User talk:Naja



Dear Naja,
Welcome to the IMSLP! We would like to thank you for contributing.

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We're looking forward to your next submission!

Cheers, Peter talk 07:04, 15 July 2007 (EDT)



Αγαπητέ Naja,
καλωσήρθατε στο IMSLP! Θα θέλαμε να σας ευχαριστήσουμε για τη συνεισφορά σας στην ιστοσελίδα.

Παρακαλούμε επισκεφτείτε την Πύλη Συνεισφερόντων για μάθετε πως μπορείτε να συνεισφέρετε στο IMSLP.

Ο Οδηγός αποτελεί μια βασική εισαγωγή στη χρήση αυτής της ιστοσελίδας. Αν επιθυμείτε να συνεισφέρετε ανεβάζοντας παρτιτούρες, θα βρείτε όλες τις πληροφορίες που χρειάζεστε στον οδηγό υποβολής παρτιτούρων. Σε περίπτωση που δεν μπορείτε να βρείτε μια απάντηση στις απορίες σας στις παραπάνω σελίδες, μπορείτε να αφήσετε ένα σχόλιο στα forums.

Θα ήταν καλό αν τοποθετούσατε τις ετικέττες Βαβέλ στην σελίδα χρήστη σας, για να ξέρουν οι άλλοι χρήστες τι γλώσσες μιλάτε και σε ποιόν βαθμό. Μπορείτε επίσης να χρησιμοποιήσετε το σύστημα Βαβέλ για να βρείτε άλλους χρήστες που μιλούν μια συγκεκριμένη γλώσσα.

Μπορείτε να επικοινωνήσετε με άλλους χρήστες τοποθετώντας ένα μήνυμα στην σελίδα χρήστη τους (πατήστε στο όνομα του χρήστη, και μετά στον σύνδεσμο Συζήτηση - ή Discussion στα Αγγλικά), όπως έκανα κι εγώ στη δική σας σελίδα. Όταν ο άλλος χρήστης κάνει log in την επόμενη φορά, θα ενημερωθεί για το νέο μήνυμα που του αφήσατε. Απαντώντας σε τέτοιου είδους μηνύματα μπορεί να γίνει μέσω της δικής σας σελίδας ομιλίας, ή στην αντίστοιχη σελίδα ομιλίας του άλλου χρήστη. Σημειώστε ότι δεν θα υπάρξει ενημέρωση του χρήση αν απαντήσετε στη δική σας σελίδα. Θα ήταν καλό αν υπογράφατε τα σχόλιά σας με τέσσερεις περισπωμένες (~~~~), οι οποίες αυτόματα προσθέτουν το όνομα χρήστη σας και την ημερομηνία/ώρα.

Αν θέλετε να συζητήσετε για κάτι με την υπόλοιπη κοινότητα, μπορείτε να γράψετε ένα μήνυμα στα IMSLP forums. Για πολύ σημαντικά μηνύματα, παρακαλούμε επικοινωνήστε με το προσωπικό μέσω της Λίστας Επικοινωνίας.

Περιμένουμε να δούμε και τις επόμενες συνεισφορές σας στην ιστοσελίδα!

Cheers, Peter talk 07:04, 15 July 2007 (EDT)



I guess that's what it said in a prologue that I took it out. But I'm not complete sure now. Do you think it's still copyrighted? Please let me know and we'll ask to delete it. Thanks in advance. NachoBA It could be, I'm not sure right now. As I mentioned, I think there was a preface by someone date 1965. May be it was a reprint and only the preface was added. I will try to find the original file. Take care. NachoBA

Re: My pages get deleted

Dear Naja, you raise some interesting points that are on my mind for some time. Let me first of all explain the deletions:

  1. Concerto for 2 Mandolins, Strings and Basso Continuo, R 532 (Vivaldi, Antonio): Carolus deleted this page with reason: Copyright.
  2. D.941 - Allegro in a for piano duet (also known as Lebensstürme) (Schubert, Franz): I can't find a deletion history for this page. I however see that you created Allegro in a for piano duet (also known as 'Lebensstürme') D.947 (Schubert, Franz).
  3. D.957 N°04 - Ständchen (serenade): I see no page or deletion history for this work. The file however is added to Schwanengesang, D.957 (Schubert, Franz) by Carolus.
  4. Fantasy for Two Pianos (Scriabin, Alexander). I deleted this page with reason: ed. by Ethel Bartlett (died 1978)
  5. Sonata in Eb minor (1889) (Scriabin, Alexander) was deleted by Carolus with reason: duplicate. The following work page is already existing: Piano Sonata in E-flat minor (Scriabin, Alexander).

If the admin entered a deletion reason, this will show up in the Deletion log on the Recent Additions page. However, the fact that this will not show up in your watchlist is a Mediawiki (the software of this site) problem of which I can't say much except that you could contact Feldmahler about this. I would indeed be a nice feature.

It seems to me that the pages were deleted for the right reasons - you made some mistakes such as copyrighted submissions and duplicate or faulty work page names. However, you are absolutely right that it is demotivating if you are not notified. Please accept our apologies.

I think this miscommunication is the result of a time problem of the admins. We are 7 admins of which only 2 new in the last months. To the contrary, IMSLP is growing exponentially. Besides maintainance tasks, we are confronted with a daily load of verifying +/- 70 submissions that need to be checked to ensure that all IMSLP content is perfectly legal - the only way IMSLP can survive. Many new users upload a batch of files without any information of which a great deal are copyrighted - which generates extra work for us. However, we have put a lot of energy in explaining how to submit and what's public domain. So here grows a little frustration sometimes...

So, again, we apologize for the inconveniences, and thank you for your letting me know your frustration. I will rise a discussion on the forum next week to get a grip on this problem. Maybe there can be new admins. I will also present guidelines for communication to new users (however, we can't inform every user about every correction).

If you have suggestions about our project, please let us know. Do you think the small errors you made were the result of bad information in the guide ot the public domain page? I have the feeling they are not transparent enough.

Regards, Peter talk 13:08, 22 July 2007 (EDT)

Hi Naja! I too apologize for this issue. This is actually an almost 3 year old bug in Mediawiki (the original #861 bug report was filed in 2004), and there seems to be signs of it being fixed (though the bug is not officially closed). If it is indeed fixed it should be fine after the upgrade cycle next month... lets hope that 1.11 is released on schedule :)
On another note, I had previously requested all admins to manually notify the user of any deletions, but recently due to the rapid expansion of IMSLP there has been a shortage of admin-power, especially in the copyright review process. I think the problem is also partly because there is really nothing much to say beyond what is already said in the deletion reason. Therefore, I think I will change this policy so that users can refer to the deletion reason, which I think streamlines the entire deletion process, and in the process making it easy for the user to see (after the watchlist is fixed).
In any case, please remember that regardless of what admins do, your contribution to IMSLP is always appreciated (as long as its not vandalism ;) ). Of course everyone makes mistakes sometimes, which is why admins have to delete pages, but that is nothing personal. :)
Sorry again! --Feldmahler 13:35, 22 July 2007 (EDT)

Hi Peter and Feldmahler,

Thank you for reacting. please don't get me wrong. I thought the pages would have been deleted with reason, it's just that if you don't know, you don't know, innit. That feels very awkward, especially since my time is very much under pressure also. I cannot afford to waste it. Also if you don't know, you have no chance to correct it. To give you a clue, when i first started contributing to, a compilation that i had worked on for 2 hours got deleted instead of corrected because it had (cd1) instead of (disc 1). I stopped contributing there for about a year.

Im also not an easy person, since i don't recall ever doing anything good from the very first time. I like computers, because digital media can be corrected... lol. I also manage to dig to a systems smallest corner to make it fail, like uploading files with two single quotes.... sorry. (in fact after reading this over, i must say it still astonishes me that i persist in trying to learn the piano, since music can not be corrected after it is played.)

So, no hard feelings, i really love this project, thats why i posted that, because it has to feel right for me before i can put time and energy in it. I definitely don't mind sharing my experiences as a beginner. What must be said though, is that because of time effeciency, i only had a brief look at the guides. I still plan to read them through later. As for ideas:

  1. Maybe we could make a page where we can discuss ideas for improvement, and under grace of general cheering people with spare time could take up tasks.
  2. First thing i hit was preview field in add file page having no description. That probably already created more cleanup work at your side than just documenting it. I also must say that it is much more encouraging reading the documentation of the fields right when i use them rather then having to look for docs. So i did read those carefully.
  3. Several times i created bad pages and problems with uploads because of unsupported characters like quotes and ampersands, which also messes things, and creates work. If I where you, i would invest in form validation. Ideally this is done in javascript. If there is a list of unsupported characters and character combinations, I don't mind to put a javascript together to notify users of invalid input. I couldn't afford time for this before several weeks though. See what you think. In the end i think you have to validate on the server also, because only there you are sure.
  4. What i felt like doing myself was writing a tutorial on how to clean up and compress pdf before uploading them, since i am now spending quite alot of time to learn that before uploading more files, i thought i might share that info in the end. This however will also take some time before i get round to it, if it is deemed useful...?

going to stop there, it is also possible to add more stuff later... greets, thx for all your good work. imslp is a dream site. ;) Naja 14:28, 22 July 2007 (EDT)