User talk:Pierre.chepelov

Archive 2006-2011

Du und I 1869 reference

found using Google Books - here (only visible in the US). The citation, for library research, is Valentin Pogatschnigg (1869), Deutsche volks-lieder aus Karnten, gesammelt von Valentin Pogatschnigg und Em. Hermann. Graz: J. Pock, pp. 51–52. Eric 01:04, 13 January 2012 (UTC) (or in Kärtnen in other editions.)

Thanks. It is fully visible for me (though not in the US); I saw the book yesterday, but not the poem. I didn't see "Karnten" in the book, the correct spelling is indeed "Kärnten" (Carinthia), isn't it?.

I read "Griffen"(which is in Carinthia), not "Grissen" (names in the corner seems to be all places in Carinthia).

Abt's text is not Pogatschnigg's; although it has a common source, it is obvious that Abt didn't take the text from Pogatschnigg's anthology. I think this proves that the text is a pure Volkslied. − Pierre Ch. 08:19, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

5 Vierstimmige Männergesänge, Op.533 (Abt, Franz)

I realized this at the time, and was unsure what to do with mixed texts, so I opted to use both. I will ask Davydov his advice. I don't know if the generic "choruses" would be preferable under the circumstances. I do feel, though, that "secular" isn't really appropriate given that one movement. Steltz 11:15, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

I think it depends on the text, too - I gather the title is Ave Maria but is the text at all related even in spirit (leave alone literally)? It may simply be 19th century poetry using the same title. Hrm. In one other example I find (Oscar Weil's opus 11 no.5 , uploading right this moment) the text - hrm - I'd have to compare when more awake (yes, I know it's 11:30 am where I am) but looks like it might be more or less the Hail Mary in English, condensed... Eric 16:29, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

LoC generally, Abt specifically

Because of the odd (beyond odd) way the LoC memory project catalogues things, sometimes the fact that a work is by Abt can only be proven by looking at the work, not searching for Abt :( ... - one has to search on some other search term, like the arranger's, author's, etc. name (which is how I found a few pieces there- first I found Oscar Weil's ballade by searching for Ballades, ok, that's listed under Weil too, no problem, but there's another piece (Bovy-Lysberg's minuet in G minor) which is listed by LoC only under Weil- the arranger for 2 players of what I gather was a solo piano work - not under Lysberg or Bovy-Lysberg, would seem. So finding some English translations for some of the titles and incipits of the other Abt songs whose names aren't often used, or looking under the work of translators' names (or arrangers for other media, like the Viereck adaptation of Agathe) etc., may help too, to find works that we're not finding by the direct route or in other places...- don't know. Just thinking aloud, I guess. Thanks again. Hope my list is or will be of some help. Eric 16:24, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Offertory (Abt, Franz)

Salut Pierre, je ne sais pas si c'est un arrangement. Je ne peux pas le trouver dans la liste des compositions. Cordialement, --Ralph Theo Misch 00:13, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Ich weiß nicht! Ich wäre nicht überrascht, wäre dieses Stück eine Bearbeitung eines Liedes ... Hab ich es doch nicht in meinem kleinen Abt-Themenkatalog gefunden. Grüße − Pierre Ch. 14:01, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

The Abt worklist is still incomplete (sorry for ... ...) - and RISM and other sources do not seem to help yet- I believe. Maybe one will find out though. Maybe one needs a worklist with incipits... Eric 04:13, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Definitely! Such a feature would indeed be a great improvement for IMSLP. But it needs some further discussion, I think... − Pierre Ch. 08:30, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

The MGG article is unfortunately not a big help...--Ralph Theo Misch 00:19, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Les Maîtres...

Salut Pierre, merci pour la correction! Cordialement --Ralph Theo Misch 18:00, 26 March 2012 (EDT)

 ;-)