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June-July 2006

Layout

I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw how awful the layout has been. No offence, I mean, we are all used to the clean and neat layout of wikipedia but this is just so untidy. The blue color in the background doesn't match the foreground and the navigation menu is all messed up. I'm suggesting the same neat layout we had before. -- Funper 08:19, 7 July 2006 (CDT)

  • I hope this is more acceptable. Of course, you can always change your choice of skin. ----Sphemusator 12:52, 7 July 2006 (CDT)

Pointing out a type that has been in place since the beginning..."Feburary 16, 2006"

Main Picture

I don't like the main picture depicting a harp. It does not give the impression of this site as a music score library, it should be more like sheet music, scores. Not harps. ;) -- 80.191.88.38 18:22, 30 June 2006 (CDT)

  • When I was thinking about the kind of image that might be appropriate I considered using a sheet of music - but whose music, and which piece? I didn't want to suggest that the IMSLP was limited to a particular period, composer or genre. (BTW, it's a lyre rather than a harp). In the end I used the lyre as a classical western symbol for music.

Score counter

The score counter is increasing rather fast ;). Is an automated counter possible? -- Funper 19:56, 9 June 2006 (CDT)

That would need some coding skills that I don't think I have sadly :/ --Feldmahler 22:01, 12 June 2006 (CDT)

More User Friendly

There was a discussion in the forums about the usability of the front page. I'm going to mess around with it a bit. Discuss here if you have any problems with what I do. Horndude77 23:14, 24 June 2006 (CDT)

Oops I spoke too soon. I don't have permission to edit the front page. Here's what I was thinking of adding to the top (blatently stolen from wikipedia, but it looks nice):

Welcome to IMSLP,
the public domain music scores.
115,479 articles
  • Maybe not the best, but something like this at the very top would help greatly. Horndude77 23:40, 24 June 2006 (CDT)
  • I agree that the front page could be more 'welcoming'. I have submitted an image for the IMSLP logo, but unfortunately I don't have access to the stylesheets so cannot make the change myself, and I guess Feldmahler is rather busy about now.--Sphemusator 06:45, 25 June 2006 (CDT)
  • Absolutely better than the pure text where you have to search the links to the browsepages!
I even think the front page and all other pages should not be protected, as wikis are open to the community. It should only be protected if there is too much vandalism that can not be repaired quickly enough.--Peter 14:42, 25 June 2006 (CDT)
  • Hmm... point taken. I'll unprotect the main page. Though, sphemusator has sysop privileges too... so she should be able to do everything I can do to this wiki. You guys can ask her if you need some sysop stuff done, since my internet time is very limited (I had no access to the internet for the last 5 days). Nevertheless I'll try to be here as much as I can. Good thing I'll be back to normal in less than a month. Also, I agree very much that the front page needs some MAJOR reworking. --Feldmahler 23:09, 25 June 2006 (CDT)
  • I think Peter has done a great job adding the "Welcome Mat" to the top of the Main Page. Unfortunately I don't speak PHP which seems to be a prerequisite for much of the WikiMedia architecture, but I have to ask, how difficult would it be to add a similar template to the Special:Articles one for images, to keep a live count of the number of scores on the front page? --Sphemusator 14:49, 29 June 2006 (CDT)
  • Well... the main problem is that I'm not sure the main page can be a special page... unless maybe it is automatically redirected to a real special page? Making the special page is not an especially hard thing, but the main problem is that once there is a special page, it ceases to be world-changable (actually changing it would be a pain even for me), since it becomes a static (code-wise) PHP page. There is an alternative: to define a new macro like the one I used for the catalog numbers for the files on the work pages. The upside is that the main page is still world-changable, but... it will only be *semi-automatically* updated. The counter will only update when the main page is edited, or a special reparse-page command be given to the page (I think anyone can give this command via HTTP, though I need to check on that), because the parsed page is stored in cache and displayed whenever the main page is requested. Another way is to edit the skin pages so that the counter is displayed at the top of every wiki page (like the donation counter during the wikipedia fund drive). --Feldmahler 22:27, 29 June 2006 (CDT)
  • I agree, the main page should not be a special page. My thinking was that since the code Peter added derives the number of articles from the Special:Statistics page, maybe the same principle could be applied to give a live count of scores if there was a way to derive the number of images. It's late. Maybe I should look at this when I am fresh and my cat is not trying to sit on the keys. --Sphemusator 21:40, 30 June 2006 (CDT)
  • I just got back in town from a business trip. Nice job on the front page all. I think it's a lot more friendly to a newcomer with the box on top. I did a quick look around to see if there was a NUMBEROFIMAGES or similar variable, but I couldn't find any info. So if it's wanted it'll have to be created. Also this may be getting too complicated, but I'm not sure counting the images will be totally accurate. Perhaps in the future more actual images will be added here and skew the goal of the count too much. I don't really have a solution to this problem and it might not even matter, but just something to think about. Anyways, look good thanks! --Horndude77 23:32, 1 July 2006 (CDT)


September-December 2006

Automatic Loading of Correct Language Front Page

I just thought of something, but do not yet know how to implement it. I know there are sites that can automatically select which language of a particular page you would like, and I thought this might be a very good idea for IMSLP too. The problem is that I have no idea how to go about this (code-wise)... Any help would be appreciated. --Feldmahler 18:22, 28 September 2006 (EDT)

Actually, I managed to do it already (oh the wonders of Google <.<;;;). But I still need to test it in a Spanish prefering browser. --Feldmahler 19:13, 28 September 2006 (EDT)

Translation/Internationalization

Recently, Mr.Moonlight has started the Spanish translation of IMSLP. The question I now have is how I should integrate different versions of the same page. In my opinion, the Wikipedia style of putting the different languages on the side is not noticeable enough; I would like to put it across the top of the page itself (and maybe even put little flags of the countries instead of the actual language name). I think this idea works since there are really not a lot of pages that have to be translated (5 essential ones), so there is no real need for some automated mechanism to link the different language pages. Of course that's just my opinion. The reason I'm writing this is because I want to hear some other people's opinions and/or code :) --Feldmahler 21:13, 26 September 2006 (EDT)

That sounds fine to me. I agree that the wikipedia style won't quite work here. I believe those links actually exist in separate wikis. I gave it a go. It's just a test. I couldn't find any good flags to replace the asterisks. Is this what you had in mind? Horndude77 22:58, 26 September 2006 (EDT)
Yes, that's quite similar, though I'd leave out the untranslated languages (until they're translated :). And also I just thought that maybe a right alignment is better? I'll test it --Feldmahler 00:03, 27 September 2006 (EDT)
Actually, I thought it was too un-integrated so I tried something different... tell me what you think :) --Feldmahler 00:09, 27 September 2006 (EDT)
I think it's fine where you're putting it. In fact I think I like that best. We are going to run out of room when more languages become available. Maybe it should be moved to the bottom of the page when it gets too big. Or do what wikipedia does with an intro page to get you to the correct language. I was messing around a bit in Test page, but I couldn't come up with anything better. I have a side question though: what's the difference between 'composer's time period' and 'work's time period'? Could we eliminate one? I know there are some composers that are a bit ambiguous, but it just seems redundant to me.
Now that's a very good question. Originally I conceived of it just in case there are somehow discrepancies between composer time period/work time period (I was thinking maybe this might be the case for some "in between" composers). To date I do not know of any piece which is not in the composer's work period, frankly. But I think maybe the function of the two is slightly different? I.e. in one of them you are browsing actual works, while in the other just the composers. That's just my opinion... but if there are formatting problems that arise from having both, it is very conceivable to delete one. --Feldmahler 21:03, 27 September 2006 (EDT)


Regarding the Page/Score Line

I saw your change to the Page/score line, Peter, and I thought it was a correct one to make, except that the "scores for" part seemed not really necessary, and also makes it not look very good... so I'm removing that part for the time being, unless there is another reason for it that you had in mind. --Feldmahler 20:40, 3 October 2006 (EDT)

Not using the built in $NUMBEROFFILES

The reason I brought back the <imslpcount> parser hook is because I realized that the $NUMBEROFFILES variable implementation is very buggy. Currently, the <imslpcount> hook actually counts the number of files in the directory, so it is always correct. --Feldmahler 18:46, 2 November 2006 (EST)

News Pane

I have a suggestion for a news pane on the homepage, where latest news and messages about IMSLP can be posted. A special News page would be inlined in the main page for quick and easy editing of the section (not in this example, that's why there are red links in the pane). What dou you think? And what about the lay-out?
If you want to enter it just add everything after <!-- NEWS PANE --> --Peter 08:11, 4 November 2006 (EST)

News [Edit this list]
Introduction
Welcome to the International Music Score Library Project! IMSLP attempts to create a virtual library containing all public domain musical scores, as well as scores from composers who are willing to share their music with the world without charge. You can read the full list of goals that IMSLP will try to achieve.

IMSLP also encourages the exchange of musical ideas, both in the form of musical works, and in the analysis of existing ones. Therefore, feel free to create/edit a page with your analysis of a particular piece (please use the "Discussion" link on the work page of that particular piece).

Community
  • Our users are active on the IMSLP forum, and, to lesser extent, on the community portal. Feel free to share your opinion, ask questions, report problems or make suggestions!
  • Current projects: To help this site achieve a certain completeness, you will find common projects on this page. As of the moment, one of the main projects of IMSLP (in addition to the normal adding of various scores) is the sorting and uploading of the Bach-Gesellschaft Ausgabe (complete works). Additional projects can be found on the current projects page.
  • Wishlist: A list of scores that users are looking for.
  • Tasks: Find various ways how you can help improve IMSLP.
Recent Additions and Featured Scores

<imslprecentadditions></imslprecentadditions>

Featured Scores [Edit this list]:

I really like this idea, but there seems to be a little bit of a dilemma: if I put the news section above the entire rest of the page (like you have here) it seems a little weird, since there is also the main bar above it. So I thought it might be a good idea to put it below "Introduction". But of course, now the balancing between the two sides is broken :( I've already changed the <imslprecentadditions> parser so that it will accept the number of items to show from wiki input (the reason it still shows 12 instead of 16 items is because no one has submitted any more yet; this shouldn't be a problem in the future since the internal buffer is now 24 items).

Anyway, I'm still not very satisfied with the layout... but can't think of anything better. --Feldmahler 10:11, 4 November 2006 (EST)

Protection of the Main Page

I've locked the main page due to recent vandalism... if anyone needs anything changed on it please tell me. --Feldmahler 20:51, 25 November 2006 (EST)

Inside page scroller

I have setup a css scrollbar that works inside a wiki page (is not an iFrame). This could be good for something like "Recent Additions" where you could have it set to like 50 instead of like 10 or whatever it's set to now. Obviously good for other lists inside a page. Many settings are changeable from the wiki, colors, size, fonts, etc. Let me know if you want to use it and I'll post the CSS/wiki here. The CSS can be added right to MediaWiki:Common.css from the wiki but can only be added by sysop or greater.

Here are a few examples...

http://www.hak5.org/wiki/Category:Special_Guests


http://www.hak5.org/wiki/Goodies#Wallpapers


http://www.hak5.org/wiki/DL.TV (on the right)


http://www.hak5.org/wiki/Episode_2x05 (also on the right)


A Witt 18:08, 18 December 2006 (EST)

Wow... that would indeed be a nice thing for the main page (and so I won't have to change the length of the recent additions list whenever I add a news item -_-). It'd be great if you can post the CSS code :) --Feldmahler 19:20, 18 December 2006 (EST)

I made a separate page with the info.


Scroller


A Witt 19:34, 18 December 2006 (EST)

Scroller Attempts

Call me dumb... but I can't for the life of me find a way to use the scroller the way I want it to be. Basically, what I'm thinking is using the scroller in the news pane, so that there is no change in length when I add a news item. Also, it's a good idea to make the width of the scrollbox flexible, so that it takes up half (width-wise) of the page regardless of what screen resolution the user is viewing it at, but I don't know if that can be done...

So I'm going to let everyone get a chance to dip their hands in it and see if they can do it. If you manage to use it on other things and make them look better, that's even better :)

The information about the scrollers can be found here, and a duplicate main page that I set up so people can edit it (since the real main page is locked) can be found here. Good luck! --Feldmahler 21:46, 18 December 2006 (EST)


This should be closer to what you want...

scroller

You can now increase the # of recent additions to whatever you want, change the height and width, but I didn't use the #expr version cause I wasn't sure if you have the math/parser extensions. It doesn't really matter much thought since that can just be a template and you will only set it once.

I like it, and also the shadowbox, which I think is quite useful on the wiki elsewhere. However, there's a problem with putting the scrollbox on the main page in that while the scrollbox works with IE6, it breaks with both Firefox2 and Konqueror (right side of scrollbox breaks out of the containing shadowbox). This is viewing the site at 1024x768... I don't know about 1200x1024, but the box should be resolution-independent, since people use vastly different resolutions. However, that might mean that the scrollbox can't be put on the main page :(, unless these two points can be fixed (browser compatibility and resolution independence). --Feldmahler 11:38, 19 December 2006 (EST)

I made the <div class="scrolltext_a" width smaller, which is the setting that would show it breaking out of the shadowbox. It could go smaller and still look ok in higher resolutions. I have tested in Safari, IE6 pc, FF 2 mac/pc but all are 1200x1024 +

A Witt 12:14, 19 December 2006 (EST)

Nice; I'll do more with it after I finish being very busy for the next few days... basically there are two more things that are needed: a scrollbox around the News column, and possibly removing the shadowbox, and using only plain scrollbox. The shadowbox is quite useful elsewhere on the wiki, but I don't think it really fits with the layout of the main page (stands out too much). :) --Feldmahler 12:43, 19 December 2006 (EST)
I see you've changed it, and I like it! I will try it out on both main pages (english and spanish) in a few days. I won't be here most of the time before then so I don't want to change anything dramatic before then, in case there's some unforeseen problem (as unlikely as that is). --Feldmahler 18:54, 19 December 2006 (EST)

January-March 2007

Default language

I think that the default language when entering the site should allways be english since this kind of features are very optional. --Funper 20:19, 24 February 2007 (EST)

Well... the original idea is that there are enough sites out there (Google, Yahoo, MSN and all the big ones) that do this kind of language autodetection, so that most people would have set their browser language to what they wanted anyway; and so language autodetection would be useful for IMSLP too... of course, you can always change the language in "my preferences" after logging in if you don't like the language autodetection :) --Feldmahler 23:49, 24 February 2007 (EST)
Well the difference between the "big ones" is that they have a proper language translation, and mostly; they have ALL their pages translated. "MSN and all the big ones" have hired professionals to translate their pages, it's not just some average Joe writing his perception of what should be written. So I suggest that we use English as default language on this site, maybe until IMSLP.org is mentioned as internationally renowned in "The New York Times" (which I one day hope it will be), OR until we have proper translation on the WHOLE site :) --Funper 20:15, 1 March 2007 (EST)
Why do you think the translation is just average? We have worked hard for these translations, and won't let them be removed one day.
I don't see the point of a professional translation of an open-source site that everyone can edit. Translation errors will be removed as international users are attracted to the site, and the only way of doing that is by presenting other languages. Wikipedia is the proof. Just trust in the community! --Peter 11:52, 2 March 2007 (EST)
Let's all play nice now hehe :) The problem with only wanting people to see a completely translated IMSLP site is that no one would be doing the translations and translation checking in the first place since no one knows about it. That said, there are some translations of IMSLP that are already pretty complete as is :) This is why I've added different language translations to the code of the IMSLP site itself as soon as the translation project starts, so that more people can get involved and make it better :)
There is actually quite a large non-english population that visits IMSLP; they make up nearly half of the visits... and probably will increase the more languages IMSLP gets translated into. And like Peter said, since IMSLP is a wiki, more people visiting the translations means that the translations can be improved on by more people, so it is probably in IMSLP's best interest to make translations as available as possible :)
In any case, let us not argue about this hehe :) If for some reason you do not like a translation, you can just change the language setting in your preferences to whatever other language you would like, and the entire IMSLP site will follow your setting :) --Feldmahler 12:11, 2 March 2007 (EST)
And let me also take this opportunity to thank the IMSLP translators for the work they've put in :) --Feldmahler 12:23, 2 March 2007 (EST)
I have nothing against your translations, but your idea of just translating the baseline and throwing it in your site is just ridicules. I mean, the navigation bar is in swedish, but the rest of the site is in english. You haven't even bothered to translate the info-pages, but despite that, you throw it in as a autodetected when somebody visits this site! You think that a translated baselinge is enough to make it a language 'section'... --Funper 15:41, 2 March 2007 (EST)
Oh... that wasn't translated by anyone; it came with the MediaWiki software. The only real "translations" of the site are the 6 ones listed on the main page :) I would very much welcome it if you wanted to start an actual Swedish translation (see Internationalization_(translation)).
Usually how translations of the IMSLP site work is that the main page is translated first, and then the pages linked by it, and so on. --Feldmahler 17:19, 2 March 2007 (EST)
I've put up a forum thread which addresses this: [1]. --Feldmahler 17:28, 2 March 2007 (EST)
VOTE NO!!! IT IS DULL AND ANNOYING! :) --Funper 19:27, 2 March 2007 (EST)
Hahahahaha ;P --Feldmahler 19:38, 2 March 2007 (EST)

Searching IMSLP?

I have noticed that you have added a new search bar above the other. Personally I don't remember the IMSLP#:s and I don't understand why this new search bar is placed above the old and "slightly" more useful one. Besides, It would be a nice addition if composer names would appear in search results. --Funper 21:07, 1 March 2007 (EST)

Copyright information

I think we need to make the "Copyright Information" section more prominent, so (hopefully) people don't just start vandalizing pages, and will actually contact someone instead. Probably should also mention the forums as an avenue to address possible infringement. --Emeraldimp 11:08, 15 March 2007 (EDT)

That would be a nice idea... though I can't think of any good way to do this at the moment (maybe bold it?)... Regardless, I'll contact the guy first :) --Feldmahler 11:28, 15 March 2007 (EDT)

An error in spelling

"However, in the case that there are violations, please contact us at imslp@imslp.org ."

Can someone remove the space between the period and the sentence? Springeragh 13:30, 16 March 2007 (EDT)

Done --Peter 05:15, 17 March 2007 (EDT)

Deleting Files?

Is it not nice to delete files that are incomplete (missing pages) if there is also a complete version? Gacl 23:53, 4 April 2007 (EDT)

Of what file(s) are you talking about? Can you give an example? --Feldmahler 01:02, 5 April 2007 (EDT)
I was thinking this but i guess that the different layout of the parts is enough to keep both versions. --Gacl 01:42, 5 April 2007 (EDT)
They are different editions, so it is fine to have them both even if one is missing pages :) Also, next time post directly on the talk page of the work page itself... the talk page of the main page should be used to discuss the main page itself :) --Feldmahler 02:34, 5 April 2007 (EDT)

Really Sad when Searching Google...

IMSLP is the 9th result when searching after music scores... When searching after sheet music, IMSLP isn't even on the first 100th... Might be good trying keywords... "Sheet music" is barelly mentioned on the main page :( --Funper 16:36, 5 April 2007 (EDT)

Yes, can we add keywords? Or is that something only the administrator does? gacl 2007-04-09 19:40

2007-June 2010

Proposed changes

In light of the (currently under way) creation of the Community Portal, I would like to propose some changes to the Main Page. My basic idea would be to make the Main Page more focused on the "general public", with one prominent section addressed to (potential future) contributors, where we would explain in a few sentences how to contribute, and referring to the Community Portal for details.

  • The section "How Wikis Work" should be integrated somehow into the beginner section of the Portal and/or a hypothetical beginner tutorial, and removed from the Main Page
  • Merge "Community" and "How to Contribute" - this would be the section addressed to contributors mentioned above. It should only contain the "what" and refer to the Portal for the "how" (guidelines etc.)
  • I hope not to offend anyone, but since like that we should have more space available, can be please please get rid of the in-page scroll bars? The "News" should be archived at some point (it's not "Olds", after all), and moreover the community related news will go to the Portal. The "Recent Additions" list is not that long (by the way, how about removing the #number? I don't see its use on the Main Page). "Featured Scores" deserves a section of its own, IMHO.

What do you think? --Leonard Vertighel 04:12, 24 April 2007 (EDT)

It may be a good idea to create a mirror page of the Main page, and try stuff there, and we can all comment on it :) Witt is gonna kill you (he was the one who brought in the scrollbars), but don't let that prevent you from organizing it the way you see fit ;) --Feldmahler 04:24, 24 April 2007 (EDT)
  1. Wasn't there already a test-main page? I seem to recall something...
  2. Do the scroll bars take so much place? Yes the old news is not new enough. But I like the list of recent additions, ie when I come home after some days hard work, to see what nice sweets there is, and to have an idea of the amount of correction work ahead :) An alternative is to display less additions on the homepage and keep an even longer list on a separate page, or maybe with a user-customizable length.
  3. I vote for a separate box for the featured scores, since the layout will be more consequent.
  4. I never liked the boxes with two borders for the titles. The simple boxes Leonard made on the community portal are nicer...
  5. Maybe we should give IMSLP some refreshing colors? The blue is wearing off... Of course, the best idea would be to integrate all colors and headers in a style sheet, so that future changes and customizations will be easier and consequenter. At last, that's why they invented CSS.
Thanks for your hours and hours of devoted work, Leonard! --Peter 08:10, 28 April 2007 (EDT)
  1. Yes.
  2. What I meant is that a) the News section should become so short that it doesn't need any scrollbars (who cares about server downtimes back in the Middle Ages anyway? Let's archive that stuff), and b) in my opinion the recent additions list is already short enough to display it in full, without scrollbars.
I agree that we should use CSS for the design. MediaWiki:Common.css can be used for the purpose. --Leonard Vertighel 08:14, 29 April 2007 (EDT)
Go ahead and try your ideas... just don't break the CSS too badly ;) Also may be nice if you could try it on your own account before you apply it to the main CSS (I'm assuming this is possible) :) Unfortunately I'm horrible with colors and general web design, so I can't help you there... And yes, shortened news list is a good idea; maybe you can add a <noinclude> tag on the news page so that the older entries don't get included on the main page? --Feldmahler 11:32, 29 April 2007 (EDT)
Just let me finish a few other things first... And while I do enjoy breaking things randomly, it won't happen in this case: a CSS-based remake of the page will require new classes, so any changes I make will have no impact on existing content. --Leonard Vertighel 07:07, 30 April 2007 (EDT)

title

The heading "Main Page" is quite useless. Is there any way to remove it? --Peter talk 18:01, 22 May 2007 (EDT)

Not with the current software version (except possibly with some Javascript trickery). When the software gets updated, it will be possible via the stylesheet. --Leonard Vertighel 18:10, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
I was browsing the Mediawiki website today, and I found the code for it. Perhaps the javascript code could be applied until the software version is updated?

[here @ 3.9] Scottorr 03:43, 3 September 2007 (EDT)

files --> scores

It would certainly feel more aristocratic if "files" would be mentioned as "scores" in the counter. --Funper 10:49, 22 May 2007 (EDT)

I suppose this is true... I wonder why it was changed to "files" from "scores" (I remember having it "scores" at first)... my memory fails me :/ But in any case, I'm changing it to "scores" since it seems to fit much better (plus, all PNG/JPG files are not counted by the counter). --Feldmahler 14:04, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
I don't agree. IMSLP also houses academic books, which are not scores. Of course, most of us just use it for the scores. I know I do.  :) chris 13:08, 12 September 2007 (EDT)

New look

Nice, very! Although I fell that the gray color on the header is to intense for my eyes. --Funper 21:30, 22 May 2007 (EDT)

If you mean that it is too light (too bright), this is probably due to a weird issue with IE6 which displays the wrong colour on page load. Usually it switches to the correct colour if you scroll down and up again (don't ask me why such an absurd thing would happen). I've done some research, but unfortunately up to now I have no idea how to fix it. At least, I believe that it is the only issue left with IE6 (I had to invest quite some time to work around several other IE rendering errors). The image in our Wikipedia article shows how it's meant to look. --Leonard Vertighel 03:47, 23 May 2007 (EDT)
Funper, I think it's better to post new comments on the bottom of the page, as this is the common use on wiki. If you click the "+" button on the top of the talk page, a new comment is automatically created for you at the bottom. Peter talk 14:45, 23 May 2007 (EDT)
Yeah, by the way Beethoven's Piano Concerto No.3, real romantic stuff..! should be under romantic :P --Funper 15:49, 23 May 2007 (EDT)

Wishlist

http://imslp.org/wiki/Wishlist

Can we place this list somewhere on the new main page?

Well... Emeraldimp wants the scanning queue and the projects page, and our unsigned contributor above wants the wishlist... I won't oppose this in principle, but it looks very much like we are about to cram half of the Community Portal into the Main Page...
The Community Portal should be the central place for everything that concerns the contributing community. Let me ask it this way: Why does it seem bad to you to access the Wishlist from the Community Portal? --Leonard Vertighel 16:45, 24 May 2007 (EDT)

Sorry that was me before - ddn't know how to sign. The main reason is that I didn't even know about the community portal. Maybe it should be made more obvious on the front page - its function, and also just visually. Celloguy 19:37, 27 May 2007

The portal has recently been renamed to "Contributor Portal" to make its purpose clearer. It is the first link (in bold) in the "Contributing" section of the Main Page, and the link is repeated at the end of the section. It is now also the first link in the Welcome message for new users, and it is the first link in the "participate" section of the sidebar. If you have other suggestions to make it even more obvious, let us know... --Leonard Vertighel 16:25, 27 May 2007 (EDT)

protected?

The Main Page has been protected, why? --Funper 13:30, 25 May 2007 (EDT)

It has been the target of vandalism several times in the past (when it was unprotected)... --Feldmahler 13:38, 25 May 2007 (EDT)

Instrumetation

In the "Browse Scores" menu, would it be advisable to add a sorting by "instrument" type? -- Meta 18:37(GMT) June 27, 2007

Separating lists

Discussion moved to correct page: Category talk:Composition Lists.

Wget blocked

Attempting to download files using wget returns 403 errors. This seems counter to the stated goal of accessibility, and is particularly cruel given that the article about corrupted downloads linked on the main page explicitly recommends it.

Yes, wget offers a --user-agent option to pretend to be something else, and yes that works fine. But that's really not the right solution (and is of course also available to people who were intended to be blocked). If this block was put in place in an attempt to discourage people mirroring the entire site, perhaps a combination of a policy stating what's acceptable and what isn't, wikipedia-style data dumps, and IP-based blocking or throttling for abusers would be more effective.

HEx 17:47, 1 August 2007 (EDT)

The "Corrputed" Downloads notice

It has always bugged me that new news always goes down below that message. Perhaps it could be moved to somewhere else on the main page, just because it does not fit in the "News" category, and also doesn't follow the same syntax as the other news, with a date and everything in order. (It being a permanently needed notice)

I was thinking it could be put right below the Recent Additions column, because right now there is extra room down there. Perhaps, it could be put anywhere in that column, if there is a good reason for it. Scottorr 18:51, 29 August 2007 (EDT)

I agree. I think it should be in the FAQ, now that we have one :) ~ jujimufu 09:29, 2 September 2007 (EDT)
I've added it to the FAQ because you're right, it should go there no matter what happens to the notice on the main page. Thanks for the suggestion. Scottorr 02:17, 3 September 2007 (EDT)

Copyright clearance on recent additions

Hi welcome back! Is it possible to set the "recent additions" list to list pieces only once they've cleared the copyright check (or have a separate list): it's somewhat deflating to see a work that you've always wanted and then seen that it's not available yet. Just a thought. Mscuthbert 23:47, 6 July 2008 (EDT)

This is actually already on my own todo list :) But because it requires a rather radical change to the backend software, it may take a while (a week or two) to actually go online. --Feldmahler 00:25, 7 July 2008 (EDT)
And...? Also, what about removing entries where the page and file have been deleted (Copyright or what?).--Snailey Yell at me 12:40, 28 October 2008 (EDT)
Yes, that would be a useful and helpful thing to do. The copyright reveiw team does a pretty good job of blasting illegal submissions out of here rapidly, but sometimes the deleted entry still has a link on main page. Carolus 14:56, 4 November 2008 (EST)

Page Title

I was just wondering if someone could make the title tag a bit more interesting? It doesn't seem very descriptive or anything right now. I know this is a small thing, but still...-- Snailey 12:46, 10 July 2008 (EDT)

You mean the yellow title? any suggestions? --Peter talk 13:35, 10 July 2008 (EDT)
No, the HTML Tag. Unless this is a part of the software...By the way, someone needs to correct the spelling of "Internationalization" because it is directing users to the french page. --Snailey 13:43, 10 July 2008 (EDT)
meta-title is in the code, IMSLP:Internationalization is english ? --Peter talk 18:47, 10 July 2008 (EDT)
Yeah, it is. Thanks!--Snailey 23:31, 10 July 2008 (EDT)
Actually I've been reading through various pages, and this seems to be a common error: see This Page--Snailey 23:53, 10 July 2008 (EDT)
  • Ahem*; This needs to be addressed, please--Snailey 23:09, 14 July 2008 (EDT)

Hmm, I don't understand completely your question... What is the error? --Peter talk 04:19, 15 July 2008 (EDT)

Since internationalization has a "Z" in english and an "S" in french, these links are directed to the french page.
Well, the spelling with "S" is British English, so it's not really an error. I agree that the ambiguity leading to incorrect linking is a problem though... --Leonard Vertighel 02:19, 19 July 2008 (EDT)
Thank you for the corrections. I think that the only possible permanent solution to this would be to create separate imslp.co.uk, .fr, etc. This might be problematic to implicate, but it would probably work better (Isn't that what wikipedia has done?)--Snailey 11:34, 23 July 2008 (EDT)

Folk/Traditional Songs

Where would we upload arrangements of traditional or folk songs? Ironmagma 23:14, 20 July 2008 (EDT)

I myself am not sure, but perhaps Category:Anonymous?--Snailey 11:36, 23 July 2008 (EDT)
Also, Category:Folk Songs, German, perhaps--Snailey 08:48, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

History

Just putting this out there - does anyone think that it would be a good idea to add a history of IMSLP section here or on a separate page?--Snailey 18:06, 6 September 2008 (EDT)

contributing

The contributing section needs updating to go with the finished BGA --Snailey Yell at me 12:24, 4 November 2008 (EST)

Actually, whole chunks of this page need updating. Could someone do this?Snailey Yell at me Email me 12:21, 17 December 2008 (EST)
It makes it look staleish...Snailey Yell at me Email me 12:43, 4 January 2009 (EST)
I agree. --Leonard Vertighel 16:51, 4 January 2009 (EST)

Recent Additions

In my Browser (firefox) the column seems way too short. Should we have more recent additions? Also, I think that the featured socres should have its own block, instead of just being a heading in that block. It would make for a more dynamic layout.Snailey Yell at me Email me 10:14, 23 November 2008 (EST)

Slight typo main page

"the the Orchestral" -> "the Orchestral" (amazing site as always...) --Mscuthbert 01:25, 24 February 2009 (EST)

The typo was in the news. This has been fixed.-- Snailey Yell at me Email me 16:11, 24 February 2009 (EST)

Composer Search

I've found that searching for composers delivers mixed results, as for some composers it will direct you directly to their page, and for others it will give you a list of the composers works (which is not as helpful). Is there any way to fix this? Jon.t 11:36, 1 March 2009 (EST)

Actually, the search function searches for page title and text matches. Sometimes, people have created redirects to composers (the popular ones), and sometimes not. Make a list of composers who have wont of redirects here or on my Talk Page, and I'll make them.-- Snailey Yell at me Email me 12:47, 1 March 2009 (EST)

Contributing

Ought we put the sections (like contributing) on separate pages and transclude them onto the main page?-- Snailey Yell at me Email me 10:58, 4 March 2009 (EST)

I don't think that these should be modified all that frequently. Moreover, I just reverted a major vandalism to the Main Page via a transcluded template (which is now locked), so I don't know how long we will be able to keep those open for everyone to edit anyway. --Leonard Vertighel 11:06, 4 March 2009 (EST)
I didn't mean for them to be open. I just meant that we could modify freely without making inordinate numbers of minor changes :-)-- Snailey Yell at me Email me 11:07, 4 March 2009 (EST)
Well, but either we put the automatic "old translation" template also on the transcluded page (which somewhat defeats your purpose), or we lose the ability to keep track of the translations. Not sure if that is so good... --Leonard Vertighel 11:22, 4 March 2009 (EST)
True. I keep on losing sight of the "I" in IMSLP.-- Snailey Yell at me Email me 20:03, 4 March 2009 (EST)

Japanese Main Page

Please add a link to メインページ as the Japanese Main Page--Supertchan 07:58, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

See User Talk:Feldmahler (at the bottom) for why it's not working.-- Snailey Talk to Me Email me 13:40, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
Oh, I see. But I think you can put a link on the right top red area.--Supertchan 13:34, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Done. That's actually not that easy ;)-- Snailey Talk to Me Email me 01:04, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks a lot!--Supertchan 06:06, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Main Main Page

Hello hello,

I'm just writing about the main main page (not the Main Page, but the first instance of imslp.org).

Translations of the Main Page are indeed wonderful and very useful.

But what about the very first page that shows up on http://www.imslp.org? Do you think we should have IFLANG translations of it, or small flag-symbols in the top-right corner which would allow the users to view the content of that page (albeit minimal) in their language? I know it's not all that important - I mean, as a matter of fact, a ridiculously high percentage of internet users can understand essential english (enough so that they will get through to the next page where they can choose their language of choice, if it's there), but still, if we're translating the site into other language, we should do it right!

I could do the coding (with simple DIVs, using flags from famfamfam icons) if other people are busy. But still a) I don't know how to add/change code on that page, b) I don't know whether the admins would like something like that (maybe they have their own reasons for not translating that page), and c) I don't know if the rest of you people would like it.

21:28, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

I think it's a great idea. However, how would we
  1. Change the language apropriately.
  2. It's not in the mediawiki thing, so only Feldmahler can edit it.
  3. How would the alternates work.-- Snailey Talk to Me Email me 00:46, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
What if it was something like WP has, like es.imslp.org (or whatever the language code is)? In that case, the entire site could automatically be in whatever language specified by the prefix thing (can't remember the correct name at the moment). Of course, that would probably be highly impractical, since there would probably need to be some kind of magic with multiple copies of the wiki. Or, on second thought, maybe not, since all of our work pages/etc. are in English...so only somewhat magical...not really sure... KGill talk email 01:14, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

I've thought about that, but it has been dismissed.-- Snailey Talk to Me Email me 01:23, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

I think it would be quite possible to have it with CSS layers - so all the translations load with the main page, but only the english one appears by default - then there is a small British flag with an arrow or something in the top-right corner, and when clicked, a box opens with more flags, and when a flag is clicked, the DIV with the X translation of the front page is put in front of the english translation. Good thing is that the translations would appear instantaneously after clicking the button, since it would be CSS, and the content would have already loaded. The only drawback is that all the content would have to be loaded at once, which might make it more problematic for slower connections. Alternatively, the flags would link to, say, imslp.org/el or imslp.org/fr or whatever, and these pages would in turn be in the other languages. Also, having all the content in one page would make it problematic once the translations start hitting larger numbers - because the page would be bigger and bigger to load (although the "heavy" items -i.e. pictures and backgrounds- would only load once, so it would only be the text loading).
What say you?
14:31, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Front Page - some questions

Hello again.

I have some more questions about the front page of IMSLP.

Firstly, I was wondering if there's really any reason for a link to the IMDBP, since it has been integrated to the rest of the IMSLP since April. If not, then maybe we could replace the content of that box with the content for the language choice ("IMSLP in other languages:" as a title for the box, and then languages selection in the box) (this way we could also omit the language selection in the Main Page, since the users will have already chosen the language of their choice, and if not, they can always choose it again from the list in the navigation menu on the left, as with all WIKIs).

Secondly, I was wondering, is it IMSLP or PML? In half the site it's mentioned as IMSLP, the rest as Petrucci Music Library. How would prefer us to refer to it? Is the domain going to change to pml.org any time in the future?

~ jujimufu 13:17, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Maybe the domain imslp.org should just redirect to imslp.org/wiki/Main_Page...it seems that with the death/merging of IMDBP, it has ceased to provide any meaningful additions (save a nice frontispiece). Users could just select their language on the wiki main page. KGill talk email 22:23, 30 August 2009 (UTC)


Possible "Glaring Omission"

This library is titled after Mr Petrucci. Yet nowhere is there any mention of why it has been named after him. Is there anywhere a link to Mr Petrucci's bio?

Not sure if it needs to be on the Main Page (it shouldn't become too crowded). It might definitely be a good idea to add it to one of the About pages though. (Also, don't forget the signature on talk pages.) --Leonard Vertighel 17:37, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

composers (living or otherwise) who are willing to share

Maybe I'm just being pedantic, but how can a non-living composer be willing to do anything? After all, non-living people are usually dead... --Leonard Vertighel 07:10, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

OK, I received an email that seemed redundant to me asking if they could post their works. I asked what needed to be clearer, and they suggested revising this point, and this was my best idea.-- Snailey Talk to Me Email me 02:12, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
Maybe it would be better to explain this in one of the About pages, rather than trying to cram this bit of info into the short description on the Main Page? --Leonard Vertighel 21:23, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Sure, go ahead.-- Snailey Talk to Me Email me 02:26, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Total work count

I noticed that the total number of works dropped significantly from just over 18,000 yesterday to about 17,300 today. Were works merged, or deleted, or...?

Inquiring minds want to know! :)

Casey326

The old counter was very inaccurate and counted also all sorts of pages which aren't actually work pages. The new counter displays the exact number of pages in Category:Scores. (A totally accurate count of works is not technically feasible, because in some cases multiple works are on a single page, etc.) --Leonard Vertighel 21:23, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Composers counter?

Do we want to add {{PAGESINCATEGORY:Composers}}?-- Snailey Talk to Me Email me 01:47, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

It would be nice to have, but it might make that section more visually obstructive. As it is now, the line of text 'Online since...' is horizontally smaller than the title 'IMSLP / Petrucci Music Library', which directs the eye appropriately to the title and then the subordinate information. With the composer count, that line would become about a centimeter (roughly estimating) longer on each side of the title, which is distracting from the title. Unless, of course, 'Online' was moved somewhere else, but that could make it worse. I don't know, I guess it could work... KGill talk email 02:11, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
You make a good point about the aesthetic appeal...I guess I was thinking more utilitarianisticly ;)-- Snailey Talk to Me Email me 12:22, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Main Page/draft2-- Snailey Talk to Me Email me 12:24, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

آموزش پيووت

آموزش برنامه اي که تحت اکسل کار ميکند و بهترين گزارش گير ميباشد

Does anyone know Arabic? I'm afraid my rather limited Hebrew doesn't help me here.-- Snailey (_@/) Talk to Me Email me 03:45, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
According to Google Translate, it's Persian: 'Programmed Excel works under the sink is the best report'. Which is about as helpful as I expected it to be... KGill talk email 13:56, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
That's not Arabic, Snailey! To us, it's nearly an insult that someone confounds Persian with Arabic :) The person above isn't saying anything relevant. The translation is as follows: "[Headline:] Learning Pivot[.] Learning a program that works under Excel and handles information better". It's gibberish. --Funper 02:17, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Many apologies!-- Snailey (_@/) Talk to Me Email me 03:18, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

More recent additions

Even before new recordings was added, the recent additions part of the page was beginning to scroll by too fast to keep up with on a daily basis. When one goes to More there is a list of files instead of pages, and, while many are helpfully named, some are more so than others:

IMSLP #68073 -- PMLP137499-Viotti_-_3_Duets_for_2_Cellos_Op29_(C_Schroeder)_cello1.pdf IMSLP #68072 -- PMLP137497-S478.PDF

Can the special page More Recent Additions be tweaked to look more like the main page? Richard Mix 01:27, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

I couldn't agree more. This would indeed be a useful feature. You should make a post about (or a link to) this in the forum too in order to get some more attention to this issue. --Funper 01:59, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

IMSLP:MoreRecentAdditions — that's now linked to from the main page. Note: it will fill up to capacity (50 of each) over time, so don't ask yet :)-- Snailey (_@/) Talk to Me Email me 03:16, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Great! :) Is it possible to include older submissions in the list? --Funper 03:28, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Explicate please? I'm afraid I don't get what you want specifically-- Snailey (_@/) Talk to Me Email me 03:28, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

You know, is it possible to have the list show all additions, even those that are not so recent (i.e. that it goes back all the way to maybe IMSLP # 0001)?

That's called the "File List" and is an existing special page :). Cheers-- Snailey (_@/) Talk to Me Email me 03:45, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Well it's true that "File List" has a similar function, but this list differs to that of the recent addition in that respect that it does not show the name of the work page on which the file has been submitted. I actually meant to ask if it's possible to have the recent addition liszt (unintentional phun, I actually wrote it with a "z" :S ) show additions all the way back to, say Piano Sonata No.1 (Beethoven, Ludwig van) on which IMSLP #0001 was submitted? :) --Funper 03:58, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
Sure. The code was
	
==Scores==	
{{#imslprecentadditions:0|50}}
==Recordings==	
{{#imslprecentadditions:1|50}}
{{Refresh}}

Just change the "50" to any number (on your own page, please!) to get however many you want (I guess 63,769 would be what you want). I made a template (Template:RA) :). To use, just {{RA|1st number|2nd number}}. 2nd number defaults to first. Feel free to transclude that to something like User:Funper/Sandbox.-- Snailey (_@/) Talk to Me Email me 04:06, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Oh thanks! :) From what I can assume of what you've written, you mean that all additions up to IMSLP #00001 would be shown on the same page?! :S That seems very perplexing. Isn't it possible to make the recent additions list like pages one can browse through, with a function to go back and forward through it? --Funper 04:16, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
PS. The amount of scores is the same, even if I change it to 1000: See User:Funper/Sandbox. --Funper 04:19, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I noticed, and can't figure out why. I'm assuming that will go away, but I'll notify feld. BTW, it works fine if you lower it past a certain point.
I'm going to sleep now, but perhaps I could come up with something. Frankly I doubt I can (though it would be nice!), and it's a bit a of a duplication of effort given the file list. Sorry.
P.S. Don't keep messing with a page if you hope for someone to be able to reply in a timely manner ;)-- Snailey (_@/) Talk to Me Email me 04:20, 16 June 2010 (UTC) I changed it back due to popular demand :)-- Snailey (_@/) Talk to Me Email me 19:38, 16 June 2010 (UTC)