User talk:Feldmahler/archive11


Unused files

There seems to be something wrong with Special:Unusedimages. For example, Image:Beethoven, L.v. - Piano Sonata 04.pdf is shown as unused (also on the image page), but in fact it appears to be linked from Piano Sonata No.4 (Beethoven, Ludwig van) (first entry). Should I file a bug report in the forum? --Leonard Vertighel 07:52, 10 August 2007 (EDT)

I'd be very happy if you could do that :) I'll try to fix it with the 1.11 upgrade (when 1.11 comes out). --Feldmahler 12:49, 10 August 2007 (EDT)
P.S. Speaking of forums, if you still get the forum down message when visiting, try :) --Feldmahler 12:52, 10 August 2007 (EDT)

U.S. Server Upload

Hey Feldmahler, I was wondering if the U.S. server upload is working correctly. I went to upload the file of the Dohnanyi Violin concerto, but it does not seem to work. After I hit upload, it acts as if its uploading the file but when it finishes and the screen refreshes the new file does not show up in the directory. I've never seen this happen before, so I don't know what the deal is or if I'm doing something wrong. Anyway, I tried uploading it 3 or 4 times and it did the same thing every time so I'd appreciate it if you could take a look at it. Thanks.Mcroskell 23:25, 11 August 2007 (EDT)

I've just moved the forums (i.e. U.S. server) to another server (hence the downtime), and I think this is happening due to a misconfiguration somewhere. I've pretty much pinpointed the point of failure, but since it is already quite late today I'll fix it tomorrow :) I'll leave a note on your user talk page once this is fixed. Sorry about this! --Feldmahler 01:36, 12 August 2007 (EDT)


Hi boss, I´ve been trying to create a page to upload the famous Counterpoint & Fugue by him but something went wrong and I don´t quiet sure what is. Could you please delete the page I´ve created so I can creat it again. Also, it´s ok to upload books written by the composers? Let´s says, Schumann's collection of music writtings, Liszt's ¨life of chopin¨, and the Berlioz ¨Treatise on Instrumentation¨that I have already uploaded? let me know.. cheers nachoBA

Hi NachoBA! It was just another incidence of the & sign getting in the way... nothing major :) And yes, submission of music books are very much encouraged :) --Feldmahler 11:56, 14 August 2007 (EDT)

Sibelius Copyright

Hey Feldmahler, since Sibelius died in 1957, shouldn't all of his pieces that are up on the site be stored on the US server since they will be copyrighted in Canada until next year? I ask because tonight I was checking to see if a file for the MIT project was already up and noticed that quite a few of his works are downloadable from the Canadian server.Mcroskell 00:53, 15 August 2007 (EDT)

Hi Mcroskell! This has been fixed :) Thanks for reporting! --Feldmahler 11:22, 15 August 2007 (EDT)

"Recording" field in files

Heya Feldhamler! I am writing this note to remind you of the "Recording" field which we said we should add to the File template. The administrator of contacted me a few days ago and told me that he finished linking the recordings of his site to the respective music scores on IMSLP, and he is now waiting for the "recording" field to be put up.

I think we should implement this as soon as possible, to show our gratitude for the amount of work that he did in order to link all the recordings to IMSLP. is a great opportunity to make IMSLP more widely known, as it has more than 500,000 downloads per month, and last June it had 150,000 downloaded sheets (which now means, 150,000 links to IMSLP), and this is why we should maintain the best of relations with the site :) It is going to benefit both sites greatly :D Take care!

~ jujimufu 06:06, 18 August 2007 (EDT)

Hi Jujimufu! Thanks for the reminder :) I've already replied to the Pianosociety admin about this, and am indeed planning to set up the fields soon. Unfortunately I'm traveling around right now, so I won't be able to do this immediately. However, I'll try to do this as soon as possible (the trip is ending soon). --Feldmahler4 00:15, 20 August 2007 (EDT)
Okies, as soon as we've contacted them it's ok :) I hope you are enjoying your trips, I myself just returned from camping at an island here in Greece with two friends of mine from Italy :P Great experience. C ya soon :D Take care! ~ jujimufu 14:23, 20 August 2007 (EDT)

Idea about Publisher Pages

I had an insight on publisher pages and the pieces that have been published by that company and exist in IMSLP.

Instead of writing out the link to the article of the publisher in the "Publisher" field of the "Add File" form, we could create categories for each publisher that has a page here on IMSLP, and then make a template which will add the work page on the category, as well as create the link (before the rest of the information, such as dates, plate nos etc) to the publisher page.

For example, we might create a template called {{Ditson}}, which would add a link to the Ditson page in the "Publisher" field, but it would also add the piece in the category Category:Ditson.

(the code should look like this, I guess:)


I am not saying we shouldn't write out manually the plate numbers, dates and other info individually on each publisher page, but by using the template it would be much easier and faster to find all the IMSLP scores that belong to each publisher, and keep track of them (i.e. add any pieces in the "Plate Numbers" list that haven't been added etc).

What do you think? :P ~ jujimufu 09:06, 22 August 2007 (EDT)

You know, this is a great idea. It may well make manually editing publisher pages obsolete in the future, when the template is advanced enough (it could record all the plate numbers, etc, and spit them out on a special page, though that would take a bit of coding). It may be a good idea to start a thread in the feature request section of the forums, so that I don't somehow forget this :)
Also, I think a basic template (with wiki-code only) can be made right now. I would suggest not making a template for every publisher, but a master template, which takes the publisher name as an argument, with the plate number, date, and etc also as arguments. This way it should be rather easy to implement the automatic publication listing page.
In any case, this is a great idea! --Feldmahler 18:13, 23 August 2007 (EDT)
I'm glad you liked it :) Can't wait to see it in action :D Take care! ~ jujimufu 14:02, 27 August 2007 (EDT)\
P.S. Sorry I haven't been uploading any works lately, but our internet connection at home has problems, and right now I am at an internet cafe. I'll try to get back to finishing letter H of the MIT project as soon as I can. Cheers! ~ jujimufu 14:02, 27 August 2007 (EDT)

Bad Title

Sorry boss, I typed the title wrong so there´s a page that should be deleted. It's 'A New Esthetic of Music (Busoni, Ferruccio)' as the correct one was the other I´ve created. Take care. nachoBA

Done :) --Feldmahler 18:13, 23 August 2007 (EDT)

Leo Ornstein

Hi Feldmahler,

I've got some happy news. Severo Ornstein, the composer's son and copyright owner, has granted permission for all of his father's scores to be available for download at IMSLP. Here's a quote from his e-mail to me in response to my permission request - which was in turn inspired by our wild new poster who has no concept of copyright whatever!

Thanks for your message. I inherited all rights to my fathers music, but I have chosen to give it away. I'm far more interested in having the music played and heard than in trying to make money from it, so I'm taking the "Steal This Book" approach. If you look at you will see what I myself have spent some years doing. I am more than happy to have the music made available anywhere, including of course your site.
If you have further questions or comments I'd be delighted to hear from you
Severo M. Ornstein
Poon Hill
2200 Bear Gulch Road
Woodside, CA 94062
Tel: 650-851-4258

BTW, is there a way I can un-delete the actual PDF image for the Cello Sonata No. 2? I managed to restore the page, but the image itself appears to be gone. Thanks, Carolus 16:22, 23 August 2007 (EDT)

This is great news indeed! I also replied just now on the forums about this :)
Unfortunately, undeleting files is generally not possible :/ However, I assume that you are talking about Ornstein's piece, and thus can be reuploaded?
And while we are on the subject of copyrights, I've replied to Universal Edition, and if you are curious you can find my reply here. :) --Feldmahler 18:13, 23 August 2007 (EDT)

Great letter! I have to say, they really have an awful lot of nerve to think they can simply bully us like that! I'll go ahead and get another copy of the Ornstein Cello Sonata No. 2 from his site. Cheers, Carolus 19:11, 23 August 2007 (EDT)

Gershwin files - floating around somewhere

Hi again,

You probably have way too much to do as it is, but...I thought I'd mention that our recent wild poster uploaded some files to Porgy and Bess (not PD unless it's a musical excerpt only - no words) which don't seem to be on the main server. They aren't in evidence at the list on the US server either, even though that doesn't mean they're not there. P & B is most absolutely not free in the US, as you know. If you happen to find them, kill them. A few more days with that wild poster and I'll have to change my handle around here to "Guido." Regards, Carolus 02:45, 24 August 2007 (EDT)

Thank you for the tip :) I will certainly keep my eye out for it! --Feldmahler 02:49, 24 August 2007 (EDT)

Hi, I managed to find them - they magically appeared after the upgrade. They've been sent into the witness protection program. BTW, the two little pieces by Boris Pasternak were published only in 1975 by Sovietski Kompozitor and are thus under copyright. They're located on the US server so I thought it best to let you elimnate them. Carolus 18:21, 25 August 2007 (EDT)

Hahaha! And yep I'll eliminate those two right away :) --Feldmahler 18:35, 25 August 2007 (EDT)

Problems moving some Gigout's works

Hi boss I´m trying to move some pieces composed by Gigout. Especifically I´m trying to move:

  • Cantilène (des 12 Pièces) (Gigout, Eugène)
  • Scherzo (Gigout, Eugène)
  • Communion (Gigout, Eugène)


  • Douze Pièces pour Orgue (Gigout, Eugène)

As these pieces are part of this collection and I guess they should be all grouped togheter. Unfortunately I wasn´t able to do it using the MOVE function. I don´t know what I´m doing wrong. Thanks in advance nachoBA

The "move" function should probably be better called "rename"; it cannot combine pages or do any other complex operations (it merely changes the page title). To combine the three pages you can simply copy the file entries from the three pages to the one target page, and add a {{Delete}} template to the top of the three pages that needs to be deleted. :) --Feldmahler 15:42, 29 August 2007 (EDT)
Done! There are four pages that should have to be deleted as they were arranged in other pages. I´ve already added the {{Delete}} template. One question, I know it´s interesting to have similar editions of a given work, but if you check the duplications in this case, it´s the same file, the same edition (except for one of the additional versions of the Toccata).

Cheers! nachoBA

Creating/transplanting one composer's work title/page to another

Feldmahler, how would I go about putting a link to Satie's Gymnopedies on Debussy's works page? Since Debussy orchestrated 2 of these Gymnopedies I'd like to link to that Satie work page and if possible skip right to the orchestration. Can you advise? Daphnis 21:29, 28 August 2007 (EDT)

Hmm... this may be done using the LangRedirect template. An example can be found here. To skip to the orchestration, simply link the page like this. :) --Feldmahler 15:42, 29 August 2007 (EDT)
Geez, I'm screwing all this up. Can you do a bit of hand-holding here? Apologies...Daphnis 15:56, 29 August 2007 (EDT)
Hmm... apparently it is impossible to redirect to a page section :/ So there are two choices: either redirect to the page, or simply copy the file entry to the Debussy page (i.e. resubmit the file). In the latter case you'll have to recreate the page (or revert it back to when you first created the page). I'll let you make the call :) --Feldmahler 16:25, 29 August 2007 (EDT)
Ok then, could you simply redirect to the main Gymnopedies page in that case? Daphnis 18:20, 29 August 2007 (EDT)

Many thanks! Two tiny other things: can you make the work page under Debussy reflect the same as it does in Satie, for example: 3 Gymnopédies (Satie, Erik Alfred Leslie), or at least accent over the 'e' and indicate they're Satie's works :)

This one is easy :) You can just move the page using the "Move" tab. However, you will have to leave Debussy in the parenthesis, because the category it is under depends on this. I'd have moved the page myself, but as the saying goes, "give a man a fish, etc. etc." :) --Feldmahler 12:43, 30 August 2007 (EDT)

LoC Music collections call numbers (cont.)

Ok good news finally. I got my hands on the newest edition of the Classification index (1998). The section of interest to us is the M (just music), but over half of those entries are taken up by vocal music, so I ask you--what would you prefer to have? The whole M section or certain sections within the M, namely instrumental? Daphnis 21:41, 29 August 2007 (EDT)

Great! I would do the instrumental first, but I would certainly go for the vocal as well if possible. There aren't as many vocal pieces on IMSLP as of yet, but that should change over time :) --Feldmahler 12:47, 30 August 2007 (EDT)
I've finally scanned the entire M classification--this includes the general index and the specific break-down of all M call numbers, including the whole of the vocal music (~100 pages). Should I just email it to you? Daphnis 00:04, 12 September 2007 (EDT)
Since the Library of Congress is a US government institution, its publications have no copyright. Therefore you can just simply upload it to IMSLP. That way everyone who will be part of the digitalization project will be able to download it too :) --Feldmahler 00:33, 12 September 2007 (EDT)
Where and how should it be uploaded? Daphnis 00:35, 12 September 2007 (EDT)
Just upload it to the wiki, and link to it somewhere (maybe here?)... when the project gets underway I'll link to the file from the project page :) --Feldmahler 00:51, 12 September 2007 (EDT)
Here you go: Daphnis 01:01, 12 September 2007 (EDT)
Thank you! :) I'll put up the digitalization project as soon as I get some free time to look over the classification system... currently busy with software upgrading :) --Feldmahler 01:11, 12 September 2007 (EDT)