User talk:Jujimufu/archive 1



Welcome to IMSLP! Many thanks for your generous uploads. But can you please take care not to upload copyrighted files or works? IMSLP is stricly legal. The files by Poulenc are still copyrighted. An overview of the copyright guidlines is available at Public Domain. Cheers, --Peter 17:11, 26 December 2006 (EST)

1. No problem, I have made a lot of mistakes myself. Deletion of files or pages can only be done by administrators. By adding the category [[Category:IMSLP:Articles for Deletion]] anywhere on the page, this page will be inlcuded in a deletion category. Feldmahler will see this and delete it.
2. This is indeed a good way of sending personal messages.
3. One of the works by poulenc you uploaded (Suite pour Piano (Poulenc, Francis)) was indeed composed before 1923, but there is a copyright on the publisher. The bottom line of the first page states a copyright warning in 1926 and 1991...
4. You're absolutely right, this community is fantastic and in my opinion the best concerning sheet music!
Cheers , --Peter 17:26, 26 December 2006 (EST)

There are still some errors. The category of Glazunov was already existing, you created a double. I corrected it. The variations by Brahms you uploaded have the wrong title: Brahms is in front of the title, but this cannot be, because this would create a wrong listing. (see Category:Brahms, Johannes) I corrected one for you. You can correct the remaining by clicking "move" on top of the pages with wrong titles, and removing the composer's name.--Peter 18:01, 26 December 2006 (EST)

OK, I take it back :)), you corrected it already :D

About the Scarlatti sonatas: I forwarded your message to the adminsitrator, Feldmahler.
About uploading: we are very happy with your submissions, but maybe you shouldn't hurry too much and take your time for a submission if you can. First of all to check the copyright status of your pdf's, this is really important because we don't want to get into an illegal exchange forum. And second, it would be nice if you could add some extra information to the work page; e.g. the publisher information (e.g. New York: C.F. Peters, 1920) , if available, and the source of the pdf (e.g sheetmusicfox), if available. This adds proof of public domain status, and is interesting for musicologists, musicians, and music lovers. But I agree that this takes a lot of time, and it is not mandatory. But again, we are very pleased with your massive contribution!!
About the featured scores: i introduced this feature months ago (see Tasks), but we haven't used it yet. I think ideas for this item should be discussed with the community, on the Community Portal or on the talk page of the featured scores page.
--Peter 20:49, 26 December 2006 (EST)

Hi there! Sorry for the late reply! I was on a trip and had no internet access. I thank you very much for your submissions and enthusiasm :) I agree completely with Peter on the points he made. And about the Scarlatti sonatas, uploading them in zip format is perfectly fine; in fact, it is probably a better idea than uploading them individually (think of the number of PDFs haha!).
About the featured scores, I've been thinking about this a bit, and I'll start a forum thread about this, and link to it from the news section of the front page.
Again, I thank you for your submissions to the IMSLP :) --Feldmahler 22:59, 27 December 2006 (EST)

Nikolas Sideris

Hi Jujimufu! I was going through the list of recent changes and I saw that you've uploaded several pieces by Category:Sideris, Nikolas. I went to the composer's website, but I'm uncertain whether or not we would have permission to distribute them. If you can secure permission and let Feldmahler know, that would be good. Glad to have your enthusiasm, though! --Emeraldimp 01:36, 27 December 2006 (EST)

I'll contact him, and see what happens. Thanks for the heads up emeraldimp :) --Feldmahler 22:59, 27 December 2006 (EST)


I finally managed to convert the png icon to an ICO file without corrupting the image :) And so the 4th favicon is up on IMSLP. Thanks for the icons! --Feldmahler 13:08, 30 December 2006 (EST)


Hi there, I noticed that already. Someone had created a wrong Händel page that isn't deleted yet, and it's on that page you're adding works. You have to go to the second Handel listed in composers (the correct one) and add the works there. For the wrongly created works, just click "move" on top of the wrong page, and correct the composer, plus, edit the work page and correct the composer in the category (somewhere on the first or second line). Remember that the composer has to be spelled exactly like the correct one to be included in the category. You can check if it's correct by checking the correct Handel category if it's listed there. If it doesn't work, drop me a line. Oh, and could you sign your messages? That's easier to know who to reply to. Just add four tildes (~) or click te second last editing button . Cheers, --Peter 17:47, 1 January 2007 (EST) Oh, and another thing, could you remove the ' around the numbers of the concerti?

The indented reply is created by adding a tab before a paragraph. The tab is a ":" in wikilanguage (before every new paragraph). Btw, I just noticed the concerti you are uploading are in fact the organ concerti. IMSLP is addicting, isn't it :) --Peter 18:08, 1 January 2007 (EST)
Yes, IMSLP is addicting :) I've uploaded over 100 works since I joined in, less than a week ago. I do want to see it grow really fast, I've even decided to take up the Greek translation of the site :) Yes, they are the organ concerti :P Do you play the organ? Or do you say so because I should have written "organ and orchestra" in orchestration? If yes, then tell me and I'll fix it. Cheers! jujimufu 18:43, 1 January 2007 (EST)

Greek Translation

Hi there! I got your message on my talk page :) Translating IMSLP into another language is probably one of the best ways to improve IMSLP... one of the reasons I chose the name "International Music Score Library Project" is precisely because one of the priorities is in making it "International". :)

If you haven't already, you can visit the Internationalization (translation) page. Basically, you'll want to create a localized (in this case Greek) version of each of the "major" pages, with their own title in the localized language (i.e. like the Spanish version) :)

A few days ago I managed to modify the wiki software to accept "iflang" statements (as stated on the "Internationalization" page), which means that you can now translate templates too! :) If you have more questions, feel free to ask. --Feldmahler 19:06, 1 January 2007 (EST)

Concerning questions, yes, how do I do this localisation version of each of the major pages? Do I just go to the pages and edit them? It's my first wiki translation, so I don't know what to do, and I read all of the internalisation page, but it doesn't say anything more. Thanks :D jujimufu 19:11, 1 January 2007 (EST)
Well... what Mr.Moonlight did is create a new page with the translated page name (you can create a new page by linking from an existing page and clicking on it, or just simply by editing the URL [i.e. type a new page name after ?title= ]), copy the content of the existing page over, and translate it. For example, for the Main Page you may create a page named "Κύρια σελίδα" (I got this translation from Babelfish ^_^;;), copy the contents of the english Main Page over, and translate it bit by bit (or all at once if you don't get tired midway). Hope this helps! --Feldmahler 19:27, 1 January 2007 (EST)
Ok, thanks :D Will do tomorrow, first thing in the morning :) Take care! jujimufu 19:32, 1 January 2007 (EST)
Just a notice: I replied to your questions on my talk page instead of here :) --Feldmahler 15:29, 2 January 2007 (EST)

Hello back :-)

Hellooo Nicolaos-Laonicos Psi... uhm...Nicol..well, Hello Juji! :-D Thanks for your message! Of course I already noticed your nearly endless contributions here. I also glimpsed at your Greek translation pages a few times and even though I don't understand a word it says there (well, I understand the title though...pretty good, huh? :-)) I think you do a great job. It really takes a lot of time to translate everything! At the moment I'm translating the score submission guide. Quite happy I'm through the Public Domain article, since that was a hard one!
Nah, my Alkan contribs... basically nothing compared to your additions here! Have you ever had a look at the statistics? Well, there seems to be a new diagram since today, but you can still see there is an exponetial increase at the end of december - isn't that when we both joined? :-D Wuahaha, I think it's due to you, actually! Great User-Page by the way and Happy 3000+ Submissions! :-) --Karin Bütler 14:14, 6 January 2007 (EST)

Wishlist merging

I've split the main wishlist (it was getting too long), and merged the Greek translation into it... The Greek wishlist hasn't been used for a long time, and is somewhat out of date :/ so I thought it might be good just to merge it in, since the other languages also use an IFLANG statement on the main wishlist page... hope you're ok with this! :) --Feldmahler 20:50, 7 February 2007 (EST)

Yeah sure, no problem :) It's your site after all :D Also, I'd like to apologise for not being active lately, but studying has totally killed my free time.
BTW, I was accepted at Guildhall for music composition!! :D :D So, I'll be a composition student too, from next year :) Hehe :D Take care! ~ jujimufu 13:37, 9 February 2007 (EST)
Great job! :) Good luck! Don't worry about not being very active... we all have times when we are very busy :) --Feldmahler 14:52, 9 February 2007 (EST)

Nenov : Toccata

You have upload the same file for the two part of the toccata. If I download it I have the Even Pages in two exemplary (but with a different name for the two files). I am not sure that I am clear but just see by yourself the Nenov'sToccata page.
Good bye. --Nomis

Thank you for bringing this up to my attention. The file was indeed the same, I obviously mixed up the files while uploading them, and I uploaded the even-pages file for both odd and even-page files. The problem is now fixed, and the pages are as they were supposed to be :) Take care! ~ jujimufu 20:29, 10 April 2007 (EDT)


Hello Jujimufu, Maybe you can add a Mutopia-link as a tribute to them. That's the least we can do for them if we copy their entire archive. Typesetting with lilypond is a really nerve-demanding experience... (I added a link to Orchésographie (Arbeau, Thoinot)). Cheers, Peter talk 18:09, 22 May 2007 (EDT)

That's true about lilypond. It was the first notating program I tried for my compositions, because I had some knowledge on programming and I thought I'd have more control over my scores, but the time it took me to notate one system of notes, and the effort put not to make a single mistake in the code, plus the work that had to be done in order to add a measure or change something inside the whole piece, and all of this for just one instrument (imagine having a whole orchestral score to manage). I really don't understand why people keep using it. I mean, with Finale (not Finale 2007, the free one), you can do the same things, more or less (all the scores typesetted with lilypond have nothing extreme such as contemporary cluster notation or weird stuff otherwise difficult/impossible in the free Finale), and much easier and faster. Anyway, I'll make sure to put on a link from now on, and I'll put a link in all the files I've uploaded so far. Take care! ~ jujimufu 01:50, 23 May 2007 (EDT)

Hahaha... great minds think alike ;) I agree completely with Peter... and also see the additional stuff I put on my talk page in response to your question. I know the copyright status of Mutopia works may be obvious to some, but I'd like to make sure.... right now I don't know exactly how Mutopia licenses their scores, and will get around to digging around their site, but for now only Mutopia files licensed under a Creative Commons license is permitted on IMSLP :) --Feldmahler 18:16, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
Or if the score is in public domain, as this is the case with like, 90% of the mutopia scores. And I don't just mean datewise, it is mentioned on the scores very clearly (on the bottom). And yes, I will make sure to add a link to mutopia, starting with the pieces I've uploaded already.
Hmm... the problem with "public domain" is that it is technically not a valid license in the EU ("public domain" in EU is strictly for works that have fallen out of copyright due to the copyright term, and does not accept new works)... is it possible to just do the CC licensed files for now? I'll have to think a bit about whether I'll allow "public domain" as a license for copyrighted works (which would mean that the files are only "public domain" in US and Canada, but will be technically under copyright in the EU). :) --Feldmahler 02:06, 23 May 2007 (EDT)
Well, all the composers of whose files I've been uploading on IMSLP are from the Renaissance or Baroque time periods. Aren't these (datewise speaking) in the public domain?
The composition itself is, but that particular "edition" of it (I'm treating the typeset as a new edition because it'd be hard to prove otherwise) is not... and again I'm treating the typesetter as the editor, in which case the copyright lasts for life+50 of the typesetter/editor.
And besides, what I mean is that inside the scores themselves (I haven't seen any mutopia score that doesn't say that) it says "It has been typeset and placed in the public domain by ___ . Unrestricted modification and redistribution is permitted and encouraged-copy the music and share it!". Is that what you mean by cc-license? I mean, I know it doesn't mention it has a creativecommons license as per se, but isn't this what the cc-licenses are supposed to do? Sorry for asking all of this, I am kinda confused over the whole public domain thing, as all I knew was that if the composition had been written over 70 years ago it's in pubic domain in all world... or not? =\ ~ jujimufu 02:12, 23 May 2007 (EDT)
Well no... the composition is public domain in different countries at different times. More information on this can be found on the public domain page :) Different countries have different laws regulating public domain, so there is no such thing as a true "international" public domain. Anyway, in Canada the term is generally life+50 (with some exceptions) of the composer or editor, many other countries are life+70. There is no country that I know of which bases the public domain on when the work was written, but always on when the author died.
Also, the CC licenses are valid licenses, which means that they hold legal value. The problem with licensing something "public domain" is that only the US legal system recognizes this designation; the EU legal system will discard it, and treat the work as if it is fully copyrighted (i.e. no rights permitted to user). This is purely a technical issue, and has no bearing on what the philosophy behind either the public domain or the CC licenses are... but it may be wise to not have problems later on because of this...
P.S. You don't have to remove the files you already submitted because they are public domain in Canada :) --Feldmahler 02:07, 23 May 2007 (EDT)
What about these scores: [link] . Would that be considered public domain as well, since the composer himself states that the score is public domain? ~ jujimufu 02:21, 23 May 2007 (EDT)
Well, it means that the work is public domain in the US, and most likely Canada, but technically not the EU. While the composer probably won't sue anyone for using it in the EU, he can if he so wished, because "public domain" is not a valid copyright, and will be discared in the courts in favor of it being fully copyrighted and restricted (i.e. any use is a violation). This is purely a technical issue... and so I need some time to think about whether to allow such files or not... --Feldmahler2 02:43, 23 May 2007 (EDT)
Well, I could upload them and european users should download them (or not) at their own risk, no? I mean, since the server is in Canada, there's no problem with having the files up. Anyway, I will refrain from uploading such vague scores (as of whether they are public domain or not) until you make up your mind :) Thanks again for all your help, take care! :D ~ jujimufu 02:51, 23 May 2007 (EDT)
By the way, Jujimufu, I had to delete your file for the Florent Schmitt "Soirs" because it has the CD Sheet Music logo. While almost everything that CD Sheet Music issues is public domain, you still must make sure to eliminate their logo from any files you submit here due to trademark concerns. Thanks. Carolus 19:09, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
Oh noes, not the Soirs! It took me lots of time to make that one (I had each page on a separate image file and had to put them together). Bah, I'll do it again, this time removing the CD Sheet music logo. Thanks for notifying me, I'll try to take more care next time. ~ jujimufu 01:50, 23 May 2007 (EDT)


I really don't understand why people keep using it.
Because it just delivers the best quality in music printing and the most notational possibilities. I dare you, give me a score that looks better than a lilypond score! Peter talk 16:54, 23 May 2007 (EDT)
Well, that and the whole free-as-in-freedom thing. If I could find a Free notation program that suited my needs/work process and output to Lilypond, I'd use it in a heartbeat. (Don't bother telling me about Rosegarden... tried it, can't stand the notation editor.) --Emeraldimp 17:25, 23 May 2007 (EDT)
You know, I've always wanted to write a Finale clone in QT... I even tried writing it (as of current it consists of a box with a line drawn through it haha). Unfortunately due to a combination of the shortage of time (partly due to IMSLP, which I hope somewhat justifies it ;) ) and my lack of experience with GUI programming, I couldn't do it... though if there is an open source Finale clone project started I'd love to help in any way I can! :)
And since I'm myself a composer... it'd be nice if that Finale clone can do all the wacky things that Finale itself can do (like having one stave drop out when there are no notes in it, not that I particularly like those scores [but hey!], or a combination of text and music like in music textbooks), and some that even Finale can't do: I've been trying to make Finale use barlines at different places for each stave (for example, when we have a specific metric combination), but couldn't figure out how to do it (short of a horrible hack involving invisible barlines). Anyway... guess this is all just daydreaming ;) --Feldmahler 17:41, 23 May 2007 (EDT)
Writing a finale clone in QT or any other gui engine would be a terrible PITA (pain in the a_s). The application itself is sooo complicated that I doubt it anyone could reverse-engineer it (since it's not open source in the first place) and re-make it in a relatively short period of time (i.e. less than a few decades =P ). Concerning the quality some people mentioned, I don't think it's that much of a difference between Finale and lilypond. Lilypond uses GhostScript as its PDF printing application, and if you use the same thing for Finale (which you can), then the quality is the same, almost entirely. I personally believe all this "quality" matter is more like a dispute similar to the Gentoo Linux dispute, i.e. whether it is worth going stage1 installation (which is the more "elite" and is supposed to allow you to make your operating system faster, although for the average user the speed of the computer increases infinitesimally, like, it loads 1" faster than it would normally take to boot) instead of stage3 installation (which is a more automated-kind of installation, and which provides user-friendliness to the user, well more than stage1 at least). And you can do all of the things that you told me you'd wish you'd be able to do, such as staves dropping out when there are no notes in them etc etc. You can check this thread: . The guy knows how to use finale very well, and he can do pretty much everything. You can check a score of his here: pdf score. Anyway, I don't have time right now, so we can talk about this some other time, because I have to go :P Take care and c ya later! ~ jujimufu 12:44, 2 June 2007 (EDT)

Mutopia links

Hi again! Just before I forget... I think it may be a good idea to add an actual link to the Mutopia page of the score (like Peter did here). :) You don't have to change what you already submitted, but just keep it in mind for future submissions :) --Feldmahler 03:47, 23 May 2007 (EDT)