Hello again. Our list of work types is based on one compiled by the Music Library Association, and they single out "Part songs" as a heading to be avoided because it has no generally-accepted definition. For tagging purposes we use "secular choruses" instead (or "songs" for multi-voice works without chorus). A lot of these issues were discussed before you joined the tagging team, so feel free to check if you're not sure — P.davydov 06:48, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
<edit> I just saw that "part songs" had been added by someone else (not you) to the list of categories on the tagging page, and this cause for confusion has now been removed — P.davydov 06:52, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
Hello again!Do you have any idea where I can find a score for Ritorno d'Ulisse in Patria by Monteverdi,with the vocal parts written in the violin key?I would be very grateful! Thanks in advance! Asoprano
Please excuse me,my English is not so good...Yes,a score in more common clefs,if there is one.
Hallo Massenetique, these two pieces had oboe d'amore as solo instrument listed, but the unspecified solo part is notated in Bb, includes doublestops in the inner movements: most likely viola d'amore (violetta). I inquired with Graupner 2010 and they changed their entries now. So I just corrected both works here as well, including the change in the tag. --Kalliwoda 09:49, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
Dear Massenetique, I was searching infos about some French publishers (specially Flaxland and Farrenc) and with the guidance of Carolus, I've found and consulted a precious book on this subject : DEVRIES Anik & LESURE François : Dictionnaire des éditeurs de musique français - Vol.3 "De 1820 à 1914". Through this, it became clear to me why the chronology of plate numbers are so strange for our Heugel's page. I've seen you've made an big big work on it. So, may you have a look at the discussion we had with Carolus on his talk page - section Farrenc concluded, and on the page Heugel/Dating I created ? Tell me. Sorry for my odd English. Best, Squin 10:13, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
Daphnis, it seems that he hasn't it 'cause he suggest me this book for dating when I had problems with flaxland. I found it on Ircam Library (near my home) but I wasn't allowed to borrow it. So, I've took manuscript notes. Carolus suggest me to send you a table for Durand's publications due to the work you've made on that page. (see Carolus talk page). I'll do that in few days (you can't reach this book anymore ?) Squin 16:54, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
(from my talk page) BTW, I've figured out a back-door way to have the NYPL stuff without the infernal Microsoft logos: From archive.org, you can download a zip of the original JPGs. These have no logos and can be complied into a single PDF. Check out Arthur Sullivan's Prodigal Son vocal score as issued by Schirmer (a much nicer engraving than the 1869 Boosey). Carolus 00:10, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
Hi Massenetique. Just to let you know that I moved him to Vurm, Vasiliĭ Vasilevich (a close approximation of the LC name - probably they use the Russian spelling because he was a professor in St. Petersburg and died in Russia) from the German-spelled category you originally created. If you have any alternate suggestions then I'd be happy to hear them. (Also, I'm curious where you got those dates - are they old style, perchance? MusicSack gives 20 June as the death date, but that's from a 1936 source and I found a contradictory one from ca.1990s.) Cheers, KGill talk email 01:56, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
Hi Massenetique, you're one of three admins/librarians (p.davydov, KGill, and Massenetique) that Carolus suggested I contact regarding the formatting of titles for the composer William Wallace Gilchrist. As none of his works were assigned an opus number I've been posting them in the format of "Title, Schleifer nnn" which references the number in Gilchrist's catalog of works compiled by Martha Furman Schleifer. Carolus was wondering if there was a preferred abbreviation for referencing Schleifer's assigned catalog number. I certainly have no idea. I've posted this query to the other two admins/librarians as well. Many thanks!--Cypressdome 06:15, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
Hi Massenetique, just to let you know that he's been moved to Tagliafico, Dieudonné in accordance with IMSLP:Composer Names. (LC does cite Grove, so I think it's reasonable to stick with them in this case.) Cheers, KGill talk email 01:26, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
Dear Massenetique, I've retagged Tariot's Apparition and one other, because we decided sometime near the beginning of the tagging project that the generic tag for narrated pieces would be "melodrama". Thanks, Steltz
Hi Massenetique, just to let you know that searching on VIAF without his middle name revealed that more than one library (including LC) refers to him as Saran, August. Cheers, KGill talk email 02:42, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
Hi Massenetique. You are currently in consideration to become an IMSLP administrator. Being asked to join the moderation team is a sign that you are considered to have the responsibility, good judgement, and dedication to gain and use a set of extra privileges (page and file deletion, blocking other users, and so forth). Would you consent to being promoted? Thanks, KGill talk email 20:07, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
Hi, just to let you know that he's been moved to De Giosa, Nicola - apparently, that's how Grove lists him, and LC followed suit. Cheers, KGill talk email 00:38, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for finding this...I can't believe I somehow overlooked this in my quest to find and upload all of his works. I'll be getting my hands on a physical copy of this to scan and upload soon. Daphnis 00:55, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
I gather from observation and experience that if you want an amendment to MediaWiki:Genres to take effect, you have to put it in in two places - the category hierarchy and the 'big list' - so for the last one "for voice, harp" would have to go into the category hierarchy (in the alphabetical place after the two "for voice, harmonium" ones) Eric 10:33, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
I do apologize for the way I put that though- I shouldn't make edits of any kind at 5 in the morning (local). Thanks your way too. Eric 18:23, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
Dear Massenetique, is there any chance to find a full score of Massenet's oratorio "Marie Magdeleine" or perhaps even of orchestral parts. I would so much appreciate to find them, but there seems to be no source for them - do you have better information? Thanks for your reply. --Thomas Gebhardt 09:55, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for your message. No problem Massenetique... I work on it... but, due to the massive work you've done before on it, I prefered to have your agreement first.... I will modifiy a lot of things. --Squin 19:38, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
...Better watch out, or his grandson will label you as a terrorist! :) Carolus 05:17, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
Hi,
I wonder if we should get rid of this page instead of making it a redirect as we will no doubt end up with a score of the original "Indigo" at some point in the future. Carolus 03:47, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
for the same reason that Beethoven's Hammerklavier sonata is not, I think, tagged sonatas ; scherzos ; adagios ; preludes ; fugues ; pf a set of pieces for piano, unless the pieces' names are in the title or subtitle (like "prelude and fugue for piano") generally I am given to understand anyway, just get tagged pieces ; pf :)... best!!! Eric 06:39, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
you mean between members of the categorization project?... (admins are an orthogonal group)? far as I know. I do know it's what I've been asked to do. I recommend checking the archives of IMSLP_talk:Categorization/Project_Members - will do so myself when more awake... Eric 07:00, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
Hi Massenetique. Please remember that an arrangement of a work (usually an opera) which forms a kind of rhapsodic fantasy on it rather than transcribing a specified section of it should get its own page under the 'arranger' (think Liszt), with cross-references between it and the page for the original work. (See here for an example.) I think all the Louis Cramer items you uploaded today will have to be farmed out to their own pages in this manner. Thanks, KGill talk email 21:44, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
Hi, Since you're always so good about adding this info, you should know that we're going to the YYYY-MM-DD format to facilitate readability via APIs and the like, as we are starting use the "General Information" section as a means to help integrate with the iPad app and future things of this nature. Performance date also comes into play when determining the status of posthumous publications in Canada and other countries. (Yes, I know, it looks sort of 'computerese'). Carolus 06:29, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
You'll see shortly. Carolus 06:33, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
Hi, I'm wondering if adding the items to the entry for a Merton file - arranged as it is in the unusual format, will be confusing - with all the instruction and CLICK HERE text. Carolus 03:18, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
Augener scores from Toronto
Thank you for your excellent Lachner Trios from Toronto.
I am in the process of uploading Kreuz Trio for the same combination (va va p) Op 21 from my own scan.
If you find it, possibly in Toronto, I would appreciate your uploading the Kreuz Four duos for violin and viola op 39 1895 and the Trio Facile for v vc p op 31 1893.
Strangely the Merton collection had the two works for v va p but not the op 31 trio.
Regards WB
Hi Massenetique. Just wanted to let you know that it looks like you've only actually uploaded one file here - the double entry is actually two copies of the same file. Cheers, KGill talk email 19:14, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
Cyrillic/translating Russian- I've found things like the Russian and English Wikipedias, and some other services, occasionally helpful when used cautiously :)! Eric 12:05, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
From its cover (which describes it as part of the series- Lee & Walker imprint poss pasted over the original cover, US copyright laws were very odd - weak - for much of the 19th century when it came to European copyright to my very limited knowledge) and HMB and Google-books search, very much seems to be part of a collection of "Vaterlandslieder" originally published by Schott (and possibly others) in the 1860s or earlier - 1849 even, from praise given the series in the NZM - and probably reprinted by Lee & Walker. Probably (most likely) should be moved to Vaterlandslieder (Beyer, Ferdinand). Your thoughts? Eric 12:51, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
No worries, one often has to move things around as information improves, i hope I have the right place for it - HMB suggests that Beyer's Marseilleise transcription in the Vaterlandslieder series (which again the cover suggests this was a part of :) ) was released by Schott in 1865 (not nec. its first issue but the first issue I can find mentioned in a simple search.) So will do! Eric 17:56, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
Hi Massenetique. You may have seen the forum topic about a possible shortage of copyright reviewers this fall (I'm not sure if Carolus is taking his yearly month-long vacation in September, and I will not be able to contribute much starting Sept. 3 and essentially continuing until late December). How serious this will actually be is very much up in the air, but in any case, it would be prudent to increase the number of members on the active team. Would you be interested in taking the new test? Thanks, KGill talk email 01:10, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
Hi Massenetique. I noticed that you listed the piece as having only one plate number, which is understandable since it is the plate number for the piano reduction. However, the parts have separate plate numbers, and even separate publication dates. The piano score was published in 1920, while the parts were published in 1922. Yours respectfully, Emery 03:43, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
Hi again. It doesn't matter if Goossens is PD in Canada in this particular case. The reason is because it's public domain in the US being published before 1923. It should be moved to the US server. I'm not quite sure what the protocol is, however, so I may have done wrong by uploading it in the first place. For some reason I must have assumed Daphnis or someone similar would move it to accordingly. Respectfully, Emery 03:51, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
It was wrong of me to upload, sorry. I thought that I would send a message to Daphnis, who has access to the US server, and ask him if he could possibly upload the files to the US server. It was my intention for the files to remain blocked until that could happen; but again, sorry since that wasn't an appropriate course of action. I didn't realize. Respectfully, Emery 04:32, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
I noticed that you uploaded scores for the rest of Opus 9, without this quartet. If you could upload a score for Opus 9 #2, that would be great.
Hi Massenetique. Before I make a catalog system for Stravinsky, I'd like your opinion on the Sortable list of works by Igor Stravinsky I created earlier this month. Any criticism or questions you might have would be appreciated. Thanks, Lndlewis10 04:53, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
Massenetique, having got a piece of software for writing scores up to a standard that could be used to create sets of parts for the Haydn quartets, I intended to start type setting the scores that had been posted already + my collection. I see that you have now made such a project largely redundant. No problem, they will be appreciativly used. I note that there are a small number of holes and I wondered if you were planning on filling them, I would hate to spend a lot of time if you were going to do a better job than I could ever do.
In addition, I have a Payne's mini score of Op9/2 as requested above. There is no copyright date or notice. Do you think that would do?
Op47 17:55, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
I had no idea they were engaged in such extensive publishing activity in St. Petersburg. Very interesting series of uploads from the RSL. Great work. Carolus 02:44, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
It looks like they were engraved locally. A comparison with the work of the Paris issues reveals differences in the characters (punches) used. These look more like items issued by Stellovsky and other Russian publishers. One learns something new every day around here... Carolus 03:31, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for the addition—in the future, just make sure to keep the text of the page above the "</noinclude>" tag to keep it off the main page. Thanks-- Snailey (_@/) Talk to Me Email me 19:02, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
Why do you think the H. in Labadie stands for Hippolyte? // 2. It is looking likely that actually H. Labadie was yet-another-alias (like H. Alberti) of Wilhelm Popp, unless I miss my guess. Eric 06:36, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
... hrm. ... In general I wouldn't agree- people "arrange" works by their alternate identities as something of a game, if memory serves... - but I do believe you are right here. Anyhow, backtracking, the Worldcat listing is from (very little in Worldcat originates from Worldcat, except, erm, for mistakes. :) ) - from the Zentralbibliothek Zurich, which has one entry for Hippolyte Labadie in their catalog (the orchestral material- 28 parts, Fritsche Plate K.F.6- for Sur l'onde/Meereswogen op25 which however in the body of the entry is still given as "H. Labadie" suggesting- more than suggesting- that on the music itself it is still H. Labadie, and that "Hippolyte" is a librarian/editorial intervention. The mystery deepens unfortunately. There are several- not very many - appearances of "H. Labadie" in Google Books, just about none of Hippolyte Labadie anywhere I can find offhand, making me wonder if my search is just not flexible enough or - well, something... perhaps "up wrong tree, barking"! Eric 13:25, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
I saw yours and thought, always good to be able to augment a category (esp. a new category) a bit :) Eric 02:22, 16 August 2011 (UTC) (that said, I'm not absolutely 100% positive about the identification of the work I put in there- the score says Ave Maria and Allegro, which doesn't quite match anything I see in Fessy's worklist- conceivably it's even a work of a relative of his - but I am assuming it's his opus 10 as mentioned in HMB and Worldcat, which seems a very close match. Alas even years after hearing Schubert's Serenade for the first time I don't recognize it well enough to know if it's what Fessy's Allegro is based on!)
Dear Massenetique, just to let you know that I changed the tag on this. The "melodies" tag is only used for French vocal works. When instrumental pieces have titles or subtitles that are "melodies", they get tagged "pieces". Steltz 20:36, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
the opus number applies to the -entire- Reissiger opera die Felsenmühle op71 : this from a contemporary (1831) issue of AMZ which sold a piano reduction of the entire opera with opus number attached, not just the overture. Eric 11:33, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
Many apologies for that. I did have reasons for the first redirect but did not explain it at the time. (At least one source I can find is AMZ, Nov 1831, page 39. As a rule I do prefer contemporary sources- where relevant and possible- over modern sources (even Grove) but "relevant and possible" are not always both true; e.g. Mozart's two sets of early violin sonatas I agree should not still be (both) referred to as Opus 1 as they were when published...) Eric 12:16, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
