User talk:Feldmahler/archive18


Portal Page/main page/contributor portal/new admins

Hi. I know you're busy, but I have a few requests.

  1. The portal page needs updating - the numbers are out of date. On the forums, it has been suggested that you remove the numbers altogether, because of this tendency. Input?
  2. There is a draft of the main page (Main Page/draft) of which I'm sure you've heard. At some point the real main page should probably be replaced with the draft, when it is convenient and adequately needed (
  3. The contributor portal looks very unprofessional, mainly when compared to our beautiful main page and portal page. At some point, a revamp would seem in order, unless you have a reason for it staying this way (designing pages is difficult, I suppose).
  4. We have expanded greatly in users, scores, etc. Therefore, it would seem to be time to "promote" more users to copyright review (maybe like 5), sysops (maybe one or two), and translators (no idea). Also, the sitedesigners category is empty. Ideas?

Sorry for the long post, but it seemed like time. Respond whenever you have the time!--Snailey Yell at me Email me 16:21, 25 January 2009 (EST)

Forget about the Main Page and Contributor Portal, I replied to that. (The language selection dropdown would still be nice though. If it could be editable via the wiki it would be perfect. But I know there are more pressing issues at hand.) --Leonard Vertighel 17:30, 25 January 2009 (EST)
Actually, I think that Sysops should be 1% of the total, so we need 3 more. Copyrightreview...if we can find enough people, 18 (1.5%) would be ideal. We should have as many translators as possible. What destinguishes sitedesigners from the others?-- Snailey Yell at me Email me 09:29, 28 January 2009 (EST)
Sitedesigners have access to Mediawiki messages (Mediawiki: namespace) because the FTE templates are there. They have the same access permissions as translators. It was intended for use when there are actually many site designers (currently it is mostly Leonard's work, and he already has sysop priviledges anyway).
I've fixed the numbers on the portal page, and indeed have removed specific numbers (they really don't belong there). I don't have a problem with using the new main page... any sysop is able to change it. If nobody does, I can change it myself shortly (probably should do a few other things first though).
I actually unfortunately have a marked inability to design web pages, so if the contributor portal is to be redesigned it will have to be designed by Leonard who has designed most of the pretty things so far :) I will however be looking into adding people to copyright review.
Thanks for bringing the issues up! --Feldmahler 02:23, 31 January 2009 (EST)
Sorry perlnerd, but I don't see any rationale why the number of copyright reviewers should reach a certain percent of users. We've discussed this issue a few times on the forums - currently there is no need for new copyright reviewers. We will certainly express this need when needed. --Peter talk 15:14, 31 January 2009 (EST)
I'll defer judgment about this issue to Peter, since Peter is an actual copyright reviewer :-) However, one longtime contributor has asked to take the copyright review exam, and I have given him the green light since he knows everything pretty well. Generally speaking it does seem that there are enough copyright reviewers at the moment. I would also agree with Peter that having a fixed ratio of copyright reviewers to general members is probably unnecessary, since the number of members is not a very good indication of submission intensity or copyright review burden. --Feldmahler 15:29, 31 January 2009 (EST)
Thank you. It is true...although the intensity itself also seems to Have picked up recently. Good to see more "elevated" members.-- Snailey Yell at me Email me 21:16, 31 January 2009 (EST)
And the same would apply to sysops.-- Snailey Yell at me Email me 21:17, 31 January 2009 (EST)
I'll jump in here to say that although we're keeping up pretty well with all the new additions, I certainly wouldn't mind being able to take some time off from here every few days. The vast majority of stuff is routine and fairly easy to tag. The Vaughan William Symphony No.3 I just tagged is an interesting case where I really had to dig for the info on the actual first publisher. Citations for publication date are in conflict, so I tagged it "C" for the USA - since OMCDRL obviously includes it in their series without anyone being sued (yet). It's not in the Kalmus catalog - they're a bit more reticent about cases where there is some question, though. I think we could use one or two additional taggers, especially since the orchestra parts seem to really be coming in now. Carolus 22:11, 31 January 2009 (EST)
I think User:Hobbypianist should be a sysop if he wants to. He is doing a great job at marking empty work pages for deletion. As a matter of fact, maybe all copyright reviewers should be able to delete pages. If you are going to implement that, please ask them to read Help:Page deletion, with particular emphasis on using redirects instead of deletion whenever the actual content is still somewhere on IMSLP (to preserve possible inbound links). --Leonard Vertighel 08:00, 1 February 2009 (EST)
I agree with Leonard. Several of the copyright reviewers have been active on the site besides just doing copyright reviewing, and I would be very willing to make them sysops. I will ask them about this very soon. --Feldmahler 18:58, 1 February 2009 (EST)

Seems to be my fault

Best Feldsmahler.

Now I scucceded to upload two things (Mozart k. 15 and 20). I think I had problems becauseI tried to something with the file name, snd it didn´t come out righ.

So, do not pay any attention to may mail above...

DALTORPS (Brian Cohn). DALTORPS 23:26, (EST)

Good to hear that :) Sorry for the very late reply. --Feldmahler 02:23, 31 January 2009 (EST)

Some alphabetization problems

Hi Feldmahler,

I noticed a few titles were alphabetizing based the initial article and not on the first "main word" (see: Category:Verdi,_Giuseppe)

Another editor said that you had to make changes in the code... Operalala

Yes, this is a code issue. At some point I will probably open this list up to edit by IMSLP contributors. One of the problems with this is that different languages sometimes collide (a word considered an article in one language is a "main word" in another, hence there may be cases where wrong alphabetizing is inevitable (like "I", which would be a main word in English). --Feldmahler 02:23, 31 January 2009 (EST)

Hi, I pulled this code off of Wikipedia, and it works here, too:

{{DEFAULTSORT:Ballo in Maschera (Verdi, Giuseppe), Un}}

That is very interesting... thanks for sharing! --Feldmahler 18:58, 1 February 2009 (EST)


Hi Feldmahler, I'm confused by your comment here:

  1. According to both IMSLP and Wikipedia, Korngold died in 1957. You claimed in 2008 that he died less than 50 years ago. Which is it?
  2. Why would you put up a blank PDF for a copyrighted work anyway? This just makes it look like a technical glitch. If (!) the works are copyrighted, then they should be tagged as such.

--Leonard Vertighel 08:50, 1 February 2009 (EST)

I assure you that I am as confused as you are by my comment. Korngold was public domain in 2008, so I'm not sure I understand what I was talking about. But I know what happened with the file: Mcroskell submitted the files in 2007 to the US server, which is the reason why the files are "stub" files (empty, which is how Mcroskell originally submitted them). They originally used the {{File1923 template, but that got merged into the File template, hence the current format. Someone needs to rescue the files from the US server. Temporary US server can be accessed here. --Feldmahler 18:58, 1 February 2009 (EST)

speed issues

Feldmahler, since about one week the file and forum servers are experiencing significant speed problems, at last at my location. best regards, --Peter talk 05:03, 15 February 2009 (EST)

Ditto. Forums occasionally does not load.-- Snailey Yell at me Email me 07:05, 15 February 2009 (EST)
Thirded. It's unbearably slow, especially the forums. Daphnis 09:39, 15 February 2009 (EST)
Thanks for the reports. From what I can see the problem is not download speed per se (I still get maximum download speed), but rather that waiting for it to start downloading takes a while (same with page loading at the forums I assume). If that is not the case with your access to IMSLP, please tell me. Unfortunately both the forums and file servers are not under my direct control, so we will need to e-mail the person in charge. I also cannot e-mail anyone at the moment, so I will send the e-mail address of the server admin to Peter via PM on the forums (if you don't get it, just tell me), and Peter can e-mail the admin and ask about the status of the servers. Let's hope the e-mail address still works. Keep me up to date if the admin replies. :-) --Feldmahler 14:42, 15 February 2009 (EST)

Regarding server speed

Hi all,

Some of you have noticed abysmal speed from the forums and downloads. While the servers in question are not controlled directly by me, I have conducted research into this matter to the extent of my permissions on the server, and the speed issues seem to be the result of a malicious DDoS attack on one of the IMSLP image servers (which incidentally also hosts the forums). I have recommended countermeasures to the administrator of the server in question, and hope that this incident will be resolved quickly.

I do not know the reason behind the attack, nor do I know the offending party (though I do have suspicions, but that's irrelevant anyway). Regardless, this attack does not seem unsurmountable, and should hopefully be resolved soon.

In the meanwhile, if you are one of the users who download from this server (unfortunately you cannot choose which server you download from), the simple way to beat this problem is to be patient. The server will eventually send you the file, though you might need to wait a minute or two.

I apologize for the inconvenience, and please feel free to respond to this message.

--Feldmahler 05:08, 16 February 2009 (EST)

Main Page also took forever this time and some pages just don't load.-- Snailey Yell at me Email me 12:21, 16 February 2009 (EST)
Problem seems to be resolved.-- Snailey Yell at me Email me 11:59, 19 February 2009 (EST)
The Forum worked at lightning speed earlier in the day, but is now inaccesible again -- P.davydov 13:08, 19 February 2009 (EST)
The size of the botnet (web of virus-infested computers) that the person rented to attack IMSLP is most likely around 1000 computers in size (the smallest that I think can be rented, but then again I'm not familiar with the workings of the internet mafia), with approximately 50 computers running at any single point in time. However, realistically speaking the number of computers attacking IMSLP will vary depending on time of day (there is usually a peak around 3-8pm EST), since people will be using their computers the most then. And I would expect that the botnet might not be as stable as the controllers want, so there might be letups from time to time. In any case, I should be able to resolve this issue by the end of February, if the DDoS attack does not stop before then. --Feldmahler 20:27, 19 February 2009 (EST)

Work Template

I just noticed that for typesets, the field still says "scan quality." Can we make this dynamic, like the scanned by/typeset by field?-- Snailey Yell at me Email me 22:59, 20 February 2009 (EST)

Any answers?-- Snailey Yell at me Email me 20:19, 23 February 2009 (EST)
This is a bug, but in light of the present vandalism streak this might have to wait for a while. I believe I investigated this before, but was not able to pinpoint the source of the problem (probably a more hidden bug), so it may not be all that easy to fix. --Feldmahler 21:01, 23 February 2009 (EST)


Hello. I just noticed that the user "InfoPanda" was committing Willy on Wheels style page move vandalism. If they persist you should implement some sort of action throttle. Letsdrinktea 20:12, 21 February 2009 (EST)

12:30–12:56 (Move log)‎ [InfoPanda‎ (129×)]
About one piece of vandalism every fifteen seconds, and I see your talk page isn’t immune either! I’ve linked the Contributions summary for ease of reference. Regards, Philip Legge @ © talk 21:35, 21 February 2009 (EST)
I reversed your talk's move to make this usable. Is there any way to reverse all of them by batch?-- Snailey Yell at me Email me 22:09, 21 February 2009 (EST)
Thanks to PML for getting the ball rolling on corrections.-- Snailey Yell at me Email me 22:12, 21 February 2009 (EST)
Thanks again to PML for corrigating them all! *Round of applause*-- Snailey Yell at me Email me 22:26, 21 February 2009 (EST)
Does anyone know if this is related to the DDOS attack or not?-- Snailey Yell at me Email me 22:32, 21 February 2009 (EST)
Judging by the users actions, the fact that he moves everything to "copyrighted by InfoPanda", which seems to be a reference to copyright issues at this site, he is probably doing it for fun. Also, one piece of vandalism every 15 seconds is relatively slow for this type of vandal. Also someone block him already. And check his IP address to see if its a proxy. Letsdrinktea 22:36, 21 February 2009 (EST)
(* takes a bow *) It took me a while poking around to discover that I had the ability to revert the moves, and then I got into the swing of it! :) Dunno if it's part of the general pattern of attacks on the site. Would have blocked the bugger (a) if I’d been paying attention to IMSLP while I was chowing down on lunch, and (b) if I had sysop rights. (Hint, hint, EWG!) Regards, PML talk 15:11, 22 February 2009 (AEDT)
But why did infopanda stop? That question must be asked, otherwise we could be leaving ourselves wide open. Oh, and PML totally deserves sysop after this. Plus, like I said above, we need more sysops for occasions like this.-- Snailey Yell at me Email me 22:43, 21 February 2009 (EST)
And here I was thinking my typeset of Mozart’s Great Mass deserved a barnstar ;-) Thanks muchly Sir Perlnerd DCLXVI! On a serious note, let’s hope this wasn’t a test for a bot attack I don’t think it was judging by the speed of it. Regards, Philip talk 15:22, 22 February 2009 (AEDT)
And....he's blocked. Yay. Let's hope this isn't a group effort.-- Snailey Yell at me Email me 22:45, 21 February 2009 (EST)
I have dealt with many vandals like him before. He probably stopped because he got bored and saw that no one was on to block him. You do have to repetitively click a buch of buttons after all. Good thing he wasn't using a bot or the whole IMSLP could be under his copyright by now Letsdrinktea 22:47, 21 February 2009 (EST)
And I've just dealt with my first sysop duty: infinite banning and IP blocking a sockpuppet of the InfoPanda who was impudent enough to move my User page, which I rolled back. Check out Recent Changes to see who really has been pwned... Regards, and thanks Feldmahler, PML talk 15:46, 22 February 2009 (AEDT)
I've given PML sysop rights (I've wanted to do this for a while now :-). Regarding the vandalism, it is very likely related to the DDoS attack. It might also not be a random flyby attack, and the titles that the vandal used might be a reference to a(n uncharitable) private e-mail I sent in response to a threat, and I do have a general idea of who is behind this. However, I would like to wait for a bit before I name my suspicions, and to see what else they would like to pull. They seem to think that a wiki is an easy target, ignoring the fact that the same software is used to handle all the vandalisms that Wikipedia itself faces every day.
Thanks PML for handling this situation! :-)--Feldmahler 23:21, 21 February 2009 (EST)
P.S. Bot attacks are actually much easier to handle compared to a manual attack. The wiki itself is a "bot" of sorts, and while a bot attack might seem at first to have far-reaching consequences, it is easy to undo. And it is easy to prevent too. I suppose this all is just a coming-of-age trial for IMSLP. I'd imagine there are far more people who hate Wikipedia, or who are itching for attention. --Feldmahler 23:21, 21 February 2009 (EST)
P.S.2 Now that I reread what I wrote above I think I'm probably oversensitive. Could well be someone who got too bored. :-) But measures to stop further mass vandalism will be implemented very soon. I've wanted to do this ever since the DDoS attack started, but I've moved this to the top on my priority list after this round of vandalism. A new and locked-down IMSLP will be coming shortly to a website near you (well, right here actually). All part of the coming-of-age ritual for wiki and other user-generated content sites :-) At least IMSLP is now great enough that someone would take the time to vandalize and attack it. --Feldmahler 23:35, 21 February 2009 (EST)

Looks like I missed all the fun, next time tell the vandal to come back when I'm not sleeping. FYI, I changed the protection level for all the translations of the Main Page so that they can be only moved by sysops (normally there should be no need to move a Main Page anyway). For now they are still open to editing (except English which we had to lock long ago), let's see how long we can keep it that way. --Leonard Vertighel 06:15, 22 February 2009 (EST)

I just decided to do the same for all sysops' user and talk pages. --Leonard Vertighel 07:12, 22 February 2009 (EST)
Oh, and I still think Hobbypianist should be a sysop - unless you already asked him and he declined. --Leonard Vertighel 07:18, 22 February 2009 (EST)

Beware, these vandals can still perform high speed move vandalism with proxies and tabbed browsing. Even with sysops active. Letsdrinktea 11:11, 22 February 2009 (EST)

Wow. Someone's Persistent. I had to block two more. -- Snailey Yell at me Email me 11:22, 22 February 2009 (EST)
OK, I covered the most important pages. Next come the really popular ones...-- Snailey Yell at me Email me 11:30, 22 February 2009 (EST)
Thanks Perl! I had the suspicion that the vandal would be persistent, especially considering the timing: the vandalism started almost right after the DDoS attack stopped. Someone decided that DDoS wasn't good enough, so now he's reverting to vandalism. I'm already reading up on how Wikipedia deals with vandals, and in a few days there will be tools that allow people to very easily revert vandalism and block the vandal with one click. There will also be anti-vandal bots in the very near future. In the meanwhile, we must not be intimidated by these senseless acts.
Ironically though, it is in the long run much easier to deal with vandalism (it is bound to happen sooner or later) than with DDoS. --Feldmahler 11:32, 22 February 2009 (EST)
Blocked another. I hope someone can clean up most of the mess. I can only get a little bit before moving on to protect more stuff. And act normally. And I have to go soonish.-- Snailey Yell at me Email me 11:34, 22 February 2009 (EST)
Special:Contributions/HobbyViolinist, Special:Contributions/ThePaganini. They're getting smarter, too. -- Snailey Yell at me Email me 11:38, 22 February 2009 (EST)
Don't worry about reverting. Just ban the guy as fast as possible. I'll deal with the rest. --Feldmahler 11:39, 22 February 2009 (EST)
I am so tired of this. How about we just block all new accounts until we can verify their status. I'm going to do this if noone can give me a good reason not to. -- Snailey Yell at me Email me 11:43, 22 February 2009 (EST)
If you can, please do. I didn't know you can though. I'll leave a site-message. --Feldmahler 11:45, 22 February 2009 (EST)
I have to go soon. This is why we need many admins, to cover for each other. Maybe we could create a time-sorted user list?-- Snailey Yell at me Email me 11:47, 22 February 2009 (EST)
Good idea. I will think about it. :-) --Feldmahler 11:49, 22 February 2009 (EST)

I really doubt this is the work of the same person DDoSing the site. These vandalism personalities are usually doing it for their own fun and amusement, which is a totally different thing from criminal DoS attacks. See Letsdrinktea 11:50, 22 February 2009 (EST)

Wow... that profile fits this guy to a tee. --Feldmahler 11:53, 22 February 2009 (EST)
Pity PML's not here. He would love this. And it does exactly. Thanks for you insight!-- Snailey Yell at me Email me 11:54, 22 February 2009 (EST)
Yes, I remember when the real Willy on Wheels was doing the same thing on Wikipedia. Ahhh, good times. Letsdrinktea 11:56, 22 February 2009 (EST)

Sorry for the erroneous blocking Letsdrinktea, my eyes falled only on the 'infopanda' in Letsdrinktea's contribution list and sort of panicked :) Peter talk 12:18, 22 February 2009 (EST)Peter talk 12:11, 22 February 2009 (EST)

Fast method of reverting vandalism: Go to move log, open the revert link for a bunch of the moves in a new tab, click move in each tab and repeat. Letsdrinktea 18:56, 22 February 2009 (EST)

It seems I haven't missed all of the fun, having to sleep occasionally; looks like Willy_on_Wheels, uhh, InfoPanda is still here. I've given him a nice user photo though... hope he likes it! Thanks Mr/Mrs Teadrinker, that's exactly the method I used on 127 of them yesterday. Regards, Philip Legge @ © talk 19:14, 22 February 2009 (EST)

I removed the sitenotice for now, as the past vandalism has all been cleaned up. See also my remark in the mod forum. --Leonard Vertighel 09:09, 23 February 2009 (EST)

Hi Feldmahler, one final thing I've done is to restore the edit history of your user page, which had been obliterated by the means of recovery used. It should be possible to do the same with your user_talk page, however the process was fairly nasty and didn't work exactly as I planned. Do let me know if you want me to give it a try. In the mean time, I'll move the recovered version into your archive space... as archive 17. About 277 changes going back to February last year. Philip Legge @ © talk 20:02/20:18, 23 February 2009 (EST)
Hi PML: Thank you for banning the new vandal. I've discovered that Mediawiki has this rather curious and inexplicable absence of a tool to mass-revert user contributions made by a vandal. But this is a void I intend to fix very soon. I would at this point focus the attention on banning the vandal as fast as possible. Thanks for fixing my pages, and don't worry that some edit history is not directly visible (edit history is generally not used much anyway). --Feldmahler 21:01, 23 February 2009 (EST)
Hi, Is it possible to prevent any moving of pages apart from those with copyright reviewer or sysop status? This character seems to work very fast, making it possible for him to cut a swath of destruction before he's even noticed. Carolus 21:08, 23 February 2009 (EST)
Not sure if that would be a good idea, as it would prevent other contributors from fixing wrong titles. Wikipedians already have various tools (bots) for mass reversion, maybe we could borrow some of those. --Leonard Vertighel 03:06, 24 February 2009 (EST)
Account creation has been temporarily disabled, so that we can deal with both the vandalism streak and the DDoS (which seems to have stopped). I'm moving in favor of some sort of advanced verification (maybe even by an admin) of every account created. At the very least an e-mail verification so that a vandal will need to create a new e-mail for each account.
Regarding bots, I personally think that they might not be as effective as having a special page that admins can use, and which will revert all changes made by a user in one click. Unfortunately no such thing exists right now, so I'm thinking of writing it. However, perhaps there is a reason why Wikipedia does not have such a thing... if you have any better idea, please do feel free to tell me Leonard :-) Also, I'd be glad if you could point me in the direction of good anti-vandalism bots, which I might be running in addition to everything else. --Feldmahler 00:40, 25 February 2009 (EST)

Don't feed the v*nd*l! And check your mail. --Leonard Vertighel 05:20, 25 February 2009 (EST)

How did you fix it? And I sent you a PM-- Snailey Yell at me Email me 17:12, 28 February 2009 (EST)

pages about donations

Hi Feldmahler, am I missing something, or should the page IMSLP:Donations, which is rather hard to reach, be merged into IMSLP:Site support, which is linked from the sidebar? --Leonard Vertighel 09:20, 28 February 2009 (EST)

I linked the two.-- Snailey Yell at me Email me 13:34, 28 February 2009 (EST)

I decided to interpret the lack of objection for consent and merged the two pages into one at IMSLP:Site support. Maybe you should quickly check if all the info is up-to-date when you have a minute. (For easier access, I also grouped it with the other "about"-type pages via the navigation box.) --Leonard Vertighel 09:33, 2 March 2009 (EST)

This is fine. The "Site support" page is a bit outdated, but still worth preserving I suppose (we have no server needs right now, but server donations are always welcome). --Feldmahler 13:00, 4 March 2009 (EST)

tagging system

Hi Feldmahler. As you will be upgrading the tagging system to be filterable by user, could you on your way also have a look at this: previous comments are not saved into a new tag. in the first tagger version the comments stayed, they disappeared somewhere inthe course of the second version of the tagger. Thanks --Peter talk 19:53, 2 March 2009 (EST)

"Will be?"-- Snailey Yell at me Email me 19:58, 2 March 2009 (EST)
Peter: This is actually the intended effect. Previously there was one comment field for the entire tag, but now there is one for each revision of the tag. You can find old comments in the tag history.
I also think that Perlnerd should take the CR exam. I can work on the user filter, but it'd be good I think for Perlnerd to have passed the exam when the filter goes live. --Feldmahler 13:00, 4 March 2009 (EST)
Perlnerd, you heard the man. go studying! --Peter talk 19:49, 4 March 2009 (EST)
If it's not inordinately difficult, I would like to take it ASAP. (if it is....!)-- Snailey Yell at me Email me 20:19, 4 March 2009 (EST)

Speaking of which how does one go about taking this test? How is it administered?-- Snailey Yell at me Email me 20:54, 4 March 2009 (EST)

I'll respond to your pm here so that other people will have the link: . Instructions can be found in the file. :-) Good luck! --Feldmahler 13:37, 5 March 2009 (EST)
I emailed you.-- Snailey Yell at me Email me 20:02, 5 March 2009 (EST)
Snailey passed the test 10/10. He can be officially added to the ranks of the copyright crew. Carolus 23:46, 5 March 2009 (EST)

Daphnis refers you for Sibelius

Daphnis has posted a scan of Sibelius op. 111. The download is blocked and he refers me to you for comments. Can you give me any assistance?


Thank you Principal8 Email me 04 Mar 2009

Due to some technical and legal issues that piece will most likely not be accessible in the near future. It will, however, certainly be accessible at some point, though perhaps months or even years away. --Feldmahler 13:00, 4 March 2009 (EST)
Thanx for the timely reply. "Some technical and legal issues" sounds a little gerneric. What is the reason behind more specifically? Can I help with somthing to make it a little faster than months, years or even decades? --Principal8 11:00, 5 March 2009 (EET)
Unfortunately not. A significant portion of blocked files will be made available in the very near future, but that particular piece would not be available until significant restructuring is done at IMSLP. I understand that the answer may be too generic for your question, but I cannot be specific at this point in time. --Feldmahler 13:37, 5 March 2009 (EST)

Double redirects

Hi Feldmahler. In an idle moment I've started fixing some of the double redirects on the site. It occurred to me that I'd better mention this to you, in case a sudden rush of multiple redirects looked suspicious in the light of recent events. Please rest assured that my intentions are friendly... :-) — P.davydov 17:24, 4 March 2009 (EST)

Don't worry! You're a frequent contributor, and the admins will understand :-) By the way, you were mentioned on the moderation forum (hidden to normal users) as a good potential copyright reviewer, and so perhaps you would be interested in looking at the CR test (see my response to Perlnerd above). Not forcing you to take the test or become a CR of course, just perhaps something you might also be interested in :-) --Feldmahler 13:37, 5 March 2009 (EST)

Thanks, I'll take a look... P.davydov 16:28, 5 March 2009 (EST)


Hi, <!--noautotag--> doesn't work on the composer page (any more)--Peter talk 19:59, 4 March 2009 (EST)

Can you give me an example? The !--noautotag-- functionality is cached for up to 1 day, so any change or addition may take up to 1 day (plus page cache of 3 days) to take effect. Unfortunately I do not think getting rid of the cache is a good idea at this point (too much server load on page rendering without cache, plus that tag is not used all the time). --Feldmahler 13:37, 5 March 2009 (EST)

Category counter?

Hi Feldmahler, would there be a performance issue creating a parser function that takes a category name as its argument and outputs the number of category members (basically a variant of the query used in "includes/SpecialMostlinkedcategories.php")? It would allow us to have a correct work count on the Main Page (currently off by more than .5k), and also to add a composer count and possibly other neat things. --Leonard Vertighel 08:28, 5 March 2009 (EST)

Nice idea... haven't thought of it. Another item in my todo list :-) --Feldmahler 13:37, 5 March 2009 (EST)

File upload

Hi Feldmahler, could you please check out Works for Organ - as far as I can tell, the linked file was never properly submitted, yet it is accessible.

Also, can I suggest (again) removing the "upload file" link from the sidebar? That would make it much less visible, so maybe people would be slightly more motivated to actually read the manual (or at least find the "add a file" link by trial and error). The upload form would still be accessible from Special:Specialpages, and we could also link to it from IMSLP:Composer Template, since uploading composer images seems to be virtually the only use for the generic upload form anyway. Thanks, --Leonard Vertighel 07:38, 6 March 2009 (EST)

What I'm confused about that page is how in the world the person knew what the private URL of the file is. That particular URL that he used should not be available to the general public. Do you have any idea what is causing this?
Also, I haven't checked how to remove the upload file link, so it may take a while with everything else I have to do. If you know, please do tell me. --Feldmahler 03:45, 8 March 2009 (EDT)
Counterquestion: How did you add the admin tools to the toolbox? Can the same method not be used to remove the upload link from it? --Leonard Vertighel 04:19, 8 March 2009 (EDT)
Admin tools are added via a (deprecated actually) hook on the Monobook skin. That hook is specifically for adding stuff after the toolbox, and cannot change the contents of the toolbox. I haven't yet looked at how Mediawiki constructs the toolbox (I don't think it is simply in HTML code, but rather generated in a complex way by PHP, and hence why it can change depending on the page). That's why it may be harder to remove the link than it looks. --Feldmahler 04:34, 8 March 2009 (EDT)
If you're willing to hack skins/MonoBook.php, look for
array('contributions', 'log', 'blockip', 'emailuser', 'upload', 'specialpages')
and remove 'upload', that seems to be sufficient. Don't know about the other skins, but then changing the default one might be sufficient.
No clue about that other issue so far... --Leonard Vertighel 05:16, 8 March 2009 (EDT)

Problematic characters in page titles

Hi again, it seems that the '+' sign is causing similar problems in the page title as the '&'. See for example Category:Handel, George Frideric, letter 'V'. These pages are even harder to access, as one needs to both use the "index.php" URL and manually encode the '+' to '%2B'.

Is there any progress on this issue? Does mod_alias not work as expected? Anything I should try to figure out on my local testwiki? --Leonard Vertighel 08:19, 6 March 2009 (EST)

Here's another one, under Brahms: "Brahms Scherzo for Violin & Piano (WoO2).pdf (Brahms, Johannes)" [sic] — P.davydov 12:40, 7 March 2009 (EST)
... and another: "Szymanowski - Piano Sonata No. 2, op. 21.pdf (Szymanowski, Karol)" — P.davydov 07:34, 8 March 2009 (EDT)
... no to mention:
I think that's the lot! — P.davydov 10:53, 8 March 2009 (EDT)
From what I can see mod_alias should work exactly as expected. It is just the nature of time that prevents me from doing this already ;-) (Attended a day-long conference today, and had tons of other stuff to do the day before.) Will attend to this most likely Monday (first free day), along with a few other items on the list. --Feldmahler 03:45, 8 March 2009 (EDT)
Stupid real life always interfering with my internets ;) --Leonard Vertighel 04:19, 8 March 2009 (EDT)
Hahaha... I sympathize ;-) --Feldmahler 04:34, 8 March 2009 (EDT)


The CPDL has vast repositories of music, as we all know. I'm sure that they would be more than happy to either mirror our choral library or to let us mirror theirs, so would this be a good collaboration to try?-- Snailey Yell at me Email me 07:54, 8 March 2009 (EDT)

Snailey, check this out --Peter talk 16:20, 9 March 2009 (EDT)
So I'd noticed. Perhaps PML can help us then?-- Snailey Yell at me Email me 16:31, 9 March 2009 (EDT)

P.davydov cR

Feldmahler, I got a message from Leonard that User:Davydov was promoted to CR; while you most probably meant User:P.davydov. I took the freedom to change this. --Peter talk 16:20, 9 March 2009 (EDT)

Thanks Peter! It was indeed an error. --Feldmahler 16:54, 9 March 2009 (EDT)

More vandalism

I sent you an email. (And see my talk).-- Snailey Yell at me Email me 22:01, 12 March 2009 (EDT)


Some interesting ideas have been proposed at User_talk:Carolus#VSM-- Snailey Yell at me Email me 13:55, 14 March 2009 (EDT)


'sat mean you already done what you asked me to do? --Leonard Vertighel 15:04, 17 March 2009 (EDT)

Oh, in a fit of energy I decided to go ahead with it last night... I hope you haven't spent much time on it! However, this is also rather basic, so room for improvement abounds (don't throw away your regex if you made one, you will certainly have chance to improve on it once you get the reins). For now it should work, but it is more of a hack than a permanent fixture.
Also, captcha bug should be fixed, and semi-protection enabled. I don't have much time left to program IMSLP, so I thought I'd get things rolling as fast as I can (especially with the impending merger and upgrade). Sorry if you already started working on it! --Feldmahler 15:14, 17 March 2009 (EDT)

Copyright policy

Hi Feldmahler, the ongoing discrepancy between the stated copyright policy (Canadian law) on the Main Page and the Public domain page (and possibly other places) and the de-facto policy (Canadian + US law) keeps causing discontent. Unless things are expected to change very soon, we should finally make the de-facto policy explicit. Thoughts? --Leonard Vertighel 06:49, 28 March 2009 (EDT)

I've wrote that post which will become the basis for notices after the upgrade. The upgrade will also make the inaccessible links inaccessible (as in, no link), while admins will have to download the file via the image page link on the IMSLP index number. Hopefully I'll get to the upload next week (several official business matters keeps me from spending time on this for the next few days). --Feldmahler 18:07, 3 April 2009 (EDT)

user rights

Hi Feldmahler, I think it would be good to change the rights of the "copyrightreview" group to automatically include all the rights of the "Administrator" group. There are several cases where it would be useful. Conversely, I don't think that anyone who is reliable enough to be a CR would abuse the Admin functions, nor is it difficult to learn to use them. As a matter of fact, I'd also ditch the "translator" and "sitedesigner" groups. To summarize my basic idea: everyone who is deemed trustworthy enough should be an Admin. CRs should just have additional rights on top of the Admin rights. Everyone else will ask the Admins for help with functions they cannot access, e.g. translating the interface. --Leonard Vertighel 02:39, 31 March 2009 (EDT)

Let me think about this :-) I'm not against it per se, but merging the groups will effectively take away the possibility of differentiating controls, i.e. it would be a "feature-killer". I don't mind giving CR people admin status, but I think several translators are actually new IMSLP users, so I'm not entirely sure it would be a good idea for that. Also, the focus currently is on IMDBP merger and dealing with the aftermath of that, so group merging will have to wait. --Feldmahler 18:07, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
Maybe I'm the paranoiac in this respect, but I don't think new users should be allowed to alter the interface of the entire site anyway. The vast majority of text is on regular pages anyway (manuals etc.), and for the few mediawiki messages that need to be translated, new users can just post the text to a regular page and have an admin transfer it to the mediawiki namespace (and check in the process that the syntax is OK and won't screw up the interface).
Besides, it's not like admins have very extensive powers anyway. They can delete or lock pages, and block users. I think that anyone who is deemed trustworthy enough to be allowed to tinker with the interface of the whole site, can also be trusted not to delete legitimate content or block legitimate users.
At any rate, the status quo is that there are only 2 users who are translators but not at least CR or Admin. Both of them have been active since 2006 and made hundreds of edits. I wouldn't identify them as "new users". My 0.02€... --Leonard Vertighel 03:31, 4 April 2009 (EDT)
Point taken ;) Still, this would be rather low on the to-do list, since it is rather easy to work around... and I don't really mind giving more bureaucratic powers (in fact, if you want I'd love to give you bureaucrat status, since that way more people can respond quickly to situations without having to go through me). In any case, I think I'll leave this to you when you get control over the code :) --Feldmahler 04:28, 8 April 2009 (EDT)

Category:WorkNonPD-EU and Category:WorkNonPD-USandEU

are nearly empty. Deprecated? Eliminate? Also, is there some other way to find work pages by copyright status? --Leonard Vertighel 08:53, 1 April 2009 (EDT)

Also Category:FileNonPD-EU and several others. Which copyright related categories (if any) are actually in use? --Leonard Vertighel 08:54, 1 April 2009 (EDT)

It is possible to find files by copyright status (copyright tagger page) for copyright reviewers. There will likely be substantial changes to the current copyright notice system, so I would hold off cleaning up the categories until after everything becomes clear. --Feldmahler 18:07, 3 April 2009 (EDT)

...does not work anymore. Since March 2009 there is no way to actualize the "what is new"-list. Can you propose any way to get the almost actualized scores-list? Ahandrich 17:21, 4 April 2009 (EDT)

No way is not true, see forum. use --Peter talk 18:04, 4 April 2009 (EDT)

I also added a "refresh" link, just like Wikipedia :)-- Snailey Yell at me Email me 16:35, 8 April 2009 (EDT)


I noticed that your bot has embarked on a certain project ( I won't mention it here, in case you don't want it known). Is this the "Extended maintenance?" And, if so, should the new entry be written now, or at the project's completion?-- Snailey Yell at me Email me 16:34, 11 April 2009 (EDT)

At completion. It may, however, be nice to change the sitenotice so that people know 1) the "extended maintenance" will last up to 24 hours, and 2) IMSLP may be significantly slow during this time, though completely usable (except for add file functionality on some pages). --Feldmahler 16:38, 11 April 2009 (EDT)
I'll do that as you carefuly watch everything.-- Snailey Yell at me Email me 16:42, 11 April 2009 (EDT)

Incidentally, does IMSLP now have a Japanese Amazon? I saw it in "recordings" and tried to add it to the AmazonLinks template, where you will find it commented out as it doesn't exactly work.-- Snailey Yell at me Email me 17:06, 11 April 2009 (EDT)

IMSLP has a Japanese Amazon contract, but no Astore. --Feldmahler 00:25, 12 April 2009 (EDT)
Ah. Thanks!
Hi, this page Concerto, Op.24 (Webern, Anton) is diplaying oddly. It has the old, deprecated template {{WorkNonPD-USandEU}} just above the "recordings" section, which is not accessible from the edit window. Carolus 00:00, 13 April 2009 (EDT)
That is strange because I do not see any copyright template on that page in my browser. But the maintenance is still ongoing, so I would wait until it finishes before investigating. That particular page has not yet been processed by the maintenance bot. --Feldmahler 00:53, 13 April 2009 (EDT)
The display problem appears to be happening in all the works in this category: Category:WorkNonPD-USandEU. On my Safari browser, the page narrows and a gap appears between the left column and the main part of the workpage. The font size in both the left column and in the tabs across the top of the work-page shrik as well. Carolus 16:40, 13 April 2009 (EDT)
I fixed the bug which was part of the template on the wiki. Everything should work fine after a few days when the cache of the bad pages are refreshed. That template is part of the autotagger, hence why it appears. --Feldmahler 15:18, 14 April 2009 (EDT)
Hi, I think there might be some sort of bug with this page: Vespers, Op.37 (Rachmaninoff, Sergei). It gives me a "fatal error, page name not recognized" message when I attempted to add a file. Carolus 02:49, 15 April 2009 (EDT)
The add file page seems overly picky about whitespace. It was looking for an empty line before the WORK INFO line, and didn't find it, so it said the page was unrecognized. I'll fix this soon. --Feldmahler 03:50, 15 April 2009 (EDT)


You might want to update the IMDBP main page - I can't (not sysop there, I guess) :)-- Snailey Yell at me Email me 12:45, 15 April 2009 (EDT)

Also, before I forget, you should probably make the default Librettist and Language N/A for instrumental works.-- Snailey Yell at me Email me 12:55, 15 April 2009 (EDT)

Autotagger behavior

Hi, I just noticed some bizarre behavior from the autotagger. For Vincent d'Indy's works, the autotagger puts in a Work1923 template for all works published before 1923 - like Cantate Domino, Op.22, and a WorkNotPD1964 template for those published after 1923 - like Le rêve de Cinyras, Op.80. Since he died in 1931, all works first published before 1958 are free in Canada, and all before 1984 are free in the EU (for the most part, at least). I don't know how widespread this is, but I suspect it's not confined to D'Indy. Carolus 00:07, 18 April 2009 (EDT)

Thanks for the report. I will check this; don't worry about using noautotag. --Feldmahler 18:04, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
And fixed (sort of). More info in my post on the bug section of the forums :-) --Feldmahler 18:31, 18 April 2009 (EDT)

I think that may have really been it. Contrary to my previous supposition, it appears that particular problem was indeed confined to D'Indy. Thanks, Carolus 00:06, 19 April 2009 (EDT)