User talk:Schissel/archive9



Congratulations. I think you've just uploaded the earliest Schott publication we have. Plate 12 - that has to be the first year they were issuing things under that name. Carolus 05:59, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Marcello: Oboe Concerto in D minor

When you're uploading stuff to the US server next, go ahead and add the items on this page which are tagged USA only. The edition Alexander uploaded is unlikely to be free in either Canada or the EU as the editor added quite a bit of new, apparently original, ornamentation and the like. Thanks, Carolus 06:06, 22 April 2011 (UTC) Thanks! I'm shutting down here - tornadoes on the way! Carolus 00:59, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Gustav Strube's Gethsemane

Hi Eric! Thanks for the link and the offer which I gladly accept. A most appropriate work for this time of year. I've just downloaded it and will hopefully get it posted later tonight. Thanks again! --Cypressdome 14:29, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Whatever scores you'd like me to process and post go ahead and place them on my talk page. I've had to postpone any work on the many LOC scores I want to post thanks to this pinched nerve that is sill bothering me and making my right hand hurt after too much mouse and keyboard use. Fortunately, I'm able to batch process most scores from HathiTrust, Google Books, and with a minimum amount of manual cleaning so they're not too bothersome to my hand. Thanks! --Cypressdome 21:31, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

RE: SBB (redux:)))

Hi Eric, I found that the Pdf files have the best resolution. When I downloaded my first Pdf from there, the result didn't look like a Pdf file. Then I renamed it by using the extension '.pdf' - et voilà! Afterwards I choose pages by using PDF Split and Merge. Or I copy the pictures per right click to insert them into a manipulation programm (photoshop or GIMP etc.). Cheers! --Ralph Theo Misch 16:03, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

G.A. Schneider


Was just amazed when I noticed your recent upload and that op.83 and op.87 (the flute and oboe concerti, respectively) have identical orchestral parts. No hint of that in the Stabi catalog or the Philadelphia free library. I did then a little google search, found something interesting on the "Ostermeyer" Horn-Verlag page, "Kombinationskonzerte": Were you aware of this? - I don't know if you can read the german text. So these concerti were planned for 5 different solo instruments, and Stabi has those all in complete sets - not all digital yet. In the image catalogs I found the concerto in F major as op. 83 (flute), op.84 (clarinet), op.85 (bassoon), op.86 (horn) and op.87 (oboe). No hint in the catalog cards that these are in anyway related, but with op. 83 and op.87 available as digitized versions, it seems obvious. Some interesting problem for the standard categorization on imslp... There may be something similar in the double concerti - I could have a look at the originals next week - and for the second oboe concerto the "next-door" opus numbers are missing among the Stabi holdings.

As an add-on, have a look at the instructions Generoso gave me in the imslp-Forums, how he converts the Stabi scans. --Kalliwoda 13:58, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

I had a look at the bassethorn concerto op. 90 on imslp, quite distinct solo part (which prompted my immediate response) with the same orchestral parts set as opp.83-87. The 2. Oboe concerto op. 102 and the 2. Bassethorn concerto op. 105 seem to be similarly related (both in the Stabi catalog with an identical Simrock Plate No. 1665). May have to look up the reference (Andreas Meyer-Hanno) given on the Ostermeyer site. ----Kalliwoda 15:31, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Nápravník and interesting Hathi Trust links

Hi Eric! That Nápravník piece was on my loooong list of items to convert. I just finished paging through all 27,000+ items on that originated from the Boston Public Library. Out of all those items I found only about 95 music scores. Those jpg2000 files can be a beast to the best of computers. By the way, I wonder if Hathi Trust is immune to DMCA take downs: Evidence 1 and Evidence 2. I guess their copyright reviewers should take lessons from those at IMSLP. --Cypressdome 02:32, 26 April 2011 (UTC)


Hi. I think it's okay to delete my composer page, as I won't be uploading any works in the near future. --Notnd 07:03, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Børresen String Quartet op.20

Eric, as best as I can tell it looks like those pages/images that combined both black and white and gray scale scans within the same image are the ones affected. All you see on those images are the black and white portion - apparently, even if it's just a couple of pixels. Pages that are either entirely gray scale or entirely black and white are ok. From page 39 onwards everything is there (they're all gray scale). It's too bad Google creates images like that as they can be troublesome to convert properly to true black and white (sometimes involving setting different threshold levels for each stave). If you wouldn't mind contacting Hathi Trust that would be great. I'll gladly process the score if they are able to correct it. Thanks! --Cypressdome 02:59, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

C. Schumann quartets

Hi Eric. You think not Camillo (b.1872, brother of Georg Alfred)? He's listed in Cobbett's Supplement as the composer of "Quartets for moderate players (Vieweg)", which might be overstating the difficulty of these! Best, Steve

Changes to Hamlin Sonatas

Hey I noticed your change to my Piano Sonata No.10 in E minor Op.29 No.1 page. Thank you for the change but the format was completely wrong for how I am organizing my collection. The Title of that page should be Piano Sonata No.10 in E minor Op.29 No.1 if you can make that change that'd be great since i cannot seem to get it fixed back to that. Avianne 18:54, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for fixing that as much as you did, I am still going to attempt to move the page to one labeled how I wanted it. I know the sites style may be different but how I have been entering these pieces is how I myself as the composer prefer them to be labeled. The Title of the pieces themselves includes the keys which is why I was listing the key. Avianne 01:16, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

(I'm not Schissel, but) Sorry, but there's not much choice in the matter. The site's style guide applies to all works here regardless of whether the person who wrote the work wishes it to appear somewhat differently. You have control over the work itself (i.e., the PDF file), but virtually everything else is controlled by the site's community (this is legally true, as all text on the site is licensed under the GNU Free Documentation License version 1.2). If the key of a work is not necessary to identify it, then it will not be included in the page's title. If you wish to argue this policy, then feel free to bring it up on the forums, but please note that that will apply to all works here with no exceptions. This is a library, and we need to maintain as much of a uniform organization as possible. Thanks, KGill talk email 14:23, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Pater Noster (Milita, Francesco)

Hi Eric. I'm just wondering why exactly you removed the specific choral tag here and replaced it with simply 'fch'? There are actually no tags for specific choirs prefixed by 'fch' or 'mch' (or 'cch', for that matter) - all of them start with 'ch'. That particular tag has not yet been registered with MW:G, but it will be as soon as I get around to it. :-) Thanks, KGill talk email 00:04, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Two observations, firstly, on derivatives of the generic ‘ch’, such as ‘fch’ (female) ‘mch’ (male) ‘cch’ (children): these should only be used when the composer explicitly specifies “female voices” (or male, or children’s). The voicing is immaterial: a piece marked 2sop 2alt could be sung by children of either sex, or by an adult choir constituted wholly of females, or of men (presumably falsettists, and/or applying a transposition). I think to avoid having too many tags it would be simpler – if this is indeed a piece intended for female voices, to have the fch tag separate of another ch tag, the latter of which indicates the specific voicing.
Second, the mezzo-soprano and baritione voice types, while common in vocal solo writing before the 20th century, are still to this day non-standard voice types in choral writing: the four standard voice designations in any mixed-voice choir are sop, alt, ten and bass, and if a piece requires mez or bar, they will usually be carved out from the low sopranos/high basses (and less frequently, high altos/low tenors). Again, I am of the opinion these tags should only be used for chorus tags when the composer has explicitly specified the voice type: e.g. if we get access to Poulenc’s Figure humaine in 2014, it would unambiguously qualify for a tag of 2ch 2sop 2mez 2alt 2ten 2bar 2bass.
Cheers, Philip @ © talk 00:33, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
I really should look at the score itself, but the composer's description was "ssmezmezaa choir" (2 soprano 2 mezzo 2 alto choir ) which I did indeed misunderstand as female choir, but the mezzo part I got :) - E
Definitely look at the score to confirm fch or not fch. Generically that voicing designation would lend itself to a feminine interpretation, but the male alto is not an uncommon phenomenon in numerous choirs (e.g. yours truly – I also sing tenor); likewise some large choirs have one or two female tenors in the vocal mix. Male sopranos and female basses are much less common, but I have encountered real-life examples of both. Even if a composer has explicitly indicated “Chorus of female voices” such as Holst does in the final movement of The Planets, its not uncommon for there to be subversive performance exigencies: as the choir is hidden off-stage, similarly a few boy trebles or male altos can be concealed in the mostly female sound (and yes, it’s a piece I have sung in concert – the alto of choir I, which is tolling out the flat sixth at the end). Philip @ © talk 00:49, 2 May 2011 (UTC)


I see you have uploaded a new Kalkbrenner score (op.178) saying that it was made available by the Bavarian State Library. I'm curious to know how did you make the download, since the score seems not to be listed in the FEED service of that library, regarding the new scans recently made. The curiosity comes out from the fact that I've indeed bought those scans, along with many others by Kalkbrenner, Czerny and so on, from the Berlin State Library, after having paid a non indifferent sum (0.40 euro per page, averagely). I knew that the scores ordered at SBB were sent to the original requestor and then made available publicy thru their site, but I was not so sure that also all the scores requested to other german libraries were managed in that way. Is SBB a sort of catalyzing site for all the other german libraries, as far as digitized scores ?

I didn't send to IMSLP the scores ordered by me just because I wanted to avoid any attack from their part, but if my supposition is true I don't see any reason why I should be so cautious about ....

from User EFerreri, 2 May 2011

Eric, hope you are well. I am having issues with my latest upload. (...from the adventures of Gil Blas) Audio files 1 and 3 on this page have dropouts which do not occur in the mp3s, and which persist even though I have replaced the files. It could be that the files have some hidden glitch which shows up through web transmission, or where they wrote to the server is a spot with an intermittent flow? I do not know, really. If it persists I can re-mp3 the file from the original wavs, please advise-- this may be a tricky one. All best! User:EFerreri

Thank you for your input. I am not sure what would cause this problem. Feel free to delete the page, and I will re-upload. I do have these file (without incident) on I am most interested on getting them on your site, as your site has better traffic. I love imslp! Do you know it got me performed in Poland? How can you beat a site like that? You people are angels for the work you do, and the concept you have executed! Just let me know what to do.Thanks. User:EFerreri

Thanks much. I have no idea what a "mime type" is, sorry for the extra work. However on the last playing, off the internet, it still is intermittent(dropouts). What I will do is check tomorrow, to see if the files play properly. Because both files that I uploaded have no dropouts (except when played back from your site, the mp3s do not do that from the archive site, or played from my computer) it makes me wonder if a sector on the server you have reserved for these files might be the cause. Let's see what happens tomorrow. All best!User:EFerreri

Hello, Eric. On my ...from the Adventures of Gil Blas page, audio files 1 and 3 still have dropouts, always at the same spots (though a laptop with Google Chrome played them back just fine). I am hoping that I might try to re-create the page with re-sampled mp3s. What do you think? User:EFerreri (May 3)

Hello Eric. I reloaded new versions of the files. They do play from the file edit page properly. From the work page (that is: "...the Adventures of Gil Blas" page) they playback with dropouts on files 1 and 3. These were reloaded moments ago, I will check them tomorrow to see if there is a change. If it persists it points to a faulty work-page, since the file plays back from the file-edit page. Why there is a "malicious code" warning on the files I cannot say. [Your article on MIME types is not the kind of thing I can actually understand.] These mp3s were created the same as every other mp3 I have placed on your site: taking an original WAV file and converting it to mp3 in WaveLab 4.0. I hope I am not bothering you at this point. Will check it tomorrow, thanks for your patience. EFerreri (May 4)

Wishlists and the new guidelines

Hi Eric,

in case you weren’t aware, the wishlist guidelines have been updated recently in light of discussions over at the forums, and comments of the slightly rambling kind you left behind for the Lachner Nonet, regarding its publication/copyright status, are now deprecated. The question of copyright can be safely left to the CR team if and when a work is uploaded; publication info is only useful when it establishes that a work cannot be hosted by IMSLP.
I am also uncertain whether comments citing that a work is held in the collection of certain prominent libraries like the BSB or NYPL actually promotes IMSLP contributors to prioritise their borrowing/scanning choices. Comments of this nature aren’t exactly discouraged, but they don’t help to keep the page as short as possible.
In short, the main problem with the wishlist pages is uncontrolled sprawl, and the new changes to the guidelines have the aim of eliminating the worst excesses even at the cost of some harsh pruning. If you would like to engage in the forum discussion it is probably not too late to bring it up again, if you would like there to be some revisions to the revised guidelines.
Cheers, Philip @ © talk 01:57, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Question for you

@ Talk:Quintet for Piano, Strings and Horn, Op.48 (Draeseke, Felix)

More G.A. Schneider

In the last few days some more "combination concertos" bei G.A.Schneider have been made available by SBB. I just uploaded op.88, a sinfonia concertante for flute and oboe with the same set of orchestral parts as the entire set of op.83-90. I have updated my notes after reading the relevant pages of the Schneider biography at SBB yesterday.
The parts are converted to 600 dpi monochrome and cleaned, including some manual cleaning. Maybe best, if links to these orchestral parts are inserted on the other workpages as well rather than converting and cleaning parts from each original set - I may do that later this weekend.
Regarding the processing of the SBB files: Your uploads are not stricly b/w, but greyscale, and you reduce resolution to something like 75dpi, if you reduce the 4500 pixel original to 800 pixels. This is definitely only a low resolution scan! And they are, at least in my opinion, pretty useless as performance material, because they are so blurry.
Since you spend much time already splitting the files and rotating them, I would hope you would at least investigate the following: I use an old Photoshop 7, but I am sure other image processing programs have corresponding options which you only have to find... I open a single page pdf in Photoshop, convert to greyscale, double resolution to 800 dpi (this gives smoother lines after deskew and resizing), deskew and crop, then resize to A4 (or letter) at 600 dpi. Then I select a splitpoint for b/w (try 160), filter "dust and scratches" with a 2 point setting and convert to bitmap b/w (monochrome), then print to pdf. Not much extra work from the deskewed file! The manual cleaning I do is then purely optional, you may not want to invest the time if there are lots of files on your to-do-list.--Kalliwoda 13:43, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Chesneau ----> Clérice

Hi mon cher ami...Peux-tu me corriger ?... J'ai fait une erreur ...This page [1] has to be put in the Justin Clérice page. Merci d'avance --Squin 16:43, 6 May 2011 (UTC) Quelle rapidité extraordinaire...!! Imslp has his Usain Bolt --Squin 16:57, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Zanella, Fantasy for 6 cellos

Dear Eric, a couple of weeks ago I came into possession of the scan of Zanella's "Fantasia Orientale" for six cellos. It's an unpublished work, existing only in manuscript form. As I know NOTHING about copyright laws and stuff, I'm asking you, as I'd be interested in sharing this piece with as many people as possible...what should I do? Could you please help me? Thanks in advance, Jacopo

DS Smith String Quartet, 1828 Handbuch, etc

Hi Eric, Worldcat appears to be working ok for me. The 1828 Handbuch has finally finished processing on my second pc after about 5 hours. Posting it will have to wait until tomorrow. I couldn't resist downloading the parts to Smith's Quartet since it may be the last score of his we'll see on the internet for some time. However, I kept myself from "stealing" it from you so here it is. Half the files were 600dpi b/w tifs and the other were 300dpi grayscale jpg2000 files that I've converted to b/w tifs and re-sampled to 600dpi. Make any further alterations as you see fit and happy posting! --Cypressdome 04:06, 10 May 2011 (UTC)