User talk:Fynnjamin


Walter Braithwaite copyright

Dear Fynnjamin, Are you the heir of Walter Braithwaite, or do have written permission from the heirs to post his work here? If not, or if we don't get a response from you very soon, the item you posted will be deleted for copyright violation as his work is not public domain in Canada (or anywhere else). Thanks, Carolus 17:53, 19 May 2009 (EDT) (IMSLP Copyright Admin)
Walter Braithwaite was my great-grandfather, and I own his manuscripts. I own the copyright to his work, and want to share it with a wider audience.
Regards, Fynn Titford-Mock
22:05 GMT, 1 June 2009

Thanks for letting us know! Feel free to post everything you wish. I think we deleted the item you posted previously as we had not received a reply from you. Sorry for the inconvenience, but we really have to be careful about enforcing copyright around here as there are plenty of folks who have no problem with dropping by and posting scores by Leonard Bernstein, Piazolla and other fully protected works. Best Wishes, Carolus 19:24, 1 June 2009 (EDT)

That's fine, I understand! Not used to this great site yet.
More music to come! Fynn

Bishop: Divine Harmony

Hello Fynnjamin, There's no need to delete the page itself. You can simply replace the present file with a new, improved one by clicking on the file-number link, which will take you to the image-page (a page for managing the file itself). From there, just use the "replace file" feature. Thanks, Carolus 16:24, 17 June 2009 (EDT)

Sibley Uploader

I noticed the errors that the Sibley uploader was spitting out when you tried to use it, and I've corrected the problem. It should work as intended now. Sorry for the inconvenience! --Feldmahler 15:08, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Hello, I removed some empty work pages, as we usually do not host pages without scores on them. If you wish to upload scores to those pages, just drop me a note on my talk page and I will restore the pages. Thank you. --Leonard Vertighel 13:44, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Hi again. I just noticed that now the Sibley upload page is spewing out different error messages on the same file. I'm very sorry for this, as I had thought it fixed. I will investigate this further and fix this before the end of the week. It appears to have something to do with a slightly strange convention on the Sibley website that is throwing off the downloader, but should be fixable from IMSLP anyhow. --Feldmahler 01:37, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Internet Archive

Dear Fynnjamin, in some of your recent uploads (here, here and here) the Microsoft logo is present on each page. Before we can release the scores the logos must be removed. If possible please replace the files with cleaned versions. Thanks and Regards, Hobbypianist 17:51, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Danish Royal Library

Hello Fynnjamin, Thanks for uploading so many nice items from this important collection. As a little courtesy to them (they've never complained even a little), please include the link in the scanner field. Just use this: [ Det Kongelige Bibliotek]. Thanks, Carolus 23:09, 4 October 2009 (UTC)


I've just uploaded a load of Telemann from SLUB Dresden, but listed it as from Det Kongelige Bibliotek. Bother. I'll sort it out when I can.

Well, it's a very fine addition regardless of which library it comes from. I'll take care of adding SLUB Dresden what you uploaded, just something to remember next time you bring us some Telemann offerings (which I, for one, certainly appreciate). Thanks, Carolus 01:46, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Score info

Dear Fynnjamin. Thanks for your latest scores from the Dresden Library. Could I ask you to include the following information on future uploads where possible: 1) the number of pages in each PDF file; 2) the publisher and date as shown on the site; 3) the correct URL of the page on the Dresden Library site. Otherwise the copyright reviewers have to chase around finding and checking this information, which can leave the file blocked for longer than it needs to be. Thanks — P.davydov 22:28, 18 October 2009 (UTC)


apologies, I will be more careful with future uploads, and I'll try and correct what I've submitted so far. Sorry. Fynn. 10:08, 19 October 2009

Concerto for 2 Flutes & 2 Oboes in G major (Fasch, Johann Friedrich)‎

Hi Fynnjamin. It's not a good idea to put ampersands (&) in file names, and this has caused the file you just uploaded to become separated from its work page. The only solution is to delete both the faulty page and the file that's become detached (which as an administrator I've been able to do for you). You might like to create another workpage for "Concerto for 2 Flutes and 2 Oboes in G major (Fasch, Johann Friedrich)‎" and try uploading the file again. Sorry for the inconvenience — P.davydov 15:23, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

OK, I apologise I hadn't realised that.

Ludwig Schlösser

You kindly started a composer page for him. He is actually one and the same as the composer detailed in:

The confusion arises because he was often known by the French equivalent of his first name. I tried to update the info myself, but am not enough of an expert on the wiki grammar!

Fixed. I am slightly freaked out by this because they give a link to a VIAF record for him - but when I search for one (as I did before), no relevant results turn up. It makes me wonder how many other 'unknown' composers actually have VIAF records but just don't turn up in searches... KGill talk email 02:06, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Heinrich Pestalozzi

Hi. I'm pretty sure that Pestalozzi is actually this guy, considering that the profile (composer) is a closer match, the work was first published in 1922, and the title page just says 'Heinrich', not 'Johann Heinrich'. They're both Swiss, however. So I guess Sibley just messed up. Cheers, KGill talk email 19:41, 31 March 2010 (UTC)


Hi, as he died less than 50 years ago, his music still can't be allowed on the site (not PD in Canada until 2012). Sorry... KGill talk email 16:54, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Yep just realised. bother.

SLUB template

Hi, and thanks for all these great uploads! I've been changing the link in the Scanner field to the SLUB template (I think this is what you were trying to do); you can do this yourself by putting {{SLUB}} (including curly braces) for the scanner when you submit the file. Cheers, KGill talk email 01:00, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Actually the SLUB template allows one to do a little better than to just use {{SLUB}}. One can use {{SLUB|/ppn1234567}} to get the link to the work page. This really saves a lot of typing! :) --BoccaccioTalk Email 09:16, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
cool - for most of them I have been using a huge long link. this will save time - cheers.
I just discovered that you slightly misused the SLUB template. You do not only have to give the number, but you also have to include the ppn before, so D-Dl is wrong, but D-Dl is correct. --BoccaccioTalk Email 06:09, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
right. silly me - will sort it --Fynnjamin 11:19, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Bruni trios

About the Bruni trios, you note (I think) that the viola part is absent - is there evidence one was ever written? I recall that for many if not most string trios before Mozart's (Vaclav Pichl's being one exception) two violins and bass was the norm, violas not being part of the normal instrumentation of a string trio at the time. Though no date is provided for the Bruni trios, so I don't know that they were written before Pichl's, either? :) Eric 03:15, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Stanford string quintet no.1

There's already an article for that work... :) String_Quintet_No.1,_Op.85_(Stanford,_Charles_Villiers) Eric 01:38, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Latest uploads

Great job! Could you please credit the scanner (yourself?)? Thanks.-- Snailey (_@/) Talk to Me Email me 22:08, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks!-- Snailey (_@/) Talk to Me Email me 22:43, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Opus Numbers (General Information)

I notice that when you upload works, you generally write "Opus #". According to our general information guide, it's best to write "Op.#" (with no space of course). Really small nit-picky thing, but since you're a regular uploader, it's best that you are aware of both the guide and the rule. I must commend you on your instrumentation, though. You follow the formatting almost perfectly. Thanks, BKhon 19:32, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

ok, cheers, will do --Fynnjamin 19:36, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
Also capitalize "Score", so it says "Complete Score". Really nitpicky, though, and hardly worth mentioning. Thanks for your contributions, BKhon 19:37, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
Now I sort of feel bad for criticizing you, but could you please specify whether or not something is major or minor in the general information field, rather than just posting "A" or "D". With kind regards, BKhon 23:00, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
OK, sorry - I will do in future. --Fynnjamin Email me 23:05, 19 September 2010 (UTC)


You can link to pages within IMSLP by using double brackets ("[[ ]]") instead of externally linking using single ("[ ]") brackets. Cheers-- Snailey (_@/) Talk to Me Email me 21:03, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Carey: Psalm 23

Hello Fynnjamin, Are these actually 2 pages from the collection Harmonia Perfecta? If so, go ahead and use the format I inserted into the publisher field (collection title in italics on top line, followed by usual publisher citation below) for cases like these. Of course, if you've already uploaded the collection previously, you can link to as described by Perlnerd above. Thanks, as usual, for all of the interesting historic uploads! Carolus 22:18, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Ah, cheers - it looks neater that way. --Fynnjamin 22:22, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Caro Mio Ben (Giordani, Tommaso)

Dear Fynnjamin. You inadvertently caused a problem when you changed the tag on this work recently, which meant that it was removed from the categorization system. If you believe that a work is incorrectly tagged then please contact a member of the tagging team, as they alone are authorised to change the tags. Thanks — P.davydov 05:48, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Page Numbers

Hi Fynnjamin. I see that you are doing quite a bit of work adding page numbers in the work fields. Unless the automatic page counter (which was recently installed) is incorrect, I wouldn't worry too much about meticulously adding them :-) BKhon 12:36, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Well the automatic counter was not reading it correctly in this case (Boccherini Quintets). File 1 was ?, and the others were listed as 9 or 10 pages, when they actually are around 25 or 22 pages --Fynnjamin 13:53, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Praetorius Musae

Fabulous! Nice work-- Snailey (_@/) Talk to Me Email me 04:00, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Amen! Wonderful addition. Carolus 04:18, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
I agree, though as we are yet to have a Praetorius worklist most of the contents of these colossal collections are currently undocumented. I don’t suppose you have a list in electronic form of the indexes to the Musæ, Polyhymnia, and Syntagma? Regards, and thanks again for these uploads, Philip Legge @ © talk 05:30, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
Thanks everyone - Sadly I don't have a list of contents, but I can make a start on one. --Fynnjamin 11:26, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
Hi Fynnjamin, I suggest it might be best left for someone with access to Grove online or MGG to see if they have something of a list that can be borrowed or adapted for our purposes, rather than you having to start entirely from scratch. (I was going to do something similar, but I didn’t find any on-line lists.) Regards, Philip Legge @ © talk 12:16, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
Philip - I have checked Grove online, but sadly no list. Also, Det Kongelige Bibliothek only has the first 4 volumes (out of 9) - it's going to be a long list. There must be one somewhere though. --Fynnjamin 12:22, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
I knew there wasn’t one in the first edition of the New Grove, but I would have thought one might have been concocted in the intervening quarter century. Rats. Oh, and thanks for uploading the scan of Josquin’s 24-voice quadruple canon. Philip Legge @ © talk 21:13, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Thank you! Does Grove have this summary worklist? I have no access. (Thank you, Mr. Spears):

"Table 1.1. Music publications by Michael Praetorius
Title of publication ---- Volume in collected works[7]

  • Musae Sioniae I (1605) 1
  • Musae Sioniae II (1607) 2
  • Musae Sioniae III (1607) 3
  • Musae Sioniae IV (1607) 4
  • Musae Sioniae V (1607) 5
  • Musarum Sionarum (1607) 10
  • Musae Sioniae VI (1609) 6
  • Musae Sioniae VII (1609) 7
  • Musae Sioniae VIII (1610) 8
  • Musae Sioniae IX (1610) 9
  • Missodia Sionia (1611) 11
  • Hymnodia Sionia (1611) 12
  • Eulogodia Sionia (1611) 13
  • Megalynodia Sionia (1611) 14
  • Terpsichore (1612) 15
  • Urania (1613) 16
  • Litaniae (1613) 20
  • Polyhymnia caduceatrix (1619) 17
  • Polyhymnia exercitatrix (1620) 18
  • Puericinium (1621) 19

[7] Michael Praetorius, Gesamtausgabe der musikalischen Werke von Michael Praetorius, 21 vols., ed. Friedrich Blume (Wolfenbüttel: Kallmeyer, 1928-56)."

With more than 1200 works in the Musae Sioniae alone, a detailed listing here would be a major contribution! Olmsted 04:27, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Yes, a listing of the items in Fynnjamin’s upload is a non-trivial amount of work, which is why I’m not suggesting anyone undertake it from scratch if someone has already done some of the heavy lifting. Philip Legge @ © talk 04:42, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

List of Compositions By Michael Praetorius

An excellent starting point can be found at (scroll down to the bottom of the page). The page numbers or chapter/piece numbers are not listed, however.
See also Olmsted 16:41, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Nice work-- Snailey (_@/) Talk to Me Email me 16:59, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Gleissner symphonies

Good catch re opus 1 - I think I had remembered unusually there being only one work in the set (not so unusually in 1798-1800, ok... between a page that was then visible - not anymore I think - in Wyn Jones' book on Beethoven's Vienna in Google Books, and also de-Wikipedia) but was mistaken. There are several Gleissner opus 1 sets, annoyingly, but the others seem to not be symphonies (choral works, mostly), fortunately :). Some of his music has in fact been recorded, apparently (a symphony and a piano concerto, at the least, noticed it on, by the way. Anyhow, thanks! Eric 14:46, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. Could the DKB parts be the Offenbach:J.Andre edition? Will require some plate number-checking... Interesting that Gombart does not include the Minuet and Trio in No.1. --Fynnjamin 14:55, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
Yes, it looks as though they are Andre's edition (c.1800 according to the plate numbering page) - and look typographically similar to other Andre publications (e.g. Gyrowetz symphonies which I will shortly upload - although my internet connection seems to be suffering from the snow)--Fynnjamin 15:01, 30 November 2010 (UTC)


I've put a load of Faure songs in from Sibley, but in the wrong place, i.e. by making a separate page for each, rather than adding to the Song Opp. pages. darn.


Hi Fynnjamin. Just to let you know that he's been moved to Vranken, Peter Johannes Joseph in accordance with our naming guidelines (I decided to go with the German form of the name). Cheers, KGill talk email 01:16, 18 January 2011 (UTC)]

cheers! --Fynnjamin 11:18, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Marzo mass

In noting the instrumentation of Messe solennelle, Op.19 (Marzo, Eduardo), you wrote "SATB soli, SATB chorus". The score clearly shows a piano or organ part as early as page 1 ??? Eric 02:08, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Nope, wasn't me. I think I just put SATB voices, organ. Someone else edited it. --Fynnjamin 11:18, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Oh- I really need to read page histories more. Many apologies! Eric 13:05, 18 January 2011 (UTC)


Hi Fynnjamin. Just to let you know that he's been moved to Cartellieri, Casimir Anton in accordance with IMSLP's naming guidelines. Cheers, KGill talk email 02:15, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

(Ditto Wodicka, moved to Vodička, Václav.) KGill talk email 02:18, 19 January 2011 (UTC)


Hi Fynnjamin. Just to let you know that he's been moved to Hartmann, P. in accordance with our naming guidelines. Cheers, KGill talk email 01:39, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Ditto Raehs - moved to Ræhs, Martin. Cheers, KGill talk email 21:47, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Hasse 12 Arias

"Per questo dolce amplesso" is from Artaserse as well, cf., e.g., here: --BoccaccioTalk Email 14:31, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

cheers! will sort that out. --Fynnjamin 15:01, 11 February 2011 (UTC)


Great find at DKB for the early Haydn parts issued by Hummel and Sieber - and the actual first edition of Schoepfung! Carolus 23:53, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Thank you! Took a bit of searching back and forth. DKB also has a larger size colour scan of the 1st Schoepfung. --Fynnjamin 00:09, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

Turkish March

Hi Fynnjamin,

This one sort of amazes me. Apparently, the arranger of the Beethoven Turkish March you uploaded from DKB is Alexander Borovsky (1889-1968). As this is clearly an arrangement or adaptation, it would not be free in either the USA (published 1947 with a valid notice), Canada or the EU. Nevertheless, DKB has it available for download! I'm going to tag this N/N/N for now and will e-mail the person at DKB who has been so kind in helping us obtain the Nielsen critical edition. Carolus 06:41, 20 February 2011 (UTC)


Hi Fynnjamin. Please don't modify the 'tags' section of a workpage, as that is reserved for designated members of the categorization project team (who have all had to read a very long manual). If you're considering joining the team, Davydov is the person to ask about it. Thanks, KGill talk email 12:18, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Ooops. Sorry :-S --Fynnjamin 12:20, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Hässler Op.5

Hi Fynnjamin. While doing copyright tagging I noticed that the file you uploaded to that page is in fact an exact duplicate of the one you uploaded to Fantaisie et Sonate, Op.4 (Hässler, Johann Wilhelm). Thanks, KGill talk email 17:10, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for alerting me - now sorted fine. --Fynnjamin 16:34, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Tagging Team

Hi Fynnjamin. Thanks for your email, and we could do with extra help at the moment, so welcome to the team! If there's anything you're uncertain about then don't hesitate to ask on the project discussion pageP.davydov 19:32, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Jewett's National Flutina and Accordion Teacher (Various)

Please be careful when tagging to make sure you include the work type and the instrumentation (and language for vocal works). You missed the instrumentation on this piece — P.davydov 21:13, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Sorry this one slipped through the net. By the way, flutina is not a type of flute, but a freereed instrument with keys, rather like a melodeon or button accordion.
So the language tab is for vocal works only? And presumably for the various Writings too... --Fynnjamin 22:01, 5 April 2011 (UTC)


Hi, please have a look at I'm trying to set up here: IMSLP:Community_Projects/DKB_Project. Cheers − Pierre.chepelov 21:35, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Telemann: Johannes Passion

Hi − IMHO it is not a manuscript because: 1. there are marks of the plate being pressed on the paper, especially on the upper corner of the cover page ; 2. it looks very similar to other self-engraved Telemann scores ; 3. there are a few added numbers that are indeed manuscript and look very different from the regular ones, e.g. 6th system, p.11 of the "vocal score" (strocked 7 / 2, 5 / 2). What do you think? Cheers Pierre.chepelov 08:10, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

That's what I've been thinking - it does bear a resemblance to other Telemann scores, for instance the clefs and time signatures. Also that the pages are numbered so neatly - unusual in MS. But unlike many of Telemann's self-published/self-engraved, stamps do not seem to have been used (e.g. for clefs). And the text is pretty neat and not too difficult to read (once you know how to read Fraktur of course!) - one would expect more evidence of the movement of a pen. So, yes thinking about it, I agree it's likely to be an engraving. (Balthasar Schmid was a publisher anyway I think - although some manuscript copyists wrote the publisher info in their copies). It would be easier to tell with a colour facsimile. Fynnjamin 09:31, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Yes - check other Balthasar Schmid publications (e.g. Goldberg Variations) - the style looks so similar, it must be the same. And yes there do seem to be a couple of figures added in MS - again, a colour facsimile would show this better. --Fynnjamin 09:44, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Indeed! I also noticed that I could read the text without too much headache :-) − The Latin characters on the title page also look similar to those on Schmid's engraving of Bach's Italian concerto. Pierre.chepelov 11:13, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

ok- what I don't get is

why is Quartet for Bassoon and Strings, Op.43, by Georg Abraham Schneider being left as is?... Eric

oops missed that - although it's not as common to find bassoon quartet (which would suggest 4 bassoons) than it is to find flute quartet (which might suggest 4 flutes, but almost always is for flute, violin, viola & cello)... that's my reasoning, maybe I'm wrong. But there was already some Flute Quartets on Schneider's page, so I wanted some consistency, if only in the Flute Quartets. By the way, you don't know how to fix my problem on Telemann's 36 Fantaisies? I've put a request in the discussion page. cheers --Fynnjamin 08:50, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

hmm second thoughts... maybe just undo my moves if you don't like it, I don't mind --Fynnjamin 08:53, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

The Dance Music of Scotland (Various)

Hi Fynnjamin. Do you know whether the Highland Music Trust has explicitly given permission for their engravings to be distributed freely? I couldn't find anything specific about that on their site, though I may have been missing something. Thanks, KGill talk email 23:56, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

I spoke informally to someone involved in the organisation who told me it was fine to upload the free stuff from their website. I actually rang them today while editing things on here, just to re-confirm that this was OK - and yes, it is, they don't appear to have any problem with us using the pdfs they provide for free. They ought perhaps to put a little bit info stating this on their website though. --Fynnjamin 00:01, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
Sounds good! Thanks for your response; it has been released for download now. Cheers, KGill talk email 00:08, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Gellert's Songs and Odes

Hi Fynnjamin, thanks for the correction! Indeed: "Peface" is not a good omen for a translation...--Ralph Theo Misch 21:05, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

hehe indeed. Kein Problem --Fynnjamin 09:36, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

First Performance Date (General Info section)

This field is now being 'read' by the system (a feature which is increasing as we interface with iPad apps, etc.), I understand that we should be entering this info in the following format: YYYY-MM-DD. Since you're such a major contributor, I thought you might like to know. Carolus 19:19, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

OK, thanks --Fynnjamin 20:05, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Aus der Tiefe, Op.30 (Henschel, George)

It would appear that LOC agrees. He must have either composed it while in Germany or with the German text in mind. Thanks! Carolus 01:44, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Nicholds, Fall of Babylon

Hi, Fynnjamin, I'm just checking some tagging. Does your source score say "anthem" anywhere on it? If it doesn't, I'd like to re-tag it "sacred choruses", because that is what is used as a generic if there is nothing taggable in the title. Thanks, Steltz 17:01, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Ah, my mistake; doesn't say anthem in source. Sacred choruses would be better. --Fynnjamin 18:09, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Creative Commons Licenses

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Best Wishes,

Carolus 03:08, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
PS: Since you're adding your own works, I thought you might like to review this.

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Gosh, this is complicated. I might just take down my Compositions while I think about it. How do I do that? --Fynnjamin 12:42, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

I can take them down if you like. I would recommend using the Performance Restricted if you are member of a society like PRS or ASCAP. Otherwise, the non-commercial is useful for keeping the Ebay crazies at bay - so to speak (the folks who rip this site and sell CDs and DVDs of "All the World's Greatest Music Sheets for <instrument>" and the like - which has included works of living composers copied from here in the past (until I made some complaints to Ebay about the issue). Carolus 23:39, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

If you could take them down then, that would be good. I am a member of PRS so I ought to be doing this properly, even though performance restriction is irritating; (is it just that people have to obtain my permission before they can perform it publicly?). I'll upload them in a while as a set, on one page called Hymns. thanks --Fynnjamin 10:31, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

OK, I've taken them all down. I expect PRS will regard all of the CC licenses as ASCAP has in my discussions with them - toxic in a word. What the performance restrictions mean (for the USA - I am not that well-versed on how it works in the UK but expect its quite similar) is that anyone performing your work apart from some very narrow legally-specified exemptions (benefit performances in which everyone involved donates their services, for example) must obtain a license in order to perform the work either live or via broadcast. Most organizations - even non-professional ones - have what is referred to as a "blanket license" for this purpose, which is typically a yearly payment to PRS, ASCAP or a similar agency. The performing organization has to send copies of their programs every year and PRS then pays its members accordingly. For your editions, another thing to keep in mind is that the plain-vanilla Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 has no sort of restriction on commercial use. Thus, if anyone wanted to make copies of your files and sell them on Ebay, they would be perfectly free to do so. If this is not OK with you, I would recommend using the non-commercial version. That means you have to replace your files of course, since you diligently placed the Creative Commons notice on the first page of the items I looked at. Your engraving is very fine, BTW. You should join in on the discussion over at the forum about prospective standards for new typesets. Carolus 06:33, 27 May 2011 (UTC)


Re Gerson, it seems he did publish one string quartet, but I can't seem to work out its key from here at the moment- any idea and any idea if it's one of the 5 manuscript ones? Also, I'm surprised they posted the symphony as it seems to have been published (in that big Garland Publishing series, the symphony in ... ...) in the 1980s (I recall seeing it and the overture on a recent CD I think so hope that there are other factors that do allow us to have it here though. I've heard other items I think were on that CD iirc- Kunzen's G minor symphony, JPE Hartmann's later G minor no.1 - and may have heard Gerson's also... anyhow- thanks much!! and always good to have 5 more quartets to read and for others to play :) ) Eric 00:27, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, there's still more to upload; I've split the files from DKB to give the separate works. So far they have scanned 4 of 5 autograph volumes of Gerson's music, plus the his own autograph catalogue. If one of the MS quartets was published during his lifetime, it's likely that it would be mentioned in his 'Verzeichnis' by the presence of the word 'gedruckt' or something similar (I haven't checked yet). It's very unusual to have a composer who is so meticulous about the dates of composition etc. - a fascinating insight into a lesser-known composer's life. --Fynnjamin 06:44, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

I'm wondering if I ought to give all the pieces their Gerson catalgue number, e.g. 'G.68' - there are several pieces with the same title which would be better distinguished that way. --Fynnjamin 06:49, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! and Hrm. I personally think it’s an excellent notion and that it’s on the whole been a benefit to editors and users of music by composers like Gilchrist (who didn’t create his own catalogue but where Schleifer’s catalogue numbering has been very useful) e.g. - and I tend to think would be so even for (tangentially) a composer like Krommer who did use opus numbers, but for whom the same opus number several times will apply to more than one work (etc. - in his case there’s the Padrta catalogue as listed on Wikipedia.) Anyhow, erm. Bringing ship of mind back around to dock, in my opinion, yes - if not in the titles (a lot of renaming, though perhaps worth it) then at least in the information area for now? Eric 13:59, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Gerson, Duett aus Claudina

Dear Fynnjamin: I've changed the tag on this -- lieder isn't mentioned in the title, and the "aus" designation makes it seem as if it's from something larger anyway. It should just be "duets" for now, and if it turns out that there is a larger work called Claudina von Villa, the page will need to be changed to reflect that. Thanks. Steltz 06:39, 4 June 2011 (UTC)


I think Sibley has it very wrong and really should correct what they have at 1802/14842 - the trios for strings "oeuvre 2me" dedicated to Pugnani, according anyway to the interesting and hopefully fairly reliable worklist at the Italian Viotti Wikipedia page, are actually W. III 1 to 6, not 19 to 24 :) (they give the key sequence there, and it matches those of the trios in the file at Sibley, too, for confirmation.) Eric 23:46, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

tagging symphonic music

Dear Fynnjamin: when you tag symphonic music, please don't tag the individual wind instruments (e.g. Dittersdorf Symphony in C). We only do this when the wind instruments are solo instruments, for example a concerto. The correct tag for this was "orch bc". Thanks, Steltz 07:13, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

eichner, 3 harpsichord sonatas

Dear Fynnjamin: just to let you know that I added an "hpd" tag to this, because the string parts are ad lib, so the sonatas can also be done by harpsichord solo. Steltz 08:56, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Ristori, Cantata a 4 voci

Dear Fynnjamin: just to let you know that I added a "bc" tag to this -- when we tag orchestral works that have continuo, the tag is "orch bc", although this doesn't apply to modern keyboard parts within orchestral works, just proper continuo parts. Steltz 13:56, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Johann Strauss Sr.

My understanding (which could be mistaken) was that all of the waltzes and other dances were originally for orchestra even if they were first published as piano arrangements. Since he was a popular orchestral leader of the day (like his sons), things were normally premiered by the Strauss orchestra under his baton. It's all very difficult to discern exactly of course as the orchestra and piano versions were frequently done at the same time. Carolus 00:56, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Yes I had wondered about this. 'orch' tag? --Fynnjamin 07:51, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Scores vs. Full Scores

I've been using "Full Scores" for the second-level hierarchy to avoid redundancy with the major page division which was re-named "Scores" from "Files" a while back. (I actually preferred the less-specific "Scores" myself, to tell you the truth). Love the RISM links, BTW. Since I'm doing lots of templates lately, perhaps I look over there and see if I can make one for RISM as well. I'm also starting to think we need to add another optional field for "Engraver/Scribe" to the file template as there seem to be a fair number of these folks appearing the editor field lately, another optional "External Links" field might be a good place to add your RISM links. Carolus 04:33, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Yes - good thoughts. --Fynnjamin 22:22, 3 July 2011 (UTC)


Hi Fynnjamin, I noticed that you continued uploading a lot of interesting scores from SLUB recently. Did you find a systematic way to work through their repertoire? Or did you find a list of newly uploaded scores (there still seems to be nor rss feed like on the old page)? --BoccaccioTalk Email 09:23, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

I haven't got a method really for finding the newly uploaded stuff from SLUB Dresden yet, other than trawling through the lot every so often. I seem to remember the old site had also more helpful ways of sorting the list of works. They're still adding more though! --Fynnjamin 22:24, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

I asked via their support form if they plan to reintroduce RSS. After more than a week, I finally got a reply: They have it as a top priority on their agenda and it should be available within 4 weeks. --BoccaccioTalk Email 15:41, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Great, good work! I don't have as much time to spend uploading things any more, probably for several months, so am taking a backseat for a while. --Fynnjamin 16:46, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

RSS feeds now up and running on SLUB website! Huzzah! --Fynnjamin 16:55, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Herder, Huldigungs-Marsch

Hello, I just changed the attribution of the Huldigungs-Marsch, from Johann Gottfried Herder (the famous poet) to Johann Jakob Gottfried von Herder (the later's grandson), and also changed the estimated publication date from ca.1790 to ca.1850, following the HAAB, because:

  • the dedicatee, Grand-Duke Carl Friedrich, reigned from 1828 to 1853, long after the poet's death in 1803 (and his father Carl August did not bear the title of Grand-Duke before 1815)
  • Herder (the composer) was a "Lieutenant" − I don't think Herder (the poet) had a military career.
  • the music sounds, and the engraving looks, more post-1800 than 1790's...

Just say, if you don't mind... Cheers. Pierre Ch. 12:35, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

That's fine - I didn't know about J Jakob G Herder - but yes, it makes sense now. Thanks --Fynnjamin 13:12, 7 July 2011 (UTC)


Hi Fynn,
Just a couple things to keep in mind:

  • Symphonie concertante No.3, Op.34b (Alard, Jean Delphin) - we have a tag 'symphonies concertantes'; please use it rather than both 'symphonies' and 'concertantes' separately.
  • I have noticed that you provide copious alternate tags for some works - like this one, where you tagged it both as a frottola (which it is) and a madrigal (which would, I suppose, be a passable though somewhat inaccurate alternative); or this page, for which you came up with the tags 'studies ; sonatas ; duets', presumably for its contents, but the correct tag is simply 'methods', as that is what the whole work is. Please only either (a) tag according to titles and subtitles, or (b) use the most accurate tag you can come up with (for works which don't have indicative titles).

Thanks, KGill talk email 21:32, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

One other thing: I just noticed that here and on at least one other page, you have tagged individual instruments in an orchestra (for instance, '2hn str') when it is clearly not meant to be a concertante work. This causes the page to be lumped in with works that actually have solo horn (or what have you) parts, which is highly misleading. Please just tag even small orchestras with more than one instrumental group as 'orch' (or 'orch bc', when applicable). Thanks, KGill talk email 02:10, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Caprice or Pot-Pourri on Russian Songs, Op.6 (Nehrlich, Johann Peter Theodor)

I can't tell for sure but was {{AAB}} what was meant? Best! Eric 13:15, 16 July 2011 (UTC) Oh- ok, you did mean HAAB I'm guessing ? - but I don't think we have a template for it yet? (or maybe with different capitalization? hrm. it's not in Category:External library templates, at least... I don't know what it stands for though... one's always learning on this site, or can. all to the good I say...

I meant {AAB}, Anna Amalia Bibliothek, should be correct now --Fynnjamin 13:30, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Re Reinsdorp etc. the best I can seem to find about them just this moment is this Google book brief info - Musik und Migration in Ostmitteleuropa (2005 book, page 403, preview). Active turn of the 19th century, first publisher went by H. Reinsdorp/Rejnsdorp, started in 1787 if I'm reading the German correctly, not sure but the notation in the book may mean that Kaestner joined around 1800 or so, and that the operation lasted until 1812. The book seems pretty sure (though other references from earlier dates are not) that they were indeed based in Moscow. Their source overall is Muzycuk1999. Eric 00:28, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Variations sur une Romance de la composition de Mademoiselle S. de K., No.9 (Ferguson, Ludwig Wilhelm Tepper von) and Variations on a Romance from Mehul's 'Une Folie' (Ferguson, Ludwig Wilhelm Tepper von

Hi, Fynnjamin, just need to let you know that I re-tagged both of these. Variations never get tagged by the type of theme used (it can't really be played separately anyway), so I removed the romances tag. I think the confusion is coming because the subtitle lists the word "Romance" first. However, the "variée" at the end of the line is the deciding factor, and it took me a while to work this out when I started tagging, but it's more a problem of grammatical construction. A "Romance variée" is a "varied Romance", which isn't strictly a Romance, it's a set of variations on the Romance. It's just that with all the explanation in the middle as to where the Romance is from, these titles have to be read as "Romance (from blah-dee-blahh) varied". Thanks, Steltz 08:15, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

2 Sonatas for Piano and Violin, Op.5 (Ferguson, Ludwig Wilhelm Tepper von)

This one needed to be re-tagged as well. Although piano is listed first in the title, the phrase "avec accompagnement d'un Violin obligé" indicates that the violin part is obligatory, i.e. this will never be performed as a piano solo work. Thanks, Steltz 08:22, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Bach Quartets

Uoh, we must have downloaded these at almost the same time. Someone will have to delete one of these two workpages. But, do you have any evidence for Op.10??, The linked list of works has them as Op.8, as has the Hayes Oboe Bibliography--Kalliwoda 09:21, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Well, just went ahead with a redirect (op.10 are the violin sonatas you upladed in march!), let me know if it looks ok - lots of tags, if one wants to include the use of continuo or violoncello as well--Kalliwoda 11:36, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Brescianello Triosonata

SLUB emailed me, that this has been withdrawn for technical revisions to the scan--Kalliwoda 15:43, 25 July 2011 (UTC)


Hallo, laut RISM stammen die beiden Stücke aus der SLUB nicht von Antonin Jiranek, sondern von Frantisek Jiranek.

RISM: Ergebnisse 1–2 von insgesamt 2 für Freie Suche = jiranek (0,14 Sekunden) Jiránek, František Symphonies - C-Dur; strings, bc, ob (3); Abschrift; etc; D-Dl; Mus.4076-N-1 Jiránek, František Concertos - d-Moll; vl, strings, bc; Abschrift; D-Dl; Mus.4076-O-1

Sollte man eine neue Composerseite einrichten und die beiden Kompositionen dahin verschieben? Notenschreiber 05:51, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Ja, gute Idee. Hab ich nicht bemerkt. --Fynnjamin 06:12, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

careful with the term "concertantes" please

Hallo Fynnjamin,

May I suggest that the tagging team review their application of the term concertante - It seems just complete nonsense to tag a work as "concertante" just because one of three original prints uses it as was common practice in Paris around 1790-1810 to add this term to almost any duo, trio, quartet or quintet if it was not an instructional work. The Vanhal quartets have nothing in common with a Sinfonia concertante or the virtuosic Duo concertante of an Ignaz Moscheles for Violin and Piano.

Same with grand by the way... - or would you prefer to rename the Beethoven Septet as "Grand Septuor" and the Wind octet as "Grand Octuor". Of cause, there are a few exceptions where the established modern name includes the word, but this should not be the general rule. The Piano Trio version (Op.38) of the Septet is a nice example of my argument above, because in its only french print by Pleyel it had the title "Grand Trio concertant - surely this would not warrant the classification as a "Concertante" that just happens to be a Piano Trio. --Kalliwoda 11:27, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Heinsius, Symphonies, op.2, and Fränzl Symphonies

Dear Fynnjamin: I noticed you tagged these "orch". Only string parts are uploaded. Is there anything else involved? I listened to some samples of the Heinsius from recordings on Arkiv, and I can only hear strings and continuo. If there is no evidence for wind/timpani, these has to be retagged. Thanks, Steltz 19:16, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Ben Joosen

He was still alive (making recording) in 1976. So, the arrangement you just uploaded has to be moved to the USA server, as it's not free in Canada. It will be blocked until then. Carolus 06:16, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Gerson catalog numbers

Hello Fynnjamin

While adding my new modern edition of Gerson's Capric[c]io for violin and orchestra to IMSLP I noticed that you've included Gerson catalog numbers into the work page titles. I wonder who prepared this catalog. There is no reference to a catalog in the Grove article on the composer nor in the most recent edition of "Dansk biografisk leksikon", now on line accessible as part of "Den store danske encyklopædi" (,_jura_og_politik/Økonomi/Bankier/Georg_Gerson).

The catalog numbers are not the same as those in the "Verzeichnis". Did you prepare the catalog yourself? Please consider adding a reference to the catalog.

BTW - Jens Egeberg, responsible for Royal Library's music digitizing, appreciates your upload of its facsimiles to IMSLP:-)

--Reccmo 09:35, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Hi - the catalogue numbers are actually taken from Gerson's own autograph catalogue, dated 1823, which I've also uploaded here.
He's entered them in order of date of composition (I think there are a few of his last compositions missing off the end), each with a handy incipit. A fascinating piece of work - very neat and orderly, which fits with his career as a banker! But also a bit of a pain to search through if you want to find a particular piece! (although most of the autograph scores are dated).
Ah, I just re-read: you say the numbers are not the same... it's possible I've made a mistake somewhere, but also some pieces are entered twice under different dates for different revisions and versions... If I've made a mistake, please correct it!
Hope this helps
Thanks! --Fynnjamin 10:02, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
The mismatching catalog number I was hinting at is that for the first string quartet (I've started preparing a modern edition). This number is not mismatching. I don't know where I had my eyes. Sorry! --Reccmo 11:44, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Ha! No worries! --Fynnjamin 19:41, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Buxtehude keyboard music

Hi! I just played through the 2 Buxtehude keyboard suites that you transcribed--thanks so much for doing that!! Buxtehude is my favorite composer, and I love playing his music. Do you know of any other sources for his music, especially the keyboard suites, arias, variations, etc? I can't seem to find anywhere where I can buy them. I assume most of them are still in manuscript? Maybe you would be willing to transcribe some more tablature if I bought some facsimiles?? Keep up the good work! A lot of interesting scores that I download here have your name next to the file :) Andrewt 06:06, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Scores from the Internet Archive

Hi Fynnjamin! Thanks for all the hymnals and tune books from the Internet Archive. It's a great resource that does a good job of hiding what they have! I wasn't sure if you were aware of this or not but we have a template for the Internet Archive to go in the scanner field. The usage is {{IArch|the text after "details" in the url}}. This will not only link to the exact item on but will also place the item in Category: Scores from the Internet Archive. Thanks! --Cypressdome 01:16, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Good to know, thanks. I agree, there are a lot of hidden treasures there! --Fynnjamin 10:21, 7 January 2012 (UTC)


"Scores" is redundant, since the level 2 division is already labeled "Scores". I wasn't totally pleased with the change of the level 2 header to "Scores" as the term was useful for the left-most tab in many cases, but the reasons in favor of it being level 2 outweigh the reasons against. Also, it's somewhat nonsensical to have parts and scores assigned to separate tabs with chamber music, especially when there are only two or three separate parts. The tab division is better suited for items where there are at least 4 or 5 different parts, best of all for orchestral and opera parts. Thanks, Carolus 04:17, 12 January 2012 (UTC)


Hi Fynjjamin. I noticed in a few places such as Category:Funk, Joseph you've changed "Nationality=American" to "Nationality=American composers", for example. In fact only the first word is recognised by the system, and "composers" is ignored completely, so it won't make any difference at all. Not worth wasting your time on :-) — P.davydov 12:50, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Ah, ok. I was confused, as with some of them it was still showing the 'composers of unidentified nationality' tag even after I'd edited it. Ta. --Fynnjamin 12:55, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
It takes awhile for that and similar things to disappear unless you use the purge feature ( ?action=purge in the address line). Eric 03:38, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Category Seydler, P

Hrm. I'd suggest Seydler, Philip except that you have him or her dying in 1830, and Philip Seydler, a flutist (same instrument as for the one piece you have under P Seydler), lived from 1764 to 1819. I assume the 1830 is a date and not a circa, since that's how you have it written, but what's your source for it please? Eric 03:36, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

No, I think you're right - Philip Seydler. I meant to put a circa date, but forgot. --Fynnjamin 09:19, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

I'll change it then- thanks. Eric 09:30, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

New Collections feature

Hi, Since you seem to be a major contributor of collections here, I thought you might like to know of a couple of new related features:

  1. For single-composer collections, which now do not have to be split up before uploading (a rule which wasn't very much enforced, admittedly), you simply add the following item to the "General Information" section: |Page Type=Collection . This moves the item from the regular main composer category to the "Collections with: <Composer name>" section. (See Domenico Scarlatti's page).
  2. For multi-composer collections (like the hymn collections you've been uploading lately), there is now a great little template to add the item to the "Collections with: <Composer name>" section of any composer whose work is found in a collection: {{ColCat|Firstname|Lastname}} . The person who assembled (and usually published) a collection should now be listed as Arranger, using the arranger template. {{LinkArr|Firstname|Lastname}}

Best Wishes, Carolus 06:53, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Bertouch copyright,_Georg_von)

Please note that Bertouch's collection of sonatas was first published, not in 1738, but in 2006. There are three exceptions: Sonata No. 9 (first published by Bjarne Volle in 1980); Sonata No. 18 (first published by Magne Elvestrand in 1977); Sonata No. 23 (first published by Bjarne Volle in 1992). See

The information given at IMSLP:Copyright Made Simple would seem to indicate that this music is not in the public domain. However, I am not a lawyer, and I may be wrong. Nevertheless, I will ask A-R Editions for an opinion. Crayon 01:34, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

This is the original manuscript from which the above editions were published, so it ought to be public domain, having been uploaded by DKB. --Fynnjamin 17:29, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
I don't know if the Editio Princeps law as regards manuscripts sees it that way, though. It may only apply to editions based on manuscripts, or it may apply to any publications of manuscripts whatsoever, and I suspect it varies from country to country- which is a problem for an international website (e.g. IMSLP). However I am anything but an expert and for one suggest you ask one of the C-R admins, e.g. Carolus or others... Eric 09:09, 16 March 2012 (EDT)

new composers

if the Wikipedia link you've provided gives the Nationality, please add it to the new composer page you've created? thanks :) Eric 09:04, 16 March 2012 (EDT)