enjoy his works. I've kept my eyes open for saxhorns and haven't come across them in any scores as of yet. Best wishes in the new year, Daphnis 20:26, 27 December 2008 (EST)

BTW, have you managed to iron-out your work-flow with your A3 scanner? Did IrfanView prove any better a solution? Do you have the standard "old" A3 USB or the newer 1200 A3? Daphnis 20:28, 27 December 2008 (EST)

Hi Daphnis, so, I've just uploaded two Saint-Saëns scores, full score to the 1st and 3rd Violin Concertos. I would certainly be interested in doing what I can to help out a Saint-Saëns project. As I am more interested in orchestral scores, I can see what I can dig up that is available to me and get back to you on this. And thanks for keeping an eye out for saxhorns, I appreciate it. --Jsnfmn 21:37, 30 December 2008 (EST)

Hi again. Yes, those 2 full scores are great additions, and they look fine. As for full scores, I suppose I would start with the items on the Saint-Saëns wishlist...maybe the 3rd symphony and/or organ symphony, then go with what's left. In any case, there is quite a lot still to do, so whatever you can knock-out would be a tremendous help, especially considering I'm taking a break after completing my Florent Schmitt project, 7,026 pages later.... Daphnis 21:48, 30 December 2008 (EST)

Great scans. Glad to finally see the March you posted in full score. Thanks to you and Carolus' submission of Samson, there's quite a bit of headway being made in Saint-Saëns category. Do you know if you'll do the 3rd symphony ('Organ') yet? Daphnis 11:04, 11 January 2009 (EST)

I might hold off on the Symphony for now, as it is so easily available both in libraries and for purchase cheaply, and focus on some of the obscure stuff, I've got a few now that I'm finishing up, and will maybe attempt one of the operas in a bit. Once school starts up again though I may not get much done again until this summer.--Jsnfmn 11:12, 11 January 2009 (EST)

I understand. Once I finish with these 2 small(er) pending projects I'll be able to devote myself entirely to completing the Saint-Saëns catalog. I'll also check with Goldberg988 as he is working on the opera vocal scores to see how much he has pending. Daphnis 11:18, 11 January 2009 (EST)

If he's doing vocal scores, there shouldn't be an overlap as I'd be working on full scores...--Jsnfmn 11:22, 11 January 2009 (EST)

Ah, ok. I dropped him a line to see how he's doing in that area. Daphnis 11:28, 11 January 2009 (EST)

Hi. Which Saint-Saëns orchestral scores are you working on or plan working on in the near future? I want to make sure I don't cover something that's already in-progress. Thanks. Daphnis 16:23, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

Hi Daphnis, so I won't be doing much now until school gets out at the end of April, but at that point I will probably start doing the full orchestral scores of some operas, perhaps Les Barbares first.--Jsnfmn 16:54, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

Ok, thanks for telling me. For now, until I start full-in on the Saint-Saëns project, I'm going to add all those scores remaining on the wishlist first. Daphnis 16:59, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

I'll also take care of the Oratorio de Noel orchestral score while I'm at it.--Jsnfmn 15:40, 17 March 2009 (EDT)

Alright then. Daphnis 15:48, 17 March 2009 (EDT)

The Oratorio looks good. Thanks. Daphnis 10:49, 23 March 2009 (EDT)

Nice looking full score to Les barbares. It's pretty difficult to find in good shape. Thanks for that. Not that it's your "bag," but I'm completing the missing Saint-Saëns opera/dramatic vocal scores in the coming weeks, so any other full opera scores you may up your sleeve would be most welcome :) Daphnis 00:43, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

I think Henry VIII would probably be next, but I am thinking of doing D'Indy's Fervaal first, especially as it looks like it is getting a concert performance by the American Symphony this coming season. Besides those two, I'll have to check on what full scores are in decent shape around here, though my immediate recollection is that almost all of the Saint-Saens operas that I checked were quite good.--Jsnfmn 00:50, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I read that too about the American Symphony--that would be a nice addition. Funny that I also ran across an archived news story from the NY Times about the presumably American premier of Henry VIII. I'd like to get a recording of the full opera if any exist...? Daphnis 00:55, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Outstanding scan of the full score of Henry VIII! Quite a rarity. A most interesting contribution. Carolus 01:02, 31 January 2010 (UTC)


Hi Jsnfmn, Thanks for all of the interesting Holbrooke titles. H.W. Gray was merely Novello's USA agent (they were for a very long time, apparently), not a co-publisher. It's not necessary to list them in the publisher field. Most of the larger publishers had agents in several different countries - Ricordi being an especially good example. Holbrooke seems to have another person listed as the actual claimant in the copyright notice on several things, so I suspect several of his publications were actually funded by a benefactor rather than actually issued by Novello as a part of their regular offerings. Not surprising given his taste for using exotic instrumentation. Carolus 17:31, 1 February 2009 (EST)

Thanks for the info Carolus, I'll keep that in mind in further uploads. For the most part, I was following what information was given both in the score and the records kept by the library it was obtained from. Interestingly, on his copyright, if you look at this article: JOE HOLBROOKE - BRITISH COMPOSER by Rob Barnett about 2/3 of the way down the page, it mentions that Holbrooke attempted to purchase back most of his copyrights, and if you look at the parts I uploaded for the Pickwick Club, you'll see the copyright notice crossed out. I wonder if that is a result of his buyback? Unfortunately, the other result of this seems to be that it is nearly impossible to purchase any of his scores which is a shame, and probably contributes to the lack of performances. Anways, thanks for the info.

Paderewski symphony

Wow, this is a great contribution! I've been curious about this symphony for some time now and it's fantastic to now have the score. Mille grazie! Daphnis 09:04, 6 February 2009 (EST)

Yeah no kidding, as soon as I found out that it needed 3 contrabass sarrusophones, I knew I had to find it somewhere. Though amazingly they only really play two 'different' chords in the entire piece, I don't think the effect he gets out of them could have been achieved any other way though.--Jsnfmn 09:21, 6 February 2009 (EST)

So then basically like brass-and-reed timpani. Did you expect anything else? :) Daphnis 09:48, 6 February 2009 (EST)

Symphony orchestra with saxophones

I've been working on a list on works for symphony orchestra with saxophones. It is very incomplete, but if you are interested you can download it:

It is in finnish :) Käkki 13:05, 16 February 2009 (EST)

This is very interesting, thank you. You might want to check my user page, as there are a few scores that I have submitted to IMSLP with saxophones that I didn't see on your list, especially in the Holbrooke scores I've been uploading, but also the strange Kastner pieces/books. I've also got the full score to Massenet's Herodiade and Krenek's Jonny Spielt Auf and can let you know what the scoring for sax tomorrow if you're interested (I believe for Herodiade it was just one Alto in Eb) as I notice the space is empty for the scoring of those pieces. --Jsnfmn 16:42, 16 February 2009 (EST)

Thank you, I would appreciate that! --Käkki 01:15, 17 February 2009 (EST)

So, for Krenek the Saxophones are present only in the offstage jazz band music. They are at first in Bb and Eb, in that score order, so possibly a soprano and alto? Later they are both in Eb, both altos I would assume. Only their keys are given. For Herodiade, the saxophones are part of the orchestra proper, and they are an Alto in Eb and a tenor in Bb.--Jsnfmn 17:00, 17 February 2009 (EST)

Thanks! I'm working on the list of compositions for saxophone and I included a section for saxophone in a symphony orchestra, I'll start adding.. =) --Käkki 00:29, 18 February 2009 (EST)

Saint-Saëns Symphonies

Just a quick thanks for the Saint-Saëns symphonies - lovely scans, too. You should see them as a featured score about two weeks from now.-- Snailey Yell at me Email me 10:25, 2 March 2009 (EST)

Frank Bridge

Thanks for your contribution of The Sea. Glad to see another Bridge (and Saint-Saëns) enthusiast on here! If you have any other Bridge scores, I look forward to seeing them!


I must say I'm enjoying your Holbrooke uploads. I'm glad we have a voice for the timid members of the compositional choir. I wonder if you're planning on turning this project into a complete works sort-of deal? I only wish there were more recordings of his works available. Daphnis 19:23, 30 May 2009 (EDT)

More recordings would definitely be nice, especially considering the quality of some of what is available. I think it is going to be slim pickings from here on out. I've scanned most of what I have immediately available, and my school's libraries ILL is a little frustrating in that for most of the good stuff I have to pay fines to get it. Most of the most recent stuff is from Sibley, and they have a few more that will hopefully be scanned as well. I doubt if a complete works would be possible due to the difficulty in finding any scores at all, let alone his entire voluminous output. The Fleischer in Philadelphia is probably has the best Holbrooke holdings that I have been able to find (including some complete sets of parts apparently) though I'm not quite sure how to approach them about this, I probably wouldn't even mind spending an entire day down there making copies!--Jsnfmn 21:13, 30 May 2009 (EDT)


First, I wanted to thank you for the great full scores of Massenet you have posted -- those are not easy to come by! Do you by chance have access to an orchestral score of Esclarmonde? I'm planning on arranging a scene for chamber ensemble and would really be helped by being able to see the full score. Otherwise, keep 'em coming -- La Terre Promise was particularly cool to see. Massenetique 12:19, 17 June 2009 (EDT)

I do have access to one, but it is a huge score (621 pages), and I have a few other things I'd like to do first, so it might be some time before it comes up. If you let me know which scene you are doing I could try to do that Act first when I get to it though, maybe that would be helpful?
Yeah, I realize it's huge -- I have access to one but not outside of the UC Berkeley library and its just too big to photocopy and they're incredibly protective. I'm arranging Act 2, Scene 1-- if you get a chance, that'd be awesome but I understand its a big project.Massenetique 00:37, 19 June 2009 (EDT)

If I can jump in here for a second. Massenetique, since I see you've posted here, I left you a message on your talk page a while back regarding the upload progress of those Massenet songs. I'd like to know if I should keep them on my list or if you plan on continuing with them. Thanks. And of course I also applaud you, Jsnfmn, for your work on Massenet! This is making our collection quite impressive indeed. Daphnis 12:46, 17 June 2009 (EDT)


What a wonderful scan and a great addition ! Thank you very much for your effort and for making available this shamefully forgotten work.--Matthieu 17:33, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, hopefully some audio will be released from the American Symphony Orchestra performance Daphnis and I were talking about above, there's some fascinating orchestral writing in this that I would love to get a recording of.


Khovanshchina=thank you!!-- Snailey (_@/) Talk to Me Email me 03:13, 11 April 2010 (UTC)


Hello Jsnfmn, could you please tell me the correct international abbreviation for that instrument? That would be very kind. I've found several ones - but just several.... Kind regards --Ralph Theo Misch 14:09, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Hi Ralph, I've seen Flu. and Flg. both used, but the Italian Bugle is also frequently used when a Flugelhorn is specified, Stravinsky's Threni being a famous example and in this score he spells out Bugle every time it appears. Tippet's 3rd Symphony also has a short Flugelhorn solo, and he abbreviates it to Flügel using the German, no umlaut is fine in English. Don't know if this is helpful or not.--Jsnfmn 15:54, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
Oh yes, it's helpful - many, many thank's!! I've made an arrangement of César Franck's Psalm 150 for wind band and choir (originally for symphony orch.) and would like to edit it. All the best! --Ralph Theo Misch 17:51, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Spohr 9

ahh, I was going to get that from Google/Hathitrust (once I worked out how to use Hathihelper) but you scanned in a copy from somewhere else first - thanks :)

Brian The Tigers VS

Jason, have you managed to get your hands on this? If not, I'll do so myself. I want to make sure I'm not about to duplicate someone else's work, though. Daphnis 03:04, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

I do have this, at the time I was too unsure about its copyright status to UL and forgot to ask about it. I'll get it up today.--Jsnfmn 12:07, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
Great news. Thanks, Daphnis 14:21, 20 September 2011 (UTC)