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Legnani: Caprices, Op.20

Hello KGill, That edition you posted is much newer than the 1820s. It looks like something that Schott would have issued anywhere from around 1925 to 1965. It also appears to have quite a few editorial additions which aren't urtext in nature. I'll look it up later when I have some time, but I'm leaving it untagged for now. It might have to be deleted. Carolus 20:28, 22 June 2009 (EDT) (IMSLP Copyright Admin)

I'm sorry...I didn't look too closely at the editorial additions. I'll try not to get anything from that site anymore, since I don't have the skill of identifying editions by sight, and...yeah, in retrospect that was thoughtless, I don't know, I guess I thought it was a reprint or something. Sorry for the trouble, and thanks for checking it five minutes after I posted it.--KGill 20:42, 22 June 2009 (EDT)

Ha! It turns out that it is free in both the USA and Canada. Schott actually dropped the ball and Kalmus has reprinted it. Good one. 21:24, 22 June 2009 (EDT)

Nice work with XavierSX

Sounding like a Copyright Reviewer, almost ;) Looks nice.-- Snailey Talk to Me Email me 16:20, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, thank you :) What I said was close to the exact same thing Carolus said to me after I posted my first work.--KGill 16:29, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
That's what I did when I became a copyright reviewer: Copied right (correctly...very bad pun)-- Snailey Talk to Me Email me 16:54, 27 July 2009 (UTC)


Thanks. This is good work, and you have now become basically one of seven users who do this kind of important work.-- Snailey Talk to Me Email me 22:02, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Whoa...thank you so much! I only do a tiny amount...there are others (like you) who do enormously more. I just try to fill in occasionally.--KGill 22:06, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
You are too kind. P.Davydov is the real workhorse here.-- Snailey Talk to Me Email me 22:09, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

I deleted all of the pages you tagged - thanks.-- Snailey Talk to Me Email me 02:36, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

And I'm very glad that someone pays attention to all the useless categories I make ;) And my Signature ;);)-- Snailey Talk to Me Email me 16:14, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
What do you mean by 'useless categories'? KGill talk email 16:17, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Only joking. The only really useful I've created was the Amazon Links template/category (or maybe the OM Parts...)-- Snailey Talk to Me Email me 16:18, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Karłowicz, Mieczysław Violon concerto

Hallo, have moved this to the correct author - your dates were correct, but this has nothing to do with Nicolai Medtner (see worldcat) Kalliwoda, 23:03 CET 08-20 2009

Sorry for being too lazy to look myself. The original category was actually created by J.p.m., who I guess looked up 'Karlovich' and found it was Medtner's patrynomic...and so created a new category as Medtner's name switched around...but yes, I definitely should have looked it up myself. Thanks. KGill talk email 21:11, 20 August 2009 (UTC)


Caught you away, but would you like to become an admin on IMSLP? Powers would include deletion of pages, banning of users, etc. You can find out more on IMSLP:Administrators. Contact Feldmahler with your answer.-- Snailey Talk to Me Email me 03:24, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

You are an admin now. Thanks for your efforts. --Leonard Vertighel 16:03, 29 August 2009 (UTC)


Nice work - but next time, make sure to make a redirect to the correct page or delete the "bad" one. Congrats!-- Snailey Talk to Me Email me 20:30, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

OK, I'll be quicker on the uptake in the future. Thanks. KGill talk email 20:35, 29 August 2009 (UTC)


Thanks for the nice work with Villa-Lobos, and for picking up after me a bit. I generally don't include the catalog numbers for works unless the system in use is well-known and referenced, but I see no harm in doing so regardless. Grove doesn't list this system. Where did you come across it?
And I think in the coming months the Villa-Lobos fans will have something to salivate over once I roll-out these tricks I currently have up my sleeve :)Daphnis 16:11, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

I am utterly flabbergasted to hear that Grove doesn't even mention it, let alone list it- it's from undoubtedly the most monumental work of scholarship ever done on Villa-Lobos- David P. Appleby's Villa-Lobos: A Bio-Bibliography. (I include the full source at the bottom of the [paraphrased and updated] sortable list.) It's from 1988, so not the most current source (for instance, back then they still thought the First String Quartet was written in 1915- as you know, it was rewritten in 1946 from the Suíte pitoresca of 1915, which was unknown and not listed in the catalogue), but definitely the most comprehensive (592 works, with the full listings for his folk music/arrangement collections as well). It's well enough known to be (for example) listed in the information sections for CDs from Amazon (albeit incorrectly abbreviated). And you're welcome. :-) I'm already kind of salivating to think that I can get some rather uncommon Villa-Lobos scores for free- thank you again for that. KGill talk email 16:31, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Does the Appleby work have a complete (to date) catalog of works with original date and plate info? For several of these publications by Eschig, I suspect many were published prior to the date indicated on them, but because they may have assigned a new plate, plus the earlier date may not be represented in any given WorldCat entries, I have no way of confirming this. Daphnis 20:59, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

It doesn't give any specific information beyond the original publisher. Here's a list of them for the 19 works we have (Napoleão=Editora Arthur Napoleão Ltda. (São Paulo- where'd you get Rio de Janeiro? Appleby says differently)):
  1. Bachianas 1- Associated Music Publishers
  2. Bachianas 3- G.Ricordi
  3. Bachianas 5- Associated
  4. Bachianas 6- Associated
  5. Carnaval das crianças- Napoleão
  6. Choros 1- Napoleão (Brazil), Eschig (everywhere else)
  7. Choros 7- Eschig
  8. Danças características africanas- Napoleão
  9. Duo for Oboe and Bassoon- Eschig
  10. Histórias da Carochinha- Napoleão
  11. Noneto- Eschig
  12. A prole do bebê No.1- Napoleão (Brazil), Belwin (elsewhere)
  13. Quartet for Fl/Ob/Cl/Bn- Eschig
  14. Quinteto em forma de choros- Eschig
  15. Sexteto místico- Eschig
  16. Simples coletânea- Napoleão
  17. Suíte floral- Napoleão, Villa-Lobos Music Corp. (New York)
  18. Suíte infantil No.2- Eschig
  19. Trio for Ob/Cl/Bn- Eschig

So I guess we have the original editions, with the occasional reprint. Hope this helps at all. KGill talk email 21:17, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

I got Rio de Janeiro from WorldCat records, although admittedly I don't know much about Napoleaõ. Thanks for the info. Daphnis 21:22, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your recent cleanup of these uploads. Probably no more Villa-Lobos from me for a while, at least until I finish other projects up. Daphnis 02:16, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

WF Bach, Adolf Jensen, Arthur Honegger

Hi KGill. The WFB Choral Preludes are F.38. I'm not familiar with the "Five Pieces" and I don't know on what basis they were attributed to WFB. They were apparently unknown to Falck, as they are not in his thematic catalog.

On an unrelated issue: "On the Banks of the Manzanares" is attributed here to Adolf Jensen. I'm not entirely clear on this, but I think it's actually an "Improvisation" on a theme of Jensen's which was composed by Franz Bendel. Should it be moved to Franz Bendel's page? Or should there be links to it from both Jensen's page and Bendel's?

If you're interested, I think I can supply some of the missing H numbers for Arthur Honegger's works (and maybe straighten out a few errors).

Physicist 14:50, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing these things out. I moved the Manzanares piece to Bendel's page, since it seems to be a sort of Liszt-ish thing (if you look at the bottom of the pages for his transcriptions, you'll note that there's no category link to any other composer). I have no clue about the WFB, couldn't find anything on it. It's possible that the set is really just selections from other works (we dealt with something similar with Aguado recently), in which case one would theoretically figure out which, split the file up/submit to the correct pages, and delete the original page and file. But until someone figures that out, guess I'll just leave it (since it's not impossible he wrote a set of five pieces anyway). And finally, it would be great if we could have some more H numbers- more information is always better. Thanks, KGill talk email 15:16, 31 August 2009 (UTC)


I'm going to say that if he/she really wants to remain anonymous, they should be allowed to.-- Snailey Talk to Me Email me 02:11, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. S/he and I have exchanged email about this and I'm fine with it (it's a pseudonym s/he uses across the Internet). Having thought about it, I admit it was very pushy of me. The thing was that since one of the functions this site performs admirably well is to clear everything up, I was worried that we were going to start having people put their IM or whatever as their composer name. On the other hand, we can't really force people to put their real name...but since it's a widely used pseudonym, like a few others we already have on this site, my argument dissolved into nothingness. Did not think too hard about that one. Sorry again... KGill talk email 20:23, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
Perlnerd, I'm afraid I disagree. I actually believe KGill acted correctly by wishing to establish a real identity for the submitter. Pseudonymity is only step removed from anonymity, and there can be tricky copyright issues with such submissions. I'd argue that although the submitter may wish their public identity to remain pseudonymous, it is a legal risk for IMSLP not to privately be aware of the identity of the submitter. If KGill has established some info on the real identity of the submitter by way of e-mail correspondence then that is fine - otherwise, we need to give notice that the mode of submission is unacceptable and IMSLP reserves the right to remove the files. (Basically at some point, we need to establish that e.g. "Peter Warlock" really is (or was, rather) Philip Heseltine. If you don't want to be known, then don't publish!) Regards, Philip Legge @ © talk 01:43, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
Well...*shuffles feet* I haven't actually established information on his/her true identity beyond the clues an email address gives, I've merely established that the name is a true pseudonym (as opposed to just a username, which is what I feared and why I brought it up in the first place). However, I am kind of swayed by your argument of one's real identity at least being known from the perspective of copyright reviewing. KGill talk email 02:06, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
Is it really a problem? I'm obviously no legal expert, but I was once told that for example by German law (or maybe even EU, I'm not sure), copyright for a pseudonymous work simply expires 70 years (or so) after publication (since the date of death of the author cannot be known). Quick googling suggests that a similar rule holds for example in the US.
(Besides, how would we positively establish the true identity anyway, beyond "well, it sounds like a real name"? Ask for a copy of the birth certificate? What if it's a fake? Oh, wait... ) --Leonard Vertighel 05:01, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
What if we get sued by someone claiming to be the "real" composer? Philip Legge @ © talk 05:12, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
Yes, but the same problem exists with an unverified "real-sounding" composer name. Can we positively establish an ID? If not, what's the point of a rule we cannot enforce? --Leonard Vertighel 05:14, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
Well, that's kind of the case for anyone putting their own music on here without a bona fide copyright notice. Would the fact that it's under cc-by-nc necessitate a 'real' (e.g. legal) name? How deep does 'attribution' go? (I've actually been wondering this for a while.) And at the same time, can this site really become more of a directory of usernames rather than 'real' names?
Is it really possible to enforce the rule of only non-copyrighted (or permission granted) work for living composers if the policy is to ask people through their talk pages whether or not they are the composer/rightful copyright holder? I agree with Leonard- it doesn't exactly provide any verification... KGill talk email 16:16, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

CC licenses are definitely compatible with pseudonymity, otherwise major sites like Wikipedia (now under CC-BY-SA), Flickr and many others could not operate the way they do. In fact, pseudonyms are explicitly mentioned in the license text of e.g. CC-BY-NC 3.0, section 4c. --Leonard Vertighel 16:45, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Reger Work List

Thanks for retrospectively updating the list by opus number. I enhanced the list by genre months ago, but must have missed the opus page. Right on... :)

You're welcome :-). I should probably be thanking you for creating the list in the first place (along with various others). KGill talk email 01:00, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

The apparent redundancy in the CopyVio template

Hi KGill,

Hope you don't mind if I roll back that edit to the template. That little tag in the template you edited away had two purposes: the first use was to advertise that the box was actually generated by a template, so that anyone could go away and use it themselves as needed.

The second reason for including the usage, is that I find if I haven't used a particular template for sometime, then I tend to forget the way the arguments work: so the presence of the shorthand in small text in one corner is just there to jog my memory. It's a pain to specify a template, save the page and notice the formatting is all bizarre as a result. That's all its there for...

Regards, Philip Legge @ © talk 01:30, 4 September 2009 (UTC)


Dear KGill!

I´m a new user of IMSLP and so I have a question. Last week I´ve added a new site for the composer G.B.Perucchini. By this way I´ve added some ariette and cycles. If I´m logged in, I can see all this works.But if I´m not logged in, I can see only the "Sei Ariette", not the other cycles. Is there a problem with the other compositions? Have I made a mistake? Best wishes Bassani

Hi! Don't worry, you haven't made any mistakes. For those not logged in, composer categories take a little while (I think 3 days) to update. The newer pages should be visible pretty soon. KGill talk email 19:02, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Heinrich Albert

Hey - do you know what happened to the pieces of the composers I just added? (Heinrich Albert and Heinrich Seibt)? :X -jujimufu 21:13, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Looks like Perlnerd deleted them because they weren't PD. KGill talk email 21:15, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
How come? They were published in 1915.. This is from a collection of scores all of which were purchased before 1923 (which is when the collector died). They are available here: . Does Perlnerd know the editor (who may have died later and thus extend the copyright)? No editor was mentioned in the score.. Please let me know, because I don't want to go on with the same batch of scores and end up having them all removed. -jujimufu 21:18, 24 October 2009 (UTC) clue. WorldCat only gives '1985-87' as the publication date, but that obviously makes no sense. Maybe you should ask Perlnerd... KGill talk email 21:23, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Oops...restoring...I saw the 1985 date...-- Snailey Talk to Me Email me 21:37, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Hey KGill, can you restore this page too:,_Antoine_de - I think it was one of the pages deleted with the stuff above. Thanks! (let me know when you do so I can upload more pieces) -jujimufu 21:38, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
Sure! Category:Lhoyer, Antoine de But I don't know about the piece you uploaded to it before (not being a CR). KGill talk email 21:40, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
Righty. I'll ask Perlnerd. Thanks lots :) -jujimufu 21:45, 25 October 2009 (UTC)


Yes, you're right :) Sorry about that, will make sure to do that in the future. Did you fix that one yourself or should I do it? -jujimufu 09:47, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

I already did it. And it's all right :-) KGill talk email 21:31, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
Thanks! :) -jujimufu 11:47, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Joseph Abaco

Hi, Shouldn't this composer be listed with the same surname - Dall'Abaco - as his father, the more famous composer Evaristo Felice Dall'Abaco? I haven't checked the LC name and title authorities yet, but it strikes me a very strange to have a son listed under a different version of the surname. Carolus 04:46, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

LC seems to list him as 'Abaco, Joseph-Marie-Clément dall' ', or 'Abaco, Joseph Clemens dall' '. From this, it would seem that Dall' counts as a preposition of the surname, so I'm guessing that both of these categories should be changed to reflect that? (N.B.: Wikipedia seems to give the son's principal name as without the preposition, even though it allows the full form of the father's.) KGill talk email 20:41, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
And happily, after creating a new category, I discover that the primary authority record gives yet something else, so I'll change it again... KGill talk email 21:01, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

First Editions

If you're interested in a cleanup project, check out Template:FE, and start working ;)-- Snailey Talk to Me Email me 21:04, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Happy to help. Just to clarify, I need to look up the date of composition if it's not present to verify if it's actually a first edition? KGill talk email 21:07, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Date of first publication...but we don't need the actual date if you know it's the first edition-- Snailey Talk to Me Email me 22:41, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

You know, I'm not sure about this project. I mean, it's difficult to even find pages with first editions. Google worked at first, but now I'm just getting tons of irrelevant results. The only other systematic option I can see is just looking through Category:Scores alphabetically- which I daresay is kind of a nightmare. I may just return to adding links to worklists... KGill talk email 03:21, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

It's just a kind of, "Oh, there's one!" thing. Just think of it as a background thing. Also, "Random Page" usually turns up something in need of some sort of cleanup.-- Snailey Talk to Me Email me 03:40, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

The Harmonium (Hall, King)

Hi KGill,

that's my source: Thanks and regards --Ralph Theo Misch 01:06, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Zelenka Picture Caption

I think the picture is better removed entirely- according to Wikipedia at least, there is no surviving image of Zelenka, and the "image" of Zelenka we are using is of another composer entirely... is it out of line for me to do this? Thanks... Eric 20:50, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Done. And no, it's not out of line, it's wholly within the wiki spirit :-) KGill talk email 21:29, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks :) Eric 21:32, 5 December 2009 (UTC)


Hello again,

I noticed while browsing Alkan that 'Jean qui pleure et Jean qui rit' is unprintable. Do you have some way of changing that? (And can you cure Jean's bipolar disorder?)
On the same page, the "Transciptions - Beethoven" should probably be renamed... right.
I haven't forgotten the Honegger numbers. Can I rename pages myself (if so, how?), or do I give you the list of H. numbers and let you do it?
Thanks, Physicist 20:28, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

For the scan of Jean, if you mean it's of very low quality, I'm sorry but I can't do anything about it. If it were color, I could make a B/W version; if it were uncompressed, I could compress it (except ImageMagick is broken on my computer and won't accept PDFs as input); but it's simply a low-quality image. Not much more to say, except hopefully someone will eventually upload a better one. As for the Beethoven transcriptions, there is precedent for including sets of transcriptions in the page of the transcriber; see other pages of Alkan, or Hermann, etc.
Since you are an 'autoconfirmed' user, you have permission to move pages: just press the 'move' button on the top of most pages, and it will let you specify a new name for the page. KGill talk email 21:07, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, I misunderstood about Jean. It looks like the file was locked, and Hobbypianist has uploaded a new version of it. KGill talk email 21:13, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Some time ago I replaced several Alkan files with unlocked versions but it seems I've missed one. If you find more let me know and I'll remove this insane encryption. By the way, do you happen to know if the ?action=purge still works? I've tried both with the work page and the file page but it always loaded the old pdf. Anyway, the new one is available now. Hobbypianist 21:30, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

It must work, because I only see the new file. (I guess that could be because I deleted the old one, since it was an unlinked duplicate.) Although now that you mention it, I'm not entirely sure that it works- for instance, Category:Composers unclassified by nationality still only holds pages that have been edited since it came into existence (i.e. since the composer template was edited, which was weeks ago). I've tried purging various pages, which makes no difference. Or maybe that doesn't have anything to do with it...Anyway, if I happen to discover any more, I will let you know. Thanks, KGill talk email 21:42, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
Sorry I didn't make myself clearer. "Jean qui..." was literally unprintable. My problem with the name of the Alkan-Beethoven page is the typo ("transciption"). But since I have permission to rename things, I can fix it myself... Okay, I guess I did. Thanks for your help. Physicist 01:56, 8 December 2009 (UTC)


Thank you for all about Rolla. I made that disaster and I don't have enought time (and patience) to correct it. Thank you again. Carmar1791

Thank you for providing us with the BI system. It helps when there are something like 10 different Op.3s. :-) You're very much welcome. KGill talk email 01:02, 8 December 2009 (UTC)