User talk:Michrond


Creative Commons Licenses, etc.

Dear Composer or Copyright Owner,

Welcome to IMSLP/Petrucci Music Library! As a composer or other copyright proprietor, please take time to carefully review the Creative Commons and Performance Restricted licenses including the full licenses in PDF format. Generally speaking, the best version to employ for new works is either the Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivs 4.0 or the Performance Restricted Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivs 3.0. These allow for free downloading of the items you post, yet prohibits anyone who downloads the files from IMSLP from selling the files (on Ebay, for example), or from giving public performances on an explicitly commercial basis, making recordings of the work without written permission in advance from you, the composer and copyright owner. However, if you are affiliated with a performing rights society such as SOCAN (Canada), ASCAP, BMI or SESAC (USA), SACD, SACEM or SEAM (France), SABAM (Belgium), GEMA (Germany), PRS (UK), SGAE (Spain), SIAE (Italy), Artisjus (Hungary), ZAIKS (Poland), IPRS (India), JASRAC (Japan), or any of the myriad of similar agencies present in this Wikipedia listing, please note that at least some of these agencies refuse to honor the Creative Commons licenses. You should therefore seriously consider using one of the several IMSLP Performance Restricted Licenses for any works posted here if you are affiliated with a performance rights society.

For those uploading the first time, please remember choose the menu option "Add Your Own Composition" when uploading your original works (even if they are scans of manuscripts or printouts), "Add Your Own Arrangement" or "(Re)Typeset" when uploading new arrangements, and "Add Your Own Edition" or "(Re)Typeset" when uploading new editions of public domain works. As it is normally assumed that composers and arrangers have edited their own work, please leave the "Editor" field empty unless another person has actually edited your work (in which case their name should be inserted). Note also that the English term "Editor" is not the equivalent of the French editeur or Italian editore. "Editor" refers to the person who reviewed and corrected the piece, while the French and Italian words are closer to the English word "publisher". In the "Publisher" field, please use your own full legal name, as making your scores and sound files available for free download on this site constitutes "publication" under the laws of most countries in the world. (Note that this is done automatically when using the new upload tools). Please do not list your works as "public domain" as it is not legally possible for your works to be fully public domain under the 'moral rights' provisions of many copyright statutes around the world. Composers and other copyright owners should be aware that Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 is very similar to public domain as it allows for the unrestricted copying, performance (live and broadcast) and recording of the work (including explicitly commercial use) at no charge, with no compensation or royalties payable to the composer or copyright owner for such commercial exploitation. Note also that the all of the above licenses are considered to be IRREVOCABLE once a file has been uploaded under the lawful copyright owner's authorization.

PS: As long as you have not actually inserted a particular Creative Commons license in the PDF file itself, you are free to change the license after upload to something more suitable. However, any restrictions under an updated license are only applicable to copies of the files downloaded after the date of amendment. Copies downloaded before amendment date are likely subject to the original license terms, so please choose carefully. Composers are also encouraged to make use of our new template {{NoPerf}}, which automatically places works into a new category - Unperformed Works. To add this template to your pages, simply copy and paste the little template above (curly brackets and all) into the "First Performance" field of the "General Information" section on all work pages.

Best Wishes,

Carolus 07:39, 27 November 2011 (UTC) (IMSLP Copyright Admin)

PS: For additional and more detailed explanation, please visit our Composer Portal page.

Your uploads

Dear Michael,

Why on earth have you uploaded a number or what apparently are original compositions of yours to the work page for a piece by Stubbs where you have an arrangement listed? This creates a fairly ugly mess for us to clean up. Works get their own workpages, though all arrangements of a given work, as well as sections of larger works go on the page for the original work. I'll move everything but I have no idea what it will do as far as redirects from WIMA are concerned. Please read and review IMSLP:Quick_Guide_to_Score_Submission before uploading things, and take the time to carefully review the procedures for uploading WIMA files. Thanks, Carolus 03:12, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Please Stop Uploading Files

Dear Michel, You really need to take some time of read or ask another person about the basics of how things are set up here before uploading more works. Do not upload different pieces to the same page - unless they are part of a larger work, like movements of a sonata or concerto. It takes too much time for us to stop the copyright tagging for WIMA files being uploaded by the hundreds to create work pages and move the files you incorrectly uploaded to the wrong page. Another problem I noticed is that you seem to use generic titles a lot, such as "Fugue in B-flat major", so we end up having to modify these to something like "Fugue for 3 Trumpets in B-flat major" in order to keep it form being confused with the "Fugue for 4 Trumpets in B-flat major". What will we do if you composed five works described as "Fugue for 3 Trumpets in B-flat major"? Number them "Fugue for 3 Trumpets in B-flat major No.1", etc.? If you've composed 25 fugues for 3 trumpets, consider numbering them 1-25. That way, you could even create a single page for "25 Fugues for 3 Trumpets." Take a careful and detailed look at the page which have already been set up for your works and try to follow the general pattern and style used. Also take a look at how other composers pages are organized here. That's how you get experience in using the site. Thanks, Carolus 08:23, 25 November 2011 (UTC) (IMSLP Admin)

Suites for Strings

Dear Michel, Why on earth did you divide the parts for the above work into individual movements - mostly of 1 or 2 pages each? With each of the suites at 5 movements (so far), this creates a minimum of 20 parts for each suite, not counting alternates for Violins 3 or 4. As one can easily see, there are already 120 parts files on the page for the 13 suites and you've only uploaded 4 of the 13. This is borderline incoherent. Kindly refrain from uploading any additional items until you provide some sort of explanation for this - and a possible solution. We will need several days to look over your list of works at WIMA in order to try and have them here without creating a complete trainwreck. Do not upload anything else!! Thanks, Carolus 07:23, 27 November 2011 (UTC) (IMSLP Admin)

UPDATE: I see that the 13 suites are for diverse instrumentation. We will need to create 13 different work pages for these instead of loading them all onto a single page. I note that the Michel Rondeau listing at WIMA includes arrangements of works by other composers, folksongs, traditional carols, etc. IMSLP handles this type of thing very differently from WIMA. I will go ahead and create work pages for your original compositions, which will enable you to easily use the WIMA-IMSLP upload tools once they are set up. At any rate - I repeat - Do not upload anything else until I have created work pages here in your composer category Thanks, Carolus 07:34, 27 November 2011 (UTC)


Hello Michel, I have created pages for a few more items now. You can go ahead and upload the following items: Suites Nos.5, 6, 7 and 8. the Little Baroque Suite and the 10 Piano Sonatinas. Please use the first 4 suites as models for your uploads of the others. I see that it has been a long-standing WIMA policy to have the parts split into separate movements. We will have to work on the merger of files over time, which will take some planning to deal with the redirects from WIMA. Thanks, Carolus 05:51, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Uploading Files again

Please do not create duplicate pages for works that are already listed in your composer category!!! Why was it necessary for you to create superfluous pages for Suites 1, 5 and 6?? Did you look in your composer category? We had to move the things you uploaded to the needless pages you created to the correct ones. Since it's possible you cannot see the newly created pages due to the browser cache not having updated on your computer, I'll add direct links to them on this page (see below) as I create them.

In the file description field, please do not repeat the title of the piece. When you have differently named movements, use the name of the movement. Otherwise, if it is just a single score which is the only item going on the work page, use Complete Score (Complete Performance or MIDI Performance for audio and MIDI files). See the linked piece here to see how it is supposed to look. For now, I think it is best that we limit you to about 3 works per day until you learn the details of how to do it. Some of your WIMA colleagues, Albert Folop in particular, have become extremely good at adding things - all I have to do is tag their uploads. Here are two work pages which you can add things to tomorrow.

Thanks, Carolus 08:45, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

OK, not too bad. Two things: 1) Do not repeat work titles in the "File descriptions". It is best to put in only the movement title, or the Instrument name in the case of individual parts. 2) Be sure to put in the text "Michel Rondeau" in the "Publisher Info" field. Take a careful look at the pages which you uploaded to yesterday to see how the file descriptions and publisher field should look. Here are the next few items - we might as well get started on your symphonies:

So, please do not include the work title "Symphony No.1 (or 2, 3, 4)" in the file descriptions. Simply put in the movement tempi for the scores and the MIDI (or MP3) files, and the instrument names in the parts files. If you like, you can add the movement number at the end of the instrument name, like "Flute 2 (I)" "Clarinet 3 (IV)" in the file descriptions for parts. Once you get the system down, we'll be able to add things faster.

Thanks, Carolus 07:08, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Very Good. Two minor things: 1. Simply use the Roman numeral and the movement title in the file descriptions for audio or midi uploads; 2. when uploading parts, keep them in conventional score order (flutes on top, contrabasses on bottom). See the Symphonies 1, 2, or 4 for how it should look. Be careful to make sure you're getting the correct file. There were a couple of missing ones as you will see when you look over the pages for the items uploaded yesterday. Add the missing files and we will merge them to their correct place. For the choral symphonies, please add the "Choir and Solosts" parts separately under the "Vocal Scores" tab. Use Roman numeral and movement title for the file descriptions just as you would for the full score.

Since 6 and 7 are fairly large, we'll just do three this time. Thanks, Carolus 07:48, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Symphony No.7 'Requiem' (Rondeau, Michel)

Hi Michel. Just to let you know that for movement no.2, the two flute parts uploaded are actually two entries to the flute 1 part. Thanks, KGill talk email 00:55, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Hello Michel, I will need to take a break from creating pages for your works until late Sunday. (I have a concert). Take a couple of days off. You're really learning fast, so I expect you will have your entire catalogue up in a short time. Your efforts are appreciated, and make the tagging job easier. Thanks and Best Wishes, Carolus 08:01, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

More Uploads

Hello Michel, Back to the uploading. It looks like you're doing fine with this, so here are the next five titles:

Best Wishes, Carolus 03:06, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Good job. We'll be taking a break from this for the next few days. Thanks, Carolus 07:16, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Happy New Year! I see you're ready to go again, it's a good time to do it now. Now that you have some experience, please observe that we always try to use the plural for the string parts (unless you're writing for solo strings, obviously) - Violins I, Violins II, Violas, etc. and the we add the transposition designation after the name itself in parens - Horn 1 (F), Trumpet 2 (C). Arabic numbers are used for one-on-a-part instruments (winds, typically) while Roman numbers are used for parts played by groups (strings). Take note also of the following bit of code (a template) used for the flat-designated instrument transpositions B{{flat}} gives you B. Look at Symphony No.16 (Rondeau, Michel) now that it's organized to see how these should appear. Thanks, Carolus 04:57, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Hello again. The uploads seem to be going pretty nicely. The double uploading was fairly easy to fix. I did notice a couple of spots where a PDF file was upload as part of the MP3 file-stack in the audio section, so you might want to check on the recent ones for missing movements in the audio, as it will not take PDFs there. Here are the next batch of symphonies, at your pleasure. Carolus 05:53, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Another batch

Another batch

Eventually, it would be a very good idea to combine the files so that all movements are together for each instrumental part (Flute 1, mvts. I, II, III, IV = Flute 1 for the whole work). So, instead of 84 separate parts split into 4 movements, there would be only 21 different parts to be downloaded. Take a look at any of the standard-repertoire symphonies to see how this is organized (Beethoven, Brahms, Tchaikovsky, Dvorak). I cannot even begin to fathom Werner Icking's reasoning for spitting things up into parts for each separate movement, but that's the way it was done there. Carolus 03:46, 18 January 2012 (UTC)

Symphony No.29

Hi Michrond. You would like all of the files submitted to this page deleted? Respectfully, Emery 16:28, 14 January 2012 (UTC)


Hi Michrond. In the future, please do not create so many duplicated files. For file number 170763 for example, you did not need to create separate three different flute parts. I think it would have been best to label it as "Flutes 1, 2, 3". Also, why do you have duplicates of the exact same thing in the second block of parts? Was that intentional, or did you mean to upload something else? Respectfully, Emery 16:56, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

For example here, you still duplicated files #171504 and #171531. Please either make separate parts or combine them. For example, "Oboes 1, 2". Respectfully, Emery 00:45, 17 January 2012 (UTC)


Dear Michel,

I certainly did not expect you to upload all five of the remaining symphonies today. It resulted in over 500 files to tag, which is really too many for one session - even with the mass tagging tools at my disposal. Pretty good work, so I am happy our little system seems to be functioning. I'll create some more pages for your works over the weekend and you can return to uploading next week. Thanks, 05:20, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

OK, as promised, here's another item: 22 Chorale-Fugues (Rondeau, Michel). Please not that the score and part (or parts) for each of the individual choral-fugues should go beneath the correct subdivision. Since these are smaller pieces in terms of forces required, scores and parts go in the same tab-section. Upload each of the 22 pieces one at a time (you can upload scores and part(s) for an individual piece in one upload, but please do not combine pieces). After you upload, they will all appear at the bottom of the page. For the scores, simply use "1. Complete Score", "2. Complete Score", etc. in the description field, use "5. Trumpet part" (11. Horn part, 13. Oboe part) for the parts as needed. That should be enough for one day, as it's somewhat of a complicated page. Next you can upload Double Concerto in G minor (Rondeau, Michel), which will be just like the symphonies. Thanks, Carolus 07:02, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Cantata in D major (Rondeau, Michel)

Hi Michel. Just to let you know that the trumpet 1 and trumpet 2 parts you uploaded for the first movement are actually the same file (in other words, trumpet 2 was not uploaded). Thanks, KGill talk email 06:45, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Hi, this happened again on Nativity Suite (English) (Rondeau, Michel) with the MIDI files for movements II and III. Thanks, KGill talk email 20:12, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Nice to See

You appear to have learned the basics of uploading here. Congratulations and thanks for your patience and kindness with my somewhat brusque instructions! One thing that helps is to look over things you have uploaded previously to see what minor changes might have been made by the admins, copyright reviewers, etc. Hopefully your entire catalog will soon be available. Since you have done a fair number of arrangements, do keep in mind that arrangements always go on the page for the original work (unless you've created a collection or medley or arrangements of various composers, in which case it can be listed under your own name). Best Wishes, Carolus 04:43, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

OK, you need to slow down. I see there are some problems with today's uploads, so let's go over a few points:

  1. Works always go under their original composer. For example, Away in a Manger was composed by William James Kirkpatrick (1838-1921). It will therefore be moved to his category. Moreover, all versions you make of this piece should go on the same page.
  2. All versions of any given work go on the same page - even for your own works. Apart from a few exceptional cases (like orchestral suites from some of the major ballets and operas), we do not have multiple pages for the same basic work
  3. Uploading more than 100 files is not a very good idea as there are typically no more than 2 copyright reviewers to clean up pages and approve titles at a time. There are now over 250 titles awaiting review, which is bit much if there is cleanup involved.
  4. When two like instruments share a part, whether on a single staff or a two-staff system, the correct nomenclature is "Trumpet 1/2", not "Trumpet 1,2". Trumpet 1, 2 is used to indicate two separate parts in the same file. Also, we really like contributors to learn to employ our template for 'flat' when indicating a transposing instrument. The template is {{flat}}. This way "Trumpet 1/2 (Bb) becomes the much nicer "Trumpet 1/2 (B)"
  5. The File description field should not have the work title, but a description of the file, unless the file is a section (like a movement) or a larger work. This will most often be "Complete Score" (scores) or "Complete Parts" (a set of parts), Trumpet 1/2 (a single part for two instruments), Trumpet 1, 2 (two parts in a single file or document), "Complete Performance" (a recording of a real performance), "MIDI Performance" or "Virtual Performance" (MIDIs or audio files created from MIDI or synthesized performances). Names of sections or movements are commonly used for scores divided into multiple files and recordings. Carolus 01:42, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

You will need stop uploading anything other than original compositions until further notice. This was not a good place to resume uploading as arrangements are more complicated to deal with than original works. It will probably take us two or three days to sort these out. Take a look at some of the ones which are done (like In dulci jubilo) to see how this works. Thanks, Carolus 04:39, 2 February 2012 (UTC)


Hello - when you create a page for an arrangement of an earlier work, the instrumentation and style etc. belong to the original work, not to your arrangement (so in the case of a 2012 brass arrangement of a 1887 vocal work- e.g. Away in A Manger- the instrumentation would be some sort of voices, not brass, combination, and the piece style would be Romantic- for 1887- not Modern - for 2012. Thanks! Eric 21:45, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

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A further word about arrangements vs. original works

Hi Michel,

This is naturally a complicated issue, but the general rule I use to differentiate between the two is this:

  • If you have transcribed or orchestrated a piece in its basic form (number of measures, basic structure, etc.) from the original instrumentation, vocal or chorus setting to a new instrumentation, vocal or chorus setting, it is classified as an arrangement and should go on the page for the original work. You should use the designation "Typeset" when uploading instead of "New Composition". Finding the original composer is sometimes very difficult - especially for things like Christmas Carols. There is much confusion and mis-information about who wrote what when it comes to these, so what you've been doing is basically OK as it is really best left to admins and librarians here to determine the origin of the piece. So, if you have basically orchestated or transcribed a piece, upload the work under your own composer category (Rondeau, Michel), designate the item as a "Typeset" when uploading, and include a note in the comments section about your source material for the orchestration or transcription.
  • When you've made an arrangement which is a Variations on '<Name of Tune>' or Fantasia on '<Name of Tune>', these will actually be classified as original works by you, since they have substantial added original musical material added by you. Use the designation "New Composition" as you normally do.

If you follow these general guidelines, I think we should be able to handle your numerous arrangements reasonably well.

Best Wishes,

Carolus 20:47, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Stop Uploading please

Michel, The file count for review is now up to nearly 500. That's too many for a single person to review in an evening. The additional files to be uploaded will not be vanishing in the next few days, so there is no reason to keep overloading the system here. Thanks, Carolus 00:06, 12 February 2012 (UTC)


Take a careful look at the correct way this is handled: The Holly and the Ivy. Any arrangements you do of this work should go on this page. If you've done a fantasia or a set of variations on this tune, it can appear under your own name as an original work. Anyone interested in your arrangements will still easily see them on your category page - beneath the "Compositions by:" section in the "Arrangements by:" section. It would be a help if when uploading an arrangement you did the following things:

  1. Do not list the work as "modern" in style, but in the correct period (Classical, Baroque, etc.) if known, or "Traditional" if it as folksong.
  2. List the instrumentation as "voices" - unless you happen to know the original version of a work was for a specific ensemble or performing group (mixed chorus, orchestra, etc.)
  3. In the pull-down menu for "File/Image Type" on the "Add File" page, select "(Re)Typesets" for arrangements - using "New Compositions" only for New Compositions

You've actually been doing a good job - so do not get discouraged. The original works are going nicely. Arrangements are always more difficult. It does take time to learn the system of things here, so take your time. Thanks, Carolus 01:33, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

I apologize for the harshness of my tone by the way, but second the advice (that I've given generally, e.g. the Forums) and not just to you :) ) - better a little slower than hurried (in my opinion.) Thank you for your contributions. Eric 15:15, 12 February 2012 (UTC)


Dear Michel,

It appears you uploaded G.1 to the page for G.4. Apart from that it wasn't too bad. I can move the items on the wrong page easily enough. Some additional fine points:

  • File Description field (both score and audio files)
  1. File description field: Don't use terms for file formats in this field like "PDF" or "MP3". The system automatically generates a file-format description, which appears on the upper right side of each file entry.
  2. If you are uploading only a single file for a score or audio, use the terms "Complete Score" (scores), "Complete Performance" (audios) or "Computer realization" (MIDI files and audios generated from MIDIs). It is OK to use "MIDI Performance" even on MP3 files which have been created from MIDI files. Such MP3s should also go under the 'Synthesized/MIDI' tab, as we are trying to differentiate between recordings of actual performances and computer-generated realizations
  3. When you have separate files for each movement of a work, put in the names of the movements (as we did with your symphonies)
  4. When there are separate files for individual instrumental or vocal parts, the name of the part (Flute, Oboe, Soprano, etc.) should go in the field (also done for your symphonies).
We use Roman numbers (I, II, III) to designate parts which are used by sections of more than one player - thus you will see "Violins I, Violins II" - and Arabic numbers for those with a single player (Clarinet 1, Oboe 2, Horn 3).
  • Creating new work pages
  1. As a general rule, we don't include the instrumentation as part of the title. The big exception are works with generic titles such as Concerto, Sonata, Symphony. The rule for such generic titles is to place the solo instrument before the title. This way, a 'Sonata for Violin and Piano' becomes 'Violin Sonata' a 'Concerto for Oboe and String Orchestra' becomes 'Oboe Concerto', etc.
  2. Keys are used as part of the title with composers like Vivaldi and Torelli, who wrote numerous Violin Sonatas, Recorder Sonatas, etc. as they are helpful in identification, even when there are catalog numbers (the exception being a case like Telemann, whose catalog numbers include the key). Keys are always designated with a capital letter for the note, followed by a dash with when a flat or sharp modifier is present (A-flat, C-sharp), followed by the mode in lower case (A-flat major, C-sharp minor, D major, F minor, etc.)
  3. Use catalog numbers where available. The Giegling numbers for Torelli are fine. Use a period after the initial and no space for single-letter catalog numbers like Giegling's (G.1, G.25, etc.).

  • Parts and Scores
  1. It is OK to upload scores and parts together if it is a chamber work with no more than 10 parts or so. Otherwise, it is better to upload the score separately (as we did with your symphonies).
  2. If at all possible, parts should be for the entire work (Flute 1, Oboe 2, etc.) instead of having separate parts for each movement or section of a work. We've already had complaints about this very bizarre practice of splitting parts into separate movements. Unless a particular movement of a work is popular and is often performed as a work on its own, separate parts for movements should be avoided.
  3. Parts are arranged in modern score order, with flutes on top and double basses on the bottom. Solo parts should go at the top, with regular orchestral or ensemble parts beneath - unless it is a chamber piece in which the piano part is also the score (like a piano trio), scores go on top when they are in the same file-group as parts

If you learn these basics, it will save much time and make your scores available to a wide audience that much faster. One way to learn all this is by looking at your earlier pages (the symphonies, for example) to see how things are arranged. You should also look at pages for well-known works like Beethoven and Mozart symphonies, operas, and large chorus works to see how things are laid out. One can learn much about the system we use by simply exploring the site. Thanks, Carolus 04:53, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Good uploading today! No problems of significance. Limit yourself to no more than 5 works or so per day and it should be fine. Carolus 06:45, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
You're forgetting - don't upload scores and parts together for orchestral works. Even when it's only string orchestra and continuo, it's generally best to have the scores available in a separate tab-section. Otherwise pretty good. Keep in mind that the terms "major" and "minor" are unusual in English in that they are not capitalized, even at the end of a title. Thus, the correct format is: "Sinfonia in D major, G.8". It's not a big deal to change it, though. Carolus 00:52, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Beethoven: Turkish March

Dear Michel, This is an example of what not to do. Please do NOT create separate pages for arrangements of works by other composers when we have an existing page for the original work. Arrangements ALWAYS go onto the page for the original version of the piece. This is a fundamental organization principle of the entire site. I now have to go and move all those files to the correct page. The best way to learn how to do things here is to take it slow.

OK, I now see what happened. You have to be very careful about using the template {{WIMAproject}}, you reversed the last two brackets like this {{WIMAproject{{, which caused the entire page to crash and rendered it invisible from the category page for Beethoven. Things enclosed in curly brackets or bracket pairs can really mess up a page if they are not done absolutely perfectly. Please double check before clicking the button. The original Beethoven page is now fixed, and your band arrangement moved there. Carolus 02:50, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Work pages

Dear Michel, Do not create separate work pages for arrangements. Arrangements always go on the work page for the original piece - no exceptions. If you arranged a Jacques Boyvin organ piece for brass, it must go on the same page as the original organ piece. If you have done brass arrangements for each of the suites in a larger work, it might be necessary in some cases to create a separate page some of the suites contained in the large collection issued by the composer such as a "livre pour orgue" which contains several multi-movement suites each based on a different note of the scale. If that is the case, you really need to ask an admin about this. In any case, please do not title a work page with (for brass) as the brass arrangement is by you, not the composer. Also, P.davydov - one of our most experienced librarians here - might have some questions for you about what material you added to some of the pieces that are based on older tunes, etc. We're trying to determine which have enough new material by you to be listed as compositions under your own name and which should be listed as arrangements. As I mentioned before, this is always a complicated issue. Thanks, Carolus 22:16, 21 February 2012 (UTC)


About your "Jazz Collection". These are originals by you, correct? If so, there is no reason they cannot be uploaded under their own titles - assuming there is more than one piece. Also, I see on the WIMA site that you arranged Boyvin's suite on the third tone (Thanks for uploading the second tone today to the correct page. It worked pretty nicely. Are you planning to arrange the other Boyvin suites for brass? If so, we might have to consider creating separate pages for the different suites which make up Boyvin's two "livres". Thanks, Carolus 03:14, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

BTW, for all three titles you have uploaded a duplicate of the guitar part for the piano/keyboard part. Please upload the keyboard parts for all three at the bottom of the page and I will replace them in the file-stack. Do not replace the file that is presently there, or you will end up deleting your scores. Thanks, Carolus 03:33, 25 February 2012 (UTC)


Hi Michel,

The issue was with the WIMA template, which was not properly closed with the curly brackets. I also mistakenly typed the template incorrectly above. It should be like this (please copy and paste this text): {{WIMAProject}} (not {{WIMAproject}} as I typed above - ugh!). Templates like this are very unforgiving. If you don't have it perfectly, it makes a jumble of things on the page - which is what happened. It was actually easy to fix once I found the bad template. Since you mentioned that you've arranged all 8 suites from the Premier livre, you will need to stop uploading the arrangements until p.daydov and I come up with a solution for this. Simply put, the number of files you would be adding to that page will make the performance of that page so slow that it is not useable for most users, which rather defeats the purpose of what we are trying to do here. We are probably going to have to create separate work pages for all 8 suites from Premier livre and possibly all 8 from the Second livre. Once it is decided how best to do this, one of us will create the pages needed and move your existing files to the new pages. After that, you can then upload the additional arrangements to the new pages which will be created. We'll probably move Pierre Gouin's editions to the new pages also. Sometime later, you can merge all your arrangement files for Premier livre into 9 files in total - one for each suite and an engraving file. These could go on the main page. Thanks, Carolus 03:24, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

I see p.davydov has created a nice set of new pages to handle these. On the audio files, it is really best if you upload all the midis as one group and all the MP3s made from them as another group. Uploading two at a time creates a large number of extra tabs (which is sort of a bug in our system). You actually did this the ideal way for the first two suites. Carolus 03:37, 27 February 2012 (UTC)


Hello Michel,

It's very nice to have these Telemann works, which help to fill a missing section of our archive. A couple of things to keep in mind when adding his works are:

  1. It is not necessary at all to include the key in the title with this composer, since the TWV catalog number is organized by key to begin with. Thus, the correct title is: Trumpet Concerto, TWV 51:D7. It should be quite obvious that the work is in D major as the TWV system is in wide use now. Also remember that the name of the solo instrument comes first, so that a 'Concerto for Trumpet and String Orchestra' becomes 'Trumpet Concerto' (Concerti with more than one concertante instrument start with 'Concerto' - as in 'Concerto for 2 Trumpets, TWV ##:X#').
  2. For any work with orchestra (defined as requiring more than one player per upper string parts - violins and violas), please upload the scores separately from the parts. Since WIMA required division of the parts into separate movements, it makes the organization of the parts tab much easier if you upload scores separately for large-ensemble works like these. With chamber ensembles and solo music, upload the scores and parts together.

Thanks, Carolus 14:23, 13 March 2012 (EDT)

Ouverture-Suite, TWV 55:D1. Are you sure this is No.1 from Tafelmusik II? The listing of movements here differs from yours. I assume you've transposed to F major for the brass arrangement. BTW, in the "General Information" section, only give the instrumentation of theoriginal version, not of any arrangements. Carolus 18:27, 13 March 2012 (EDT) ':'Carolus.......sorry about the Telemann "La Lyra"....I just saw the page already existed.....MR


Instrumentation in the "General Information" section (set up when you create a new page) - should only be for the original version of the work - not the scoring of your arrangement (which is read from tags added by me and other admins). Also, it would save time if you included the following items in the "Editor" field: {{LinkEd|Michel Rondeau}} (use when you've edited a work in its original scoring) ; |Arranger={{LinkArr|Michel|Rondeau}} (use when you have arranged a work - like the Telemann partitas arranged for trumpet and organ. (Don't copy and paste the <nowiki> and </nowiki> tags). Thanks, Carolus 15:26, 17 March 2012 (EDT)

Fugierende und verändernde Choräle, TWV 31:1–48

Hello again,

Have you arranged a large number of the 48 chorale-preludes? If you have done more than around 10, we might have to think about setting up separate pages for each of the ones you have arranged. Let me know. Carolus 15:35, 17 March 2012 (EDT)

Hello Carolus.....sorry for the mess.....yes I have ten already arranged and will eventually arrange the rest.......I am not familiar with this computer language....but I think I understand....I will try to use it in the future....thanks for your patience....MR
You're actually doing very well. I wouldn't be nagging you on finer points like the arranger and editor templates if you weren't such a fast learner! Since you've done ten and will do more, hold off until a I create a couple of pages so we can set the pattern. If we have to create 48 different pages ultimately it is probably better than attempting to cram all the files for the arrangements on the page. Performance can really slow down when there are over 100 files under a tab-section. Thanks, Carolus 17:22, 17 March 2012 (EDT)

':',,,,,,,HELLO Carolus......I have over 125 Scarlatti keyboard sonatas arranged for strings or I enter them individually or with the existing page?


Dear Michel,

The Fünff-stimmigte blasende Music is made up of 76 works. I see you've been adding them as separate items, which is probably necessary. We need you to hold off on adding any more until we can resolve how to title the individual items. I'm going over to p.davydov to discuss now. Once you see how the eight items you have already added are titled, you can continue using the same pattern. BTW, a reminder to use Arabic numerals for any parts which have one player to a part. Roman numerals are used for parts (like strings) which have multiple players. Thus, Trumpet 1/2 vs. Violins I/II (the slash indicates two parts on the same system (either single or double staff). The new forum is very easy to use so don't be afraid to add remarks. Thanks, Carolus 15:13, 2 April 2012 (EDT) BUMP Carolus